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  • I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays :( I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players

    I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
  • I don't think anyone doubts Selby is a fantastic player, but he is definitely hard to watch sometimes.

    He is one of the best at solving a problem and seeing an angle and yet he takes 2 mins to decide on a shot that, realistically, he probably thought was the best shot after about 2 seconds.

    And there is definitely some gamesmanship involved vs the top quicker players.  Don't blame him necessarily given it helps him win.
  • I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays :( I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players

    I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
    I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.

    He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.

    I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though. 


  • edited May 2021
    I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays :( I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players

    I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
    I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.

    He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.

    I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though. 


    I thought that yesterday - I wonder how the conversation went.

    "Mark got his snooker nickname yet?"
    "Yeah, get this: The Jester from Leicester!"
    "You know he's nothing like a jester?  He's less like a jester than a good 99% of the other players on tour?"
    "Well, yeah, but... I mean... it rhymes...."
  • Imagine Selby v Thorburn. You wouldn’t have to worry about social distancing in the audience, 
  • I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays :( I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players

    I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
    I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.

    He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.

    I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though. 


    When he first got to the final v Higgins in 2007 he used to crack a few jokes and had a great rapport with the fans. That's when he got the nickname. When he started winning more tournaments he dropped the jokes and now it's an ill-fitting moniker.
  • Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
  • Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
    Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
  • Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
    Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
    I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down. 

    Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what :) 

    75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final. 
  • World seniors snooker
    Starting on Thursday, 6 May, the tournament gets underway from the last-16 stage and will conclude with the final on Sunday, 9 May.

    The last-16 full draw:

    Jimmy White v Tony Knowles

    Lee Walker v Darren Morgan

    Igor Figueiredo v John Parrott

    Stephen Hendry v Patsy Fagan

    Michael Judge v Patrick Wallace

    Barry Pinches v Dennis Taylor

    David Lilley v Philip Williams

    Ken Doherty v Joe Johnson

    Full coverage details:

    Thursday, 6 May

    12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app


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  • Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
    Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
    I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down. 

    Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what :) 

    75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final. 
    The dislike of Selby is typical English sour grapes reaction to a serial winner. A winner who is gritty and determined, not especially out to please the crowd, isn't a gurning clown despite being misnamed 'the jester' simply 'cos it rhymes with home city Leicester, a skilled and practised pro who just gets on with his job, makes loads of money and wins lots of trophies. What's not to like ? .. probably that he isn't a right good, very 'umble loser.
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
  • Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
    Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
    I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down. 

    Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what :) 

    75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final. 
    The dislike of Selby is typical English sour grapes reaction to a serial winner. A winner who is gritty and determined, not especially out to please the crowd, isn't a gurning clown despite being misnamed 'the jester' simply 'cos it rhymes with home city Leicester, a skilled and practised pro who just gets on with his job, makes loads of money and wins lots of trophies. What's not to like ? .. probably that he isn't a right good, very 'umble loser.
    I don't think it's many disliking him exactly, just commenting he's a bit boring to watch.

    It's the difference between watching a team who play good attacking football and a team who defend and try to nick a 1-0.  Up to them, it gets results, but it's also fine for people to admit they prefer watching the attacking team's games.
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
    Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.

    Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
    I think 'Jester' is just a nickname that rhymes with Leicester.  Nothing to do with his bubbly, outgoing personality!! 
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
    Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.

    Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
    Whilst Paulies post seems to have taken it personal, because he is a big fan. His point remains, his nickname originated from his personality and off the table demeanor, yes it rhymes with Leicester but that wasnt the sole reason lol 

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, i think Lincs actually summed it up perfect. There is a similar player in the pool community who has won alot and still young and he gets as much stick as Selby (Liam Dunster) he is slow, methodical and will often play tactical to give himself a better chance. I enjoy seeing different styles combat and if they are winning then thats all that matters, although its supposed to be entertaining (loosely) it doesn't pay the bills if you dont get results, just look how Trump reigned it in and learnt to play more tactical.
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
    More to the point, he used to crack jokes to the crowd and that's how he got the name. Off the table it would seem that he is still the same and I reckon he will make a great commentator when he retires. 

    John Virgo was a miserable git on the table and then he started doing his impressions of other players and got the job on the game show with that Charlton fan.
  • Results
    Lee Walker 2-3 Darren Morgan
    Stephen Hendry 3-0 Patsy Fagan
    Michael Judge 2-3 Patrick Wallace
    David Lilley 3-1 Philip Williams

    Full coverage details:

    Friday, 7 May

    12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app

  • clive said:
    Results
    Lee Walker 2-3 Darren Morgan
    Stephen Hendry 3-0 Patsy Fagan
    Michael Judge 2-3 Patrick Wallace
    David Lilley 3-1 Philip Williams

    Full coverage details:

    Friday, 7 May

    12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app

    Did anyone watch this? What was the standard like, in previous years it was bit hard to watch, but Hendry getting some kind of form and Lee Walker who plays a few events. Paulie did post about the highlight for Philip Williams was who he was coached by lol 
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
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  • Followed by a repeated documentary about Alex Higgins. 
  • watching the oldies .. the once immaculate Tony Knowles looked like he'd been sleeping rough for a few weeks
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
    A fascinating watch - a great record of how the game has changed. You forget what a wreck Higgins was.
  • Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.


    How many of you know him personally?
    How many of you see him behind the scenes?

    Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.

    So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.

    But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
    Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.

    Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
    You mean it's not a reference to his intestinal problems?
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
    A fascinating watch - a great record of how the game has changed. You forget what a wreck Higgins was.
    without the bravado and the natural skill he kinda reminds me of me. wish I had the bravado and the natural skill though. 
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
    A fascinating watch - a great record of how the game has changed. You forget what a wreck Higgins was.
    without the bravado and the natural skill he kinda reminds me of me. wish I had the bravado and the natural skill though. 
    One of my favourite sportsmen of all time- loved watching him play but he was always on edge.

    Saw him play as a kid in Manchester back in the 70s - never seen anything like it.

    Totally self destructive like George Best.
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
    Thank you i might have to catch up if on bbc player. 
  • Quick heads up if you haven't noticed it is on but tonight is a start of a three part series on the Gods of Snooker. BBC 2 9pm. 

    From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary. 
    Thank you i might have to catch up if on bbc player. 
    I watched the whole series on Iplayer - it's an excellent watch.
  • The players on tour for next season

    The 64 who finished in the top 64 last season 

    1-Judd Trump
    2-Mark Selby
    3-Ronnie O'Sullivan
    4-Neil Robertson
    5-Shaun Murphy
    6-Kyren Wilson
    7-John Higgins
    8-Ding Junhui
    9-Stephen Maguire
    10-Yan Bingtao
    11-Mark Williams
    12-Mark Allen
    13-Barry Hawkins
    14-Jack Lisowski
    15-Stuart Bingham
    16-Anthony McGill
    17-Zhou Yuelong
    18-Graeme Dott
    19-Thepchaiya Un-Nooh
    20-Joe Perry
    21-Kurt Maflin
    22-Tom Ford
    23-David Gilbert
    24-Ali Carter
    25-Martin Gould
    26-Zhao Xintong
    27-Liang Wenbo
    28-Ryan Day
    29-Xiao Guodong
    30-Matthew Selt
    31-Michael Holt
    32-Ricky Walden
    33-Gary Wilson
    34-Scott Donaldson
    35-Lu Ning
    36-Matthew Stevens
    37-Robert Milkins
    38-Li Hang
    39-Luca Brecel
    40-Jordan Brown
    41-Hossein Vafaei
    42-Mark Joyce
    43-Liam Highfield
    44-Noppon Saengkham
    45-Alexander Ursenbacher
    46-Ben Woollaston
    47-Stuart Carrington
    48-Martin O'Donnell
    49-Mark Davis
    50-Sam Craigie
    51-Elliot Slessor
    52-Mark King
    53-Lyu Haotian
    54-Anthony Hamilton
    55-Jamie Jones
    56-Andrew Higginson
    57-Sunny Akani
    58-Tian Pengfei
    59-David Grace
    60-Chris Wakelin
    61-Dominic Dale
    62-Joe O'Connor
    63-Jimmy Robertson
    64-Nigel Bond

    The 27 players who are on the 2nd year of their 2 year tour card

    65-Jak Jones
    66-Pang Junxu
    67-Jamie Clarke
    68-Robbie Williams 
    69-Steven Hallworth 
    70-Ashley Carty
    71-Simon Lichtenberg 
    72-Oliver Lines
    73-Zhao Jianbo 
    74-Ken Doherty 
    75-Gao Yang
    76-Fergal O'Brien 
    77-Rory McLeod 
    78-Allan Taylor 
    79-Aaron Hill
    80-Lukas Kleckers 
    81-Ashley Hugill 
    82-Peter Devlin
    83-Jamie Wilson
    84-Ben Hancorn 
    85-Lee Walker 
    86-Fan Zhengyi
    87-Zak Surety 
    88-Stephen Hendry 
    89-Farakh Ajaib
    90-Iulian Boiko 
    91-Sean Maddocks 

    Next we have the 8 highest players on the 1 year list 

    92-Chang Bingyu 
    93-Igor Figueiredo 
    94-Xu Si
    95-Louis Heathcote 
    96-Chen Zifan
    97-Jamie O'Neil 
    98-Andy Hicks
    99-Gerard Greene 

    Following that we have the 4 players who qualified via the Chinese qualifying events

    100-Wu Yize
    101-Zhang Jiankang
    102-Cao Yupeng
    103-Zhang Anda

    Following that you have the 4 Invitational cards

    2 from the Womans tour
    104-Reanne Evans 
    105-Ng On-Yee

    2 from the Mens tour
    106-Jimmy White
    107-Marco Fu

    Following that is a deferred tour card from last year Following illness

    108-Andrew Pagett

    Then we have the Q School Winners

    Event 1
    109-Peter Lines
    110-Fraser Patrick
    111-Jackson Page
    112-Yuan Sijun 

    Event 2
    113-Barry Pinches 
    114-Craig Steadman
    115-Micheal Judge
    116-Alfie Burden

    Event 3
    117-Ian Burns
    118-Lei Peifan 
    119-Dean Young
    120-Duane Jones

    Q School Top 2 order of Merit
    121-Hammad Miah
    122-Mitchell Mann

    Unfortunately this left world snooker in a tough position the tour normally had 128 players they only had 122 the event that normally filled they other 6 slots couldnt be played due to covid, so to make this up as a one of World Snooker offered the next 6 on the Q School order of merit a 1 year top up card, guaranteeing they will be able to enter every event(baring the home nations events as the empty slots will be filled by the local governing body choosing their own amateur players(which again is brilliant)

    So these lucky 6 are.

    123-Sanderson Lam
    124- Michael Georgiou
    125-Si Jiahui 
    126-Soheil Vahedi 
    127-Micheal White
    128-David Lilley
  • edited July 2021
    So there we have it the 128 players who will be competing on this years world snooker tour.


    A lot has been made of The women but personally i am looking forward to seeing how Cao Yupeng does.

    He was always someone i expected to win titles, and he was so close in that Scottish open final against Neil Robertson.

    But obviously he was banned for 30 months for match fixing which ended in November and managed to get straight back on tour, will also be interesting to see how fans respond to him.
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