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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    bobmunro said:
    So a hard working jockey like Hollie Doyle that rides around 3 times a day all year round, earns about £100 per race plus any winnings?
    She's wins a fair bit of prize money!

    The top jockeys are on stable/owner retainers as well as winnings and earn fortunes. The average journeyman/woman jockey earns a living, no more.
    I’d imagine the AW has been a lifesaver for quite a few flat jockeys then?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Irish Oaks, €232,000 to the winner 8 runners 5 from Coolmore who get the first 4 past the post.. farcical
  • More bad news stories regarding the racing industry this morning. I wonder if horse racing will still be around in 20 years time. 
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57881979

    Panorama on BBC1 tonight at 8.30
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Elliott involved again, fat wrongen.
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    Absolutely sickening.
    The IHRB in particular but also the BHA have to get their fucking act together and start policing the sport far, far better - in line with the wishes (demands in fact) of the majority of those who love and support the sport.
    This is totally and utterly unacceptable.



  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    Does anyone know of an online resource to historic racing results?
    Looking to go back to a meeting at Stratford in January 1970 and I presume it’s horses as a quick google says Stratford dogs had closed by then.

  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423

    Or if anyone can tell me how these got on. 
    It was my better half’s grandads last bet (that we have come across whilst going through some keepsakes). He collapsed outside the bookies and died very soon after. We think it was New Year’s Day 1970.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975

    Or if anyone can tell me how these got on. 
    It was my better half’s grandads last bet (that we have come across whilst going through some keepsakes). He collapsed outside the bookies and died very soon after. We think it was New Year’s Day 1970.
    Try this, think you can get a free trial.

    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    If you do the exact search:
    "spanish town" "red rally" "ease" "cherubini"
    with all the quote marks etc on the site Gary posted it gives 9 newspaper entry results - including one for New Years Day 1970

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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    Thanks all.
    will take a look later.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
    Or it could have been a lost slip that he completed a copy of to claim a void but never got round to claiming it - or it's a hand-written receipt from the bookmaker and he did get his money back (there's no till stamp).

    Either way, Charles Webb would have been taken over by one of the big boys many, many moons ago and the chances of a record still existing are remote in the extreme.
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    bobmunro said:
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
    Or it could have been a lost slip that he completed a copy of to claim a void but never got round to claiming it - or it's a hand-written receipt from the bookmaker and he did get his money back (there's no till stamp).

    Either way, Charles Webb would have been taken over by one of the big boys many, many moons ago and the chances of a record still existing are remote in the extreme.
    Just want to trace the results out of curiosity as it would’ve been his last bet.
    the shop is now a Ladbrokes and my earliest recollection is that is was a E Coombes bookie. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    bobmunro said:
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
    Or it could have been a lost slip that he completed a copy of to claim a void but never got round to claiming it - or it's a hand-written receipt from the bookmaker and he did get his money back (there's no till stamp).

    Either way, Charles Webb would have been taken over by one of the big boys many, many moons ago and the chances of a record still existing are remote in the extreme.
    Just want to trace the results out of curiosity as it would’ve been his last bet.
    the shop is now a Ladbrokes and my earliest recollection is that is was a E Coombes bookie. 
    It was 31 December 1969 race card.

    Cherubina won the 2.30 at 8/11 and the last three races including the 4.30 were abandoned.

    Return £1.73 or £1 14s 7d
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,223
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    bobmunro said:
    bobmunro said:
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
    Or it could have been a lost slip that he completed a copy of to claim a void but never got round to claiming it - or it's a hand-written receipt from the bookmaker and he did get his money back (there's no till stamp).

    Either way, Charles Webb would have been taken over by one of the big boys many, many moons ago and the chances of a record still existing are remote in the extreme.
    Just want to trace the results out of curiosity as it would’ve been his last bet.
    the shop is now a Ladbrokes and my earliest recollection is that is was a E Coombes bookie. 
    It was 31 December 1969 race card.

    Cherubina won the 2.30 at 8/11 and the last three races including the 4.30 were abandoned.

    Return £1.73 or £1 14s 7d
    Nice work.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    iaitch said:
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
    Someone had an off day at Weatherby's!
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    iaitch said:
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
    Thats worse than when Mary Hinge got through. 
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,223
    Not sure if that race is on ITV tomorrow but would love it to be in the frame.
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  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,223
    iaitch said:
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
    Thats worse than when Mary Hinge got through. 
    Commentary. Captainhughjampton is pressing Mary Hinge, he's going to get up.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    Can’t see anything other than it winning by a length.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Is it a flat race?

    Could be some problems if it's NH. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,842
    Addickted said:
    Is it a flat race?

    Could be some problems if it's NH. 
    The first steeplechaser to pole vault the fences? 
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    bobmunro said:
    bobmunro said:
    I think this might be a struggle. Also, there is an indication at the bottom of the slip that there was a return of his stake i.e. the race meeting might have been abandoned and he had just got his money back although I would have thought that this slip would have been retained by the Bookmaker had this been the case.
    Or it could have been a lost slip that he completed a copy of to claim a void but never got round to claiming it - or it's a hand-written receipt from the bookmaker and he did get his money back (there's no till stamp).

    Either way, Charles Webb would have been taken over by one of the big boys many, many moons ago and the chances of a record still existing are remote in the extreme.
    Just want to trace the results out of curiosity as it would’ve been his last bet.
    the shop is now a Ladbrokes and my earliest recollection is that is was a E Coombes bookie. 
    It was 31 December 1969 race card.

    Cherubina won the 2.30 at 8/11 and the last three races including the 4.30 were abandoned.

    Return £1.73 or £1 14s 7d
    Many thanks Bob.
    the family were always under the impression he had just placed the bet but seems he may have been going in to collect when he collapsed.
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,186
    2121 said:
    Albury, how much does it cost to keep a horse training and racing? With exception of purchase price… 
    I've got a few horses with Anthony Honeyball and his monthly charge is £1800.
    Also had some with Olly Murphy and his charges ranged from £2200-£2800 a month. 
    Not much then! Hope they do well!
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,076
    iaitch said:
    iaitch said:
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
    Thats worse than when Mary Hinge got through. 
    Commentary. Captainhughjampton is pressing Mary Hinge, he's going to get up.
    Finishing with a late spurt.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,609
    iaitch said:
    iaitch said:
    15.50 at York tomorrow Captainhughjampton makes his debut.
    Thats worse than when Mary Hinge got through. 
    Commentary. Captainhughjampton is pressing Mary Hinge, he's going to get up.
    Finishing with a late spurt.
    Last time out, didn’t go the full distance due to unseating the rider.
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    edited July 2021
    Simon Munir and Isaac Souede remove their horses from Elliott after Panorama's revelation about the shameful end of Vyta Du Roc's life.
    Regrettable they didn't follow Cheveley Park's example earlier in the year but better late than never. 
    Every other owner with Elliott should be seriously searching their conscience (yes I know that by definition excludes the O'Learys) and following suit. Taking the bastard down for good is the only example to set to begin to put the sport on the right path as regards protecting the welfare and dignity of the real heroes (regardless of their race record) of our sport and if the authorities don't have the balls or integrity to do it, the owners must.
  • PeanutsMolloy
    PeanutsMolloy Posts: 6,705
    edited August 2021
    In my opinion, this is the true picture of the response of connections of horses that sadly suffer serious injury or illness - the horse's welfare is front and centre of everything they do.
    From my experience as an owner of 5 NH horses trained under 5 different trainers, Gill Boanas is thankfully representative of the majority who are directly in charge of their care.
    But there are some seriously bad apples in the minority and they need to be put out of our sport forthwith.  
    RIP Oliver's Betty

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/heartbreaking-end-for-mare-whose-trainer-slept-in-her-stable-to-nurse-her/503613