Charlton to boycott Social Media
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McBobbin said:thenewbie said:McBobbin said:For me, peer pressure is going to be important. If your mates challenge your views it's going to be more resonant than if someone from a group you don't like or respect is challenging you. It's more likely to happen in a respectful manner is well than having insults flying about
I'm not proud of it but I would be very surprised if I'm the only one to have been in this particular situation.2 -
PWR.
For something that is intended to be a boycott to make the tech companies think, these clubs/players aren’t half spending a lot of time on social media talking about it....
If these clubs/players really want to make a difference - how about take a full season out? Really make it hurt the social media companies. We know it won’t happen, but all this weekend-break has done is actually make more people take to social media to talk about it....0 -
Chizz said:McBobbin said:thenewbie said:McBobbin said:For me, peer pressure is going to be important. If your mates challenge your views it's going to be more resonant than if someone from a group you don't like or respect is challenging you. It's more likely to happen in a respectful manner is well than having insults flying about
I'm not proud of it but I would be very surprised if I'm the only one to have been in this particular situation.
I let it go. Maybe right, maybe wrong, still friends with the guy and I've not heard him say something equally upsetting/out of line since, so by that logic I was right to think it was an exception not the rule. But making that judgment on someone you know and like is not as easy as just "get new friends then."
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cafctom said:PWR.
For something that is intended to be a boycott to make the tech companies think, these clubs/players aren’t half spending a lot of time on social media talking about it....
If these clubs/players really want to make a difference - how about take a full season out? Really make it hurt the social media companies. We know it won’t happen, but all this weekend-break has done is actually make more people take to social media to talk about it....
That's a good thing, surely?
Maybe, this is the first step, like a warning from the ref. Next is a yellow card, then a red card, then a long ban (maybe that's a full season out)
Yes, the players and clubs are using twitter to talk about it because that raises the issues where it lives and where it will have impacted.
Of course, come 15.01 today there will be a lot of idiots on twitter saying "No PC brigade is going to stop me posting" as if that was ever the point.
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Henry Irving said:cafctom said:PWR.
For something that is intended to be a boycott to make the tech companies think, these clubs/players aren’t half spending a lot of time on social media talking about it....
If these clubs/players really want to make a difference - how about take a full season out? Really make it hurt the social media companies. We know it won’t happen, but all this weekend-break has done is actually make more people take to social media to talk about it....
That's a good thing, surely?
Maybe, this is the first step, like a warning from the ref. Next is a yellow card, then a red card, then a long ban (maybe that's a full season out)
Yes, the players and clubs are using twitter to talk about it because that raises the issues where it lives and where it will have impacted.
Of course, come 15.01 today there will be a lot of idiots on twitter saying "No PC brigade is going to stop me posting" as if that was ever the point.The point I’m trying to get at is that it’s quite ironic that a social media boycott seems to involve everyone going to social media to report on it.Personally I don’t think social media and the way people use it will change until complete anonymity is taken away from every individual who uses it. Then again, I’m not necessarily sure that’s the sort of world I’d want to be part of if it went that way.
Sadly, I don’t think this is an issue that will ever properly be fixed. It has become too big.
But a weekend abstinence is nowhere near a big enough reaction to make any change - whether people are talking about it more or not.0 -
cafctom said:Henry Irving said:cafctom said:PWR.
For something that is intended to be a boycott to make the tech companies think, these clubs/players aren’t half spending a lot of time on social media talking about it....
If these clubs/players really want to make a difference - how about take a full season out? Really make it hurt the social media companies. We know it won’t happen, but all this weekend-break has done is actually make more people take to social media to talk about it....
That's a good thing, surely?
Maybe, this is the first step, like a warning from the ref. Next is a yellow card, then a red card, then a long ban (maybe that's a full season out)
Yes, the players and clubs are using twitter to talk about it because that raises the issues where it lives and where it will have impacted.
Of course, come 15.01 today there will be a lot of idiots on twitter saying "No PC brigade is going to stop me posting" as if that was ever the point.The point I’m trying to get at is that it’s quite ironic that a social media boycott seems to involve everyone going to social media to report on it.Personally I don’t think social media and the way people use it will change until complete anonymity is taken away from every individual who uses it. Then again, I’m not necessarily sure that’s the sort of world I’d want to be part of if it went that way.
Sadly, I don’t think this is an issue that will ever properly be fixed. It has become too big.
But a weekend abstinence is nowhere near a big enough reaction to make any change - whether people are talking about it more or not.
Because it won't solve all the problems immediately (the perfect) doesn't mean clubs shouldn't do something to at least put pressure on the platforms to improve (the good)
From the CAFC OS"Why are we boycotting social media?
Following proposals from EFL clubs earlier this month, Charlton, the EFL and the wider game as a collective wants to demonstrate our collective anger at the constant abuse on social media received by footballers and people in the game, as well as others across the world, which goes without any real-world consequences for perpetrators.
We know that a boycott alone will not eradicate the scourge of online discriminatory abuse, which is why we will continue to take proactive steps to call for change. We will not stop challenging social media companies until we see enough progress.
What change do we want to see?
We are asking for significant action from social media companies, including:
• Apply preventative filtering and blocking measures to stop discriminatory abuse being sent or seen
• Be accountable for safety on platforms and protect users by implementing effective verification
• Ensure real-life consequences for online discriminatory abuse: ban perpetrators, stop account re-registration and support law enforcement
• A warning message to be displayed if a user writes an abusive message and need to enter personal data if they wish to send the message
• Platforms to have robust, reliable and quick measures in place if abusive material is sent or posted
• Transparent quarterly reports on the work social media companies are doing, internally and externally, to eradicate abuse on their platforms
We are also urging the UK Government to ensure its Online Safety Bill will bring in strong legislation to make social media companies more accountable for what happens on their platforms."
I don't see why someone can't retain anonymity on twitter but still have to verify to use it wihout entering some 1984 world. Other users on here don't know who you are but admin do and they have banned people who then got banned again when they tried to rejoin under different names. OK CL is a lot smaller than twitter but it also has a lot less resources in terms of people and money.
I actually think the last line about making the social media companies accountable as publishers, rather than just platforms as they claim to be now, would make a huge difference as the companies would then be legally responsible for the abuse they allow, just like a newspaper is.
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Big Morts is on LBC right now.0
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56940793
Be interesting to see how the Scottish authorities deal with this.0 -
Is it going well?
I don’t know as I don’t use the social media being boycotted.0 - Sponsored links:
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Jeez.
The shame of it.1 -
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Dowden's an unfortunate visitor given his own government's record on abusing people online: https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/kemi-badenoch-nadine-white-twitter-investigation-free-press-b918747.html1
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I wonder who wrote in the social media of the Telegraph describing gay men as ‘tank top bum boys’?
I wonder if such publication would appall Dowden.1 -
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I wonder if racism is an inner city thing ? I grew up in South London in the 70's and at school racism very much existed but from memory the brunt of the vast majority of it were the children who had just arrived from Uganda as part of Idi Amens expulsion policy. I now live in rural North Wales and I can honestly say that my 6 kids and their friendship group are very vocal on their abhorrence of racism in any form. It does make me think back but I really cannot remember racism on a level as it seems today so in general imo I think it has got worse0
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I understand that tackling online abuse extends beyond race. There has been stuff in recent days about abuse received by female football fans, bloggers possibly, that has been misogynistic.
There is also online abuse against others, disabled people, gay people amongst them.
I am glad to hear your children and their friendship groups abhor racism.1