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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

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  • Sleepy hollow or great excitement guaranteed with this thread. Either way never dull.
  • Cloudworm said:


    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...
    So secret we signed Clare for a fee  :o
    Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?
  • JamesSeed said:
    I know loans are often confirmed at the last minute, but I’m assuming the club will know that specific loans are likely, barring last minute interest from ‘bigger’ clubs?
    So if we know it’s probable we’ll be getting excellent loanees at left back and CB, then the club are less likely to be signing ones, which would leave fans feeling we’re weak in those areas right up to the last minute. 
    That’s a dangerous game if things don’t work out the way you hoped. 
    No doubt we’ll have a few options for each position so I’m not worried we won’t get anyone. Just hope we can avoid the Smith/Smyth/Levitt type loans that weren’t quite up to it.
  • Cloudworm said:
    Cloudworm said:


    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...
    So secret we signed Clare for a fee  :o
    Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?
    Thought they were both free
  • mendonca said:
    Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
    We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together. 

    #5yearplan
  • Redhenry said:
    Cloudworm said:
    Cloudworm said:


    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...
    So secret we signed Clare for a fee  :o
    Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?
    Thought they were both free
    Both were undisclosed fees
  • Cloudworm said:
    mendonca said:
    Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
    We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together. 

    #5yearplan
    So would every club … but you can’t force players and agents to make their minds up … our business as been excellent compared to others in league one .. lot of money spent despite the loses the club had to cope with   … over all very decent window so far and more to come before September  
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  • Cloudworm said:
    mendonca said:
    Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
    We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together. 

    #5yearplan
    So would every club … but you can’t force players and agents to make their minds up … our business as been excellent compared to others in league one .. lot of money spent despite the loses the club had to cope with   … over all very decent window so far and more to come before September  
    Really? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not demanding we spend millions, and there's plenty of quality players available out there for free, but we've still not spent much. Only paid for Clare and Stockley, I can't imagine it's more than 500k up front with a few add ons. 
  • Redhenry said:
    Cloudworm said:
    Cloudworm said:


    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...
    So secret we signed Clare for a fee  :o
    Didn’t we pay for Gilbey and/or Washington under the last umbongo?
    Thought they were both free
    Washington was a small fee 150,000 Gilbey was around 300,000.. was mentioned at the time 
  • edited July 2021
    We’ve still got 4 loan spots to fill and those will come later in the window. I think we’re going to have an interesting deadline day, but the final squad will probably be put together pretty late 
    Hmmm. Thought I remember at the end of April the club saying that being in the mix for the play offs was not helping our plans for the summer as we didnt know what league we might be in next season. That issue was all sorted on May 7th.
  • edited July 2021
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

  • Oggy Red said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




    It was also pointed out to him that whilst young players maybe good enough technically, they may struggle physically and mentally with the requirements of League One football over the course of a gruelling season. But like usual, he ignored that and played the victim instead.  
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  • MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.

  • Charlton have signed MK Dons midfielder Alex Gilbey and Hearts striker Conor Washington for undisclosed fees.
  • MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.
  • Cloudworm said:
    mendonca said:
    Why would we be under an embargo? You've seen the recent accounts and the fact embargos are now public. Or is it as simple as not signing >6 players by now = means to create harmful gossip!
    We’re not under an umbongo. I’m just saying, it’s a bit slow, isn’t it? Would like to have done a bit more business by now so they get a good pre-season together. 

    #5yearplan
    I’m assuming you didn’t read the post by cafc43v3r (I think), explaining why the market generally (not just Charlton related) is slow?
  • MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    My maths must be letting me down then, please subtract the Bonne and Purrington fees from the 275K Bowyer spent and let me know how much the combined fee for Washington and Gilbey was then?
    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/too-good-to-refuse-lee-bowyer-tells-us-why-charlton-athletic-allowed-macauley-bonnes-qpr-move/
  • MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    The club also claimed they received a fee for Lepoint but he was on the FAs released list.

    I expect in this case Cawley is right and using the term undisclosed was agreed between the clubs despite us paying nothing. It doesn’t look good for the selling club it they admit to their fans they gave a decent player away for free.

    I also really can’t see how either version of ESI were funding transfers at the time worth almost half a million (going off the figures you claimed to be be the fees).
  • Dazzler21 said:
    MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.
    Why go to the effort of saying undisclosed fee if there's not fee at all?
    Transfermarkt usually have a '?' for undisclosed fees, Washington has '?' but Gilbey has £198k - they must have that figure from somewhere I'd assume.
  • edited July 2021
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    I'm not panicking......but I'm hoping that everyone agrees that we bloody well should be in a better position now than we were first game last season & so the lack of follow through from all the rhetoric that had been spouted from TS & NA is puzzling. 

    Remember, it's not us fans saying that we should "blow through this league" or " that will be us lifting the trophy next season"
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