I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players
I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
I don't think anyone doubts Selby is a fantastic player, but he is definitely hard to watch sometimes.
He is one of the best at solving a problem and seeing an angle and yet he takes 2 mins to decide on a shot that, realistically, he probably thought was the best shot after about 2 seconds.
And there is definitely some gamesmanship involved vs the top quicker players. Don't blame him necessarily given it helps him win.
I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players
I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.
He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.
I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though.
I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players
I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.
He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.
I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though.
I thought that yesterday - I wonder how the conversation went.
"Mark got his snooker nickname yet?" "Yeah, get this: The Jester from Leicester!" "You know he's nothing like a jester? He's less like a jester than a good 99% of the other players on tour?" "Well, yeah, but... I mean... it rhymes...."
I missed alot of the final, also Saturdays I did see the final 4/5 frames Selby v Murphy, as much as i dislike Smurf fairplay he showed some proper battling qualities, 17-13 down Selby just hit a century and went back to back with his own and nearly got back to 17-16, quality clearance from Selby at the end. Massive respect to both players
I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
I agree. Think it's just become one of those confirmation bias things, where people notice Selby taking his time over a shot, or re-chalking his cue 4 times before playing a simple safety shot, where they don't look for it in others.
He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.
I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though.
When he first got to the final v Higgins in 2007 he used to crack a few jokes and had a great rapport with the fans. That's when he got the nickname. When he started winning more tournaments he dropped the jokes and now it's an ill-fitting moniker.
Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down.
Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what
75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final.
World seniors snooker Starting on Thursday, 6 May, the tournament gets underway from the last-16 stage and will conclude with the final on Sunday, 9 May.
The last-16 full draw:
Jimmy White v Tony Knowles
Lee Walker v Darren Morgan
Igor Figueiredo v John Parrott
Stephen Hendry v Patsy Fagan
Michael Judge v Patrick Wallace
Barry Pinches v Dennis Taylor
David Lilley v Philip Williams
Ken Doherty v Joe Johnson
Full coverage details:
Thursday, 6 May
12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app
Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down.
Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what
75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final.
The dislike of Selby is typical English sour grapes reaction to a serial winner. A winner who is gritty and determined, not especially out to please the crowd, isn't a gurning clown despite being misnamed 'the jester' simply 'cos it rhymes with home city Leicester, a skilled and practised pro who just gets on with his job, makes loads of money and wins lots of trophies. What's not to like ? .. probably that he isn't a right good, very 'umble loser.
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
Also in the first three rounds Selby played quite quickly and was very fluent. He can score heavily as well as being the best tactician.
Playing slowly to annoy your opponent isn't tactics, it's gamesmanship, and him being warned for slow play shows the officials know it isn't, too.
I dont really agree with this again, For most of the final him and Murphy were actually the same AST (Average shot time), just checked and it finished 4 seconds different. 24.6 for Murphy, 28.2 for Selby. That is probably his slowest of the tournament but when you take into the fact its the final of the biggest event in snooker. Yes i am aware he was warned by the ref at some point, however i do not think its gamesmanship its just how it is. When he is flowing he isn't as hard to watch (subjective), when it gets a bit tricky or he isn't quite on it he will slow down.
Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what
75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final.
The dislike of Selby is typical English sour grapes reaction to a serial winner. A winner who is gritty and determined, not especially out to please the crowd, isn't a gurning clown despite being misnamed 'the jester' simply 'cos it rhymes with home city Leicester, a skilled and practised pro who just gets on with his job, makes loads of money and wins lots of trophies. What's not to like ? .. probably that he isn't a right good, very 'umble loser.
I don't think it's many disliking him exactly, just commenting he's a bit boring to watch.
It's the difference between watching a team who play good attacking football and a team who defend and try to nick a 1-0. Up to them, it gets results, but it's also fine for people to admit they prefer watching the attacking team's games.
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.
Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
I think 'Jester' is just a nickname that rhymes with Leicester. Nothing to do with his bubbly, outgoing personality!!
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.
Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
Whilst Paulies post seems to have taken it personal, because he is a big fan. His point remains, his nickname originated from his personality and off the table demeanor, yes it rhymes with Leicester but that wasnt the sole reason lol
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, i think Lincs actually summed it up perfect. There is a similar player in the pool community who has won alot and still young and he gets as much stick as Selby (Liam Dunster) he is slow, methodical and will often play tactical to give himself a better chance. I enjoy seeing different styles combat and if they are winning then thats all that matters, although its supposed to be entertaining (loosely) it doesn't pay the bills if you dont get results, just look how Trump reigned it in and learnt to play more tactical.
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
More to the point, he used to crack jokes to the crowd and that's how he got the name. Off the table it would seem that he is still the same and I reckon he will make a great commentator when he retires.
John Virgo was a miserable git on the table and then he started doing his impressions of other players and got the job on the game show with that Charlton fan.
Results Lee Walker 2-3 Darren Morgan Stephen Hendry 3-0 Patsy Fagan Michael Judge 2-3 Patrick Wallace David Lilley 3-1 Philip Williams
Full coverage details:
Friday, 7 May
12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app
Did anyone watch this? What was the standard like, in previous years it was bit hard to watch, but Hendry getting some kind of form and Lee Walker who plays a few events. Paulie did post about the highlight for Philip Williams was who he was coached by lol
Im not posting much anymore but have seen about 4/5 people comment about The Jester nickname and need to clear this up to avoid further confusion.
How many of you know him personally? How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
Come off it, it's a stage nickname as it rhymes with Leicester, nothing else.
Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
You mean it's not a reference to his intestinal problems?
Event 3 117-Ian Burns 118-Lei Peifan 119-Dean Young 120-Duane Jones
Q School Top 2 order of Merit 121-Hammad Miah 122-Mitchell Mann
Unfortunately this left world snooker in a tough position the tour normally had 128 players they only had 122 the event that normally filled they other 6 slots couldnt be played due to covid, so to make this up as a one of World Snooker offered the next 6 on the Q School order of merit a 1 year top up card, guaranteeing they will be able to enter every event(baring the home nations events as the empty slots will be filled by the local governing body choosing their own amateur players(which again is brilliant)
So these lucky 6 are.
123-Sanderson Lam 124- Michael Georgiou 125-Si Jiahui 126-Soheil Vahedi 127-Micheal White 128-David Lilley
So there we have it the 128 players who will be competing on this years world snooker tour.
A lot has been made of The women but personally i am looking forward to seeing how Cao Yupeng does.
He was always someone i expected to win titles, and he was so close in that Scottish open final against Neil Robertson.
But obviously he was banned for 30 months for match fixing which ended in November and managed to get straight back on tour, will also be interesting to see how fans respond to him.
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I know Selby gets alot of stick, but 4 world titles, he might sometimes be tougher to watch than ROS/Trump/Robbo, although i do think its exaggerated, he is just pure class. I dont think there is any gamesmanship involved, its just how he plays and he finds a way to win whether making tons or through pure grit and tactical play. Should be mentioned along the greats imo, far too much unwarranted stick.
He is one of the best at solving a problem and seeing an angle and yet he takes 2 mins to decide on a shot that, realistically, he probably thought was the best shot after about 2 seconds.
And there is definitely some gamesmanship involved vs the top quicker players. Don't blame him necessarily given it helps him win.
He's never going to be the sort of player to take on the sort of shots others might, or make a century in 5 minutes. That's just not his game. But he is a very, very good player. He's a Matty Holland where the crowd are baying for a Claus Jensen.
I do have to chuckle when the MC introduces the Jester From Leicester and out walks one of the most dour looking blokes on the planet though.
"Mark got his snooker nickname yet?"
"Yeah, get this: The Jester from Leicester!"
"You know he's nothing like a jester? He's less like a jester than a good 99% of the other players on tour?"
"Well, yeah, but... I mean... it rhymes...."
Like he isn't as slow as people think. although seems it as he sometimes does take a while over the odd shot. Regardless he is a winner, so even if he was deemed slow so what
75/120 on tour for Average shot time, normal is 24.65, Murphys 22.79 so both around a couple seconds more in the final.
Starting on Thursday, 6 May, the tournament gets underway from the last-16 stage and will conclude with the final on Sunday, 9 May.
The last-16 full draw:
Jimmy White v Tony Knowles
Lee Walker v Darren Morgan
Igor Figueiredo v John Parrott
Stephen Hendry v Patsy Fagan
Michael Judge v Patrick Wallace
Barry Pinches v Dennis Taylor
David Lilley v Philip Williams
Ken Doherty v Joe Johnson
Full coverage details:
Thursday, 6 May
12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app
How many of you know him personally?
How many of you see him behind the scenes?
Just because on the table he concentrates on what he needs to do(and that by the way has won him 4 world titles in the last 8 years) and doesn't laugh and joke around the table you think its a stupid nickname.
So many pros and other people around the circuit have said off the table he is one of the funniest people around hence the nickname.
But when he has a match on he knows he needs to be in match mode and is fully focused on what he needs to do
It's the difference between watching a team who play good attacking football and a team who defend and try to nick a 1-0. Up to them, it gets results, but it's also fine for people to admit they prefer watching the attacking team's games.
Same as Neil Robertson bring the Thunder from Down Under.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, i think Lincs actually summed it up perfect. There is a similar player in the pool community who has won alot and still young and he gets as much stick as Selby (Liam Dunster) he is slow, methodical and will often play tactical to give himself a better chance. I enjoy seeing different styles combat and if they are winning then thats all that matters, although its supposed to be entertaining (loosely) it doesn't pay the bills if you dont get results, just look how Trump reigned it in and learnt to play more tactical.
John Virgo was a miserable git on the table and then he started doing his impressions of other players and got the job on the game show with that Charlton fan.
Lee Walker 2-3 Darren Morgan
Stephen Hendry 3-0 Patsy Fagan
Michael Judge 2-3 Patrick Wallace
David Lilley 3-1 Philip Williams
Full coverage details:
Friday, 7 May
12:00-16:00 & 19:00-23:00 - BBC Red Button, BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website & app
From what i have read it sounds like it should be really good documentary.
Saw him play as a kid in Manchester back in the 70s - never seen anything like it.
Totally self destructive like George Best.
The 64 who finished in the top 64 last season
1-Judd Trump
2-Mark Selby
3-Ronnie O'Sullivan
4-Neil Robertson
5-Shaun Murphy
6-Kyren Wilson
7-John Higgins
8-Ding Junhui
9-Stephen Maguire
10-Yan Bingtao
11-Mark Williams
12-Mark Allen
13-Barry Hawkins
14-Jack Lisowski
15-Stuart Bingham
16-Anthony McGill
17-Zhou Yuelong
18-Graeme Dott
19-Thepchaiya Un-Nooh
20-Joe Perry
21-Kurt Maflin
22-Tom Ford
23-David Gilbert
24-Ali Carter
25-Martin Gould
26-Zhao Xintong
27-Liang Wenbo
28-Ryan Day
29-Xiao Guodong
30-Matthew Selt
31-Michael Holt
32-Ricky Walden
33-Gary Wilson
34-Scott Donaldson
35-Lu Ning
36-Matthew Stevens
37-Robert Milkins
38-Li Hang
39-Luca Brecel
40-Jordan Brown
41-Hossein Vafaei
42-Mark Joyce
43-Liam Highfield
44-Noppon Saengkham
45-Alexander Ursenbacher
46-Ben Woollaston
47-Stuart Carrington
48-Martin O'Donnell
49-Mark Davis
50-Sam Craigie
51-Elliot Slessor
52-Mark King
53-Lyu Haotian
54-Anthony Hamilton
55-Jamie Jones
56-Andrew Higginson
57-Sunny Akani
58-Tian Pengfei
59-David Grace
60-Chris Wakelin
61-Dominic Dale
62-Joe O'Connor
63-Jimmy Robertson
64-Nigel Bond
The 27 players who are on the 2nd year of their 2 year tour card
65-Jak Jones
66-Pang Junxu
67-Jamie Clarke
68-Robbie Williams
69-Steven Hallworth
70-Ashley Carty
71-Simon Lichtenberg
72-Oliver Lines
73-Zhao Jianbo
74-Ken Doherty
75-Gao Yang
76-Fergal O'Brien
77-Rory McLeod
78-Allan Taylor
79-Aaron Hill
80-Lukas Kleckers
81-Ashley Hugill
82-Peter Devlin
83-Jamie Wilson
84-Ben Hancorn
85-Lee Walker
86-Fan Zhengyi
87-Zak Surety
88-Stephen Hendry
89-Farakh Ajaib
90-Iulian Boiko
91-Sean Maddocks
Next we have the 8 highest players on the 1 year list
92-Chang Bingyu
93-Igor Figueiredo
94-Xu Si
95-Louis Heathcote
96-Chen Zifan
97-Jamie O'Neil
98-Andy Hicks
99-Gerard Greene
Following that we have the 4 players who qualified via the Chinese qualifying events
100-Wu Yize
101-Zhang Jiankang
102-Cao Yupeng
103-Zhang Anda
Following that you have the 4 Invitational cards
2 from the Womans tour
104-Reanne Evans
105-Ng On-Yee
2 from the Mens tour
106-Jimmy White
107-Marco Fu
Following that is a deferred tour card from last year Following illness
108-Andrew Pagett
Then we have the Q School Winners
Event 1
109-Peter Lines
110-Fraser Patrick
111-Jackson Page
112-Yuan Sijun
Event 2
113-Barry Pinches
114-Craig Steadman
115-Micheal Judge
116-Alfie Burden
Event 3
117-Ian Burns
118-Lei Peifan
119-Dean Young
120-Duane Jones
Q School Top 2 order of Merit
121-Hammad Miah
122-Mitchell Mann
Unfortunately this left world snooker in a tough position the tour normally had 128 players they only had 122 the event that normally filled they other 6 slots couldnt be played due to covid, so to make this up as a one of World Snooker offered the next 6 on the Q School order of merit a 1 year top up card, guaranteeing they will be able to enter every event(baring the home nations events as the empty slots will be filled by the local governing body choosing their own amateur players(which again is brilliant)
So these lucky 6 are.
123-Sanderson Lam
124- Michael Georgiou
125-Si Jiahui
126-Soheil Vahedi
127-Micheal White
128-David Lilley
A lot has been made of The women but personally i am looking forward to seeing how Cao Yupeng does.
He was always someone i expected to win titles, and he was so close in that Scottish open final against Neil Robertson.
But obviously he was banned for 30 months for match fixing which ended in November and managed to get straight back on tour, will also be interesting to see how fans respond to him.