Its weird because I'd been led to believe that the approval was for the vaccine - effectively its formula and that it should make a difference where it is produced. I wonder if this is the EMA being weird about AZ again given that for the last 20 odd years something like 65% of all vaccines have been produced in india so it would be weird to suddenly get an issue with it now. India has all of the biggest vaccine production facilities in the world.
I suspect it is just the EU being awkward again. There doesn't appear to be any concern about the effectiveness just that it hasn't been registered with the EMA (yet).
Various countries, including Germany (surprisingly?) and Spain indicating they will still accept it. The EU's vaccine programme leaves a lot to be desired so combined with Brexit, there's a lot of political grandstanding
I’m staggered by those figures. I have no idea why this is so poor. Care home staff are poorly paid and there are a lot of immigrant workers filling those caring roles. We know that uptake of vaccine is lower among some ethnic groups but I wasn’t aware that young Eastern European workers who fill many of the care jobs were vaccine sceptic. This really needs to be addressed. Or is there another reason ?
There may be lots of reasons. One is the age of care home staff, 65% of whom are in their forties or younger. Across England, the graph above shows that 2 in 4 care homes have at least 80% of staff fully vaccinated and at least 90% of residents fully vaccinated. That's probably not very far from the average across the wider population, where 'only' (I use that word with care) 63% of the adult population is fully vaccinated.
In the wider population, where there is a higher percentage of older people, it's always likely that there will be more fully vaccinated than in a work environment. And that disparity will be wider in occupations with a high percentage of younger workers (as in care homes).
The 60% of care homes which fall outside this category will comprise three types of care home. 1 where fewer than 4 in 5 staff have been fully vaccinated. 2 where fewer than 9 in 10 residents have been vaccinated. And 3 where both of these conditions exist.
So, in categories 2 and 3, simply vaccinating more care home staff will not make a difference to whether a care home moves into this arbitrary 'protected' class. That's a long-winded way of saying that it doesn't matter how many staff are jabbed if more than 10% of the residents are not jabbed - by this measure, the home remains 'unprotected'.
It would be interesting to see how may residents are 'protected' by this measure. That is, how many care home residents are included in the 40%. Because, in many cases, a home may never be able to reach the target simply because some of the residents can't be jabbed. For example, any home with fewer than 10 residents will fail to be 'protected' if just one of their residents is unable (or unwilling) to be jabbed. In these cases, it doesn't matter who the care home staff are, what age they are, or where they come from: that home can't be 'protected'.
Maybe the graph would be much more helpful if it were split in two, to show the proportion of homes where 80%+ of the staff are fully vaccinated and, separately, where 90%+ of the residents are fully vaccinated.
My son caught it watching the football outside in a Bournemouth pub with some friends. His uni mate told him he was positive and my son did the test and he too was positive.
Was his mate at the pub already knowing he was positive?
Booking information: Walk-in, no appointment needed
Further information: This clinic is for anyone age 18 and over. The Pfizer and Astrazeneca vaccines are available at this clinic.
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
Booking information: Walk-in, no appointment needed.
Further information: This clinic is for anyone age 18 and over. The Pfizer vaccine is available at this clinic.
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
Dates and times Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Walk-in, no appointment needed. First doses or second doses after 8-week interval if aged over 40, 12 weeks if under 40. A booked appointment clinic will be running at the same time. No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
Checked this morning and I didn't have it from those batch numbers. I would be seriously pissed off if I had.
This is just the EU directive, member states can accept people with indian vacine if they wish. the irony is the EU have been sending Indian made vacines to Africa.
Dates and times Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Walk-in, no appointment needed. First doses or second doses after 8-week interval if aged over 40, 12 weeks if under 40. A booked appointment clinic will be running at the same time. No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
Booking information: no booking required, this is a walk-in clinic offering first and second doses.
Further information: Pfizer vaccine only. You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.”
As it's Pfizer, the initial clinical trials were doing the second dose after 4 weeks, so if you're beyond that point then it might be worth giving it a go if you're not having to go too far out of your way.
Finally had my first jab this morning. It was Sinopharm. My hand (surprisingly not my arm) felt a little numb twenty minutes after I had the vaccine. I was a bit worried but thankfully the numbing feeling went away gradually. Now 10 hours later I feel a bit tired. All is fine. I'm told I'll have to wait at least 21 days for my second jab.
Nice one, @jessie. How are things in the Middle Kingdom now re covid?
Just got back from the QE where Junior had his first jab Because he faints for any injection he was put on a bed with a drink and biscuits and monitored for 15 minutes afterwards.
In an update to its green book advice for public health professionals on Thursday, Public Health England said a gap of at least eight weeks should be used - with the main exception being for those about to commence immunosuppressive treatment.
An NHS spokesperson said: "Every site should vaccinate in line with clinical guidance, which says second doses should take place between eight and 12 weeks after the first."
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.
Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.
Cheers. So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point. So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives. I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.
Cheers. So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point. So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives. I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
One of the key parameters that determine the herd immunity number is the reproduction rate. With the alpha (Kent) and delta variants each increasing that number by approx 50% the herd immunity target has significantly increased.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.
Cheers. So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point. So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives. I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
Being vaccinated doesn't provide complete immunity. A vaccinated person can become infected and pass it on. But vaccinated people (and previously infected people) have higher levels of immunity and are less likely to catch it and to pass it on.
So, in any population, the more people that are vaccinated, the higher the levels of herd immunity. But 100% vaccination does not mean 0% infection.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
It varies depending on the virus. For some viruses it's below fifty percent, for others it's eighty or ninety percent.
Cheers. So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point. So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives. I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
Being vaccinated doesn't provide complete immunity. A vaccinated person can become infected and pass it on. But vaccinated people (and previously infected people) have higher levels of immunity and are less likely to catch it and to pass it on.
So, in any population, the more people that are vaccinated, the higher the levels of herd immunity. But 100% vaccination does not mean 0% infection.
No I fully understand that. But once you have had both jabs even though you can catch it and pass it on the symptoms should be very mild. Not having to go to hospital or need a ventilator so therefore the NHS should not get put under any more pressure that it can cope with.
Had second AZ yesterday and absolutely no side effects so far.
Just been told by my mates down in Andalusia that they are now using the single dose Janssen vaccine for the latest batch of vaccinations locally. Certainly going to speed things up.
Had second AZ yesterday and absolutely no side effects so far.
Just been told by my mates down in Andalusia that they are now using the single dose Janssen vaccine for the latest batch of vaccinations locally. Certainly going to speed things up.
At what point does herd immunity kick in ? We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks. So at what point will herd immunity kick in. Anyone know
Re herd immunity, the problem here is that virtually nobody under 18 has had the vaccine and the kids all mix at school, and are often asymptomatic... It spreads like wildfire until all kids either have had it or are vaccinated. If the kids get it there's a chance it will spread to parents etc.
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Various countries, including Germany (surprisingly?) and Spain indicating they will still accept it. The EU's vaccine programme leaves a lot to be desired so combined with Brexit, there's a lot of political grandstanding
In the wider population, where there is a higher percentage of older people, it's always likely that there will be more fully vaccinated than in a work environment. And that disparity will be wider in occupations with a high percentage of younger workers (as in care homes).
The 60% of care homes which fall outside this category will comprise three types of care home. 1 where fewer than 4 in 5 staff have been fully vaccinated. 2 where fewer than 9 in 10 residents have been vaccinated. And 3 where both of these conditions exist.
So, in categories 2 and 3, simply vaccinating more care home staff will not make a difference to whether a care home moves into this arbitrary 'protected' class. That's a long-winded way of saying that it doesn't matter how many staff are jabbed if more than 10% of the residents are not jabbed - by this measure, the home remains 'unprotected'.
It would be interesting to see how may residents are 'protected' by this measure. That is, how many care home residents are included in the 40%. Because, in many cases, a home may never be able to reach the target simply because some of the residents can't be jabbed. For example, any home with fewer than 10 residents will fail to be 'protected' if just one of their residents is unable (or unwilling) to be jabbed. In these cases, it doesn't matter who the care home staff are, what age they are, or where they come from: that home can't be 'protected'.
Maybe the graph would be much more helpful if it were split in two, to show the proportion of homes where 80%+ of the staff are fully vaccinated and, separately, where 90%+ of the residents are fully vaccinated.
Luckily I have zero plans to travel abroad until all this uncertainty ends.
Guy’s Hospital
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
St Thomas’ Hospital
Second doses are available for people age 40 and older who had their first dose at least eight weeks ago, and for people under 40 who had their first dose 12 weeks ago.
You do not need proof of address, immigration status, ID or an NHS number.
Montgomery Hall, Kennington
- Dates and times
- Walk-in, no appointment needed. First doses or second doses after 8-week interval if aged over 40, 12 weeks if under 40. A booked appointment clinic will be running at the same time.
https://selondonccg.nhs.uk/what-we-do/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/pop-up-clinics/Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca
Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
This is just the EU directive, member states can accept people with indian vacine if they wish. the irony is the EU have been sending Indian made vacines to Africa.
Concerns that millions of Britons who have received Indian-made jabs could be restricted from travel in the European Union have been downplayed.
The bloc's passport scheme does not recognise doses of the AstraZeneca jab produced by the Serum Institute of India - known as Covishield.
India is seeking emergency authorisation from Europe for the Covishield jab, according to sources.
Several European countries have already approved the Covishield jab for travel. These include Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Greece, Ireland, Spain, Iceland and Switzerland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57695835
Think it was being run/supported by the Charlton Community trust as there were lots of staff members wearing Charlton shirts.
Montgomery Hall, Kennington
Friday 2 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 3 July, 9am to 5pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 4 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over- Astrazeneca
Monday 5 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 6 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 7 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 8 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 9 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 10 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Sunday 11 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 12 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Tuesday 13 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Wednesday 14 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Thursday 15 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Friday 16 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Saturday 17 July, 9am to 5pm – Ages 18 and over – Pfizer
Sunday 18 July, 12 to 8pm- Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
Monday 19 July, 12 to 8pm – Ages 40 and over – Astrazeneca
No proof of address, NHS number or immigration status required.
Because he faints for any injection he was put on a bed with a drink and biscuits and monitored for 15 minutes afterwards.
Excellent from start to finish.
Jab gap advice
NHS England said national guidance has been clarified amid anecdotal reports that some people have been offered a second dose as early as four weeks after their first jab.
In an update to its green book advice for public health professionals on Thursday, Public Health England said a gap of at least eight weeks should be used - with the main exception being for those about to commence immunosuppressive treatment.
An NHS spokesperson said: "Every site should vaccinate in line with clinical guidance, which says second doses should take place between eight and 12 weeks after the first."
Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
People who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 not only risk their own health but are "variant factories," an infectious disease expert told CNN.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," he added.
Variants evolve in the body of a person who is infected with the coronavirus.
When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road," Schaffner said.
Viruses, including the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, endure mutations, and while some mutations may harm the virus, others could help it. For example, a mutation could help a virus be more transmissible.
When the virus spreads to another person, the mutation will replicate and also spread, and if it's successful and continues to spread, it becomes a variant.
Unvaccinated people provide the opportunity for the mutation to continue to replicate, CNN reported.
We now have over 45 million with the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will surely catch up in the coming weeks.
So at what point will herd immunity kick in.
Anyone know
So I believe about 85% Have had the 1st jab and the 2nd jab will catch up at some point.
So we could have herd immunity by the time winter arrives.
I think this is a positive or am I missing something.
So, in any population, the more people that are vaccinated, the higher the levels of herd immunity. But 100% vaccination does not mean 0% infection.
But once you have had both jabs even though you can catch it and pass it on the symptoms should be very mild.
Not having to go to hospital or need a ventilator so therefore the NHS should not get put under any more pressure that it can cope with.