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  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,751
    Vfrf said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.
    Why go to the effort of saying undisclosed fee if there's not fee at all?
    Transfermarkt usually have a '?' for undisclosed fees, Washington has '?' but Gilbey has £198k - they must have that figure from somewhere I'd assume.
    Presumably because if you are the selling club......you may not want it widely known that you are letting your players go for gratis?
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,390
    That wouldn't make any sense, correct me if I am wrong but when we signed Gilbey was he not still under contract with MK Dons? Surely they wouldn't let their POTY go on a free?
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,212
    golfaddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    We’ve still got 4 loan spots to fill and those will come later in the window. I think we’re going to have an interesting deadline day, but the final squad will probably be put together pretty late 
    Hmmm. Thought I remember at the end of April the club saying that being in the mix for the play offs was not helping our plans for the summer as we didnt know what league we might be in next season. That issue was all sorted on May 7th.
    Eh? Knowing what we’re planning on doing isn’t the same as getting it done quickly. Knowing what league we’re in allows us to define our targets based on our budget. The fact we stayed down means that we’ll have to sign players accordingly, which in this window’s market means more loans as we don’t have as much money to chuck about. Loans often get done late as other clubs finalise their squads, and this has been a window of brinksmanship. We’re still waiting for it to properly start all over the leagues 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RonnieMoore said:

    Charlton have signed MK Dons midfielder Alex Gilbey and Hearts striker Conor Washington for undisclosed fees.
    You quoted a fee on the last page, make your mind up. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,422
    Vfrf said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    MattF said:
    There were no fees paid for Gilbey and Washington 

    From CAFC themselves 
    The striker joins the Addicks for an undisclosed fee and in doing so becomes Lee Bowyer’s second signing of the summer transfer window following the arrival of Alex Gilbey on Wednesday.
    No fee was disclosed can also mean no fee was transferred between clubs.
    Why go to the effort of saying undisclosed fee if there's not fee at all?
    Transfermarkt usually have a '?' for undisclosed fees, Washington has '?' but Gilbey has £198k - they must have that figure from somewhere I'd assume.
    Club probably didn't want it known they were letting players go for free?
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,999
    edited July 2021
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    Of course you're not comparing like for like. The reason we started last season with the team you mentioned is because we couldn't BUY any players & the wage cap meant teams were working on very tight budgets. We lost quite a few players last summer (like we have this summer) & they needed to be replaced - but they weren't until TS took over & then we saw a late flurry in September just before the transfer window shut. 

    I'm not knocking TS at all, just making sure you dont re-write history.
    Who’s re-writing history? You’re the one bringing up irrelevant points about embargoes.

    BR7 is saying the starting XI we have at the moment is better than the starting XI from the opening game last season. Would you agree?

    And bringing up ‘flurry of transfers in September’ also means you agree that we have plenty of time left to strengthen the squad?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,422
    Braziliance said:
    That wouldn't make any sense, correct me if I am wrong but when we signed Gilbey was he not still under contract with MK Dons? Surely they wouldn't let their POTY go on a free?
    £200k as being quoted is also peanuts for a player of the year.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,636
    no rumours then?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,422
    lancashire lad said:
    no rumours then?
    technically rumours Gilbey and Wash were free, while other rumours suggest fees were paid. 
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,904
    RonnieMoore said:

    Charlton have signed MK Dons midfielder Alex Gilbey and Hearts striker Conor Washington for undisclosed fees.
    What, again?

    Nothing on the OS yet.

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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Be gobsmacked if we got them, particularly Gilbey, for free. Cawley's comment no doubt come from Bowyer, and without meaning to dig Bows out, the context was about how little we'd spent, so suited him to miss those out. No way do Mk Dons let their player of the year leave on a free. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,693
    ValleyGary said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    Of course you're not comparing like for like. The reason we started last season with the team you mentioned is because we couldn't BUY any players & the wage cap meant teams were working on very tight budgets. We lost quite a few players last summer (like we have this summer) & they needed to be replaced - but they weren't until TS took over & then we saw a late flurry in September just before the transfer window shut. 

    I'm not knocking TS at all, just making sure you dont re-write history.
    Who’s re-writing history? You’re the one bringing up irrelevant points about embargoes.

    BR7 is saying the starting XI we have at the moment is better than the starting XI from the opening game last season. Would you agree?

    And bringing up ‘flurry of transfers in September’ also means you agree that we have plenty of time left to strengthen the squad?
    This will be my last post on this.

    Of course I agree that the team that starts against Sheff W will be better than the one that started at Crewe. But that stands to reason for the points I made in my previous post. It's hardly rocket science is it. 

    I'll leave it there as the thread is getting sidetracked......and I said I'd be posting less as I seem to rub people up the wrong way for making what seems to be a logical arguement.


  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,999
    edited July 2021
    golfaddick said:
    ValleyGary said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    Of course you're not comparing like for like. The reason we started last season with the team you mentioned is because we couldn't BUY any players & the wage cap meant teams were working on very tight budgets. We lost quite a few players last summer (like we have this summer) & they needed to be replaced - but they weren't until TS took over & then we saw a late flurry in September just before the transfer window shut. 

    I'm not knocking TS at all, just making sure you dont re-write history.
    Who’s re-writing history? You’re the one bringing up irrelevant points about embargoes.

    BR7 is saying the starting XI we have at the moment is better than the starting XI from the opening game last season. Would you agree?

    And bringing up ‘flurry of transfers in September’ also means you agree that we have plenty of time left to strengthen the squad?
    This will be my last post on this.

    Of course I agree that the team that starts against Sheff W will be better than the one that started at Crewe. But that stands to reason for the points I made in my previous post. It's hardly rocket science is it. 

    I'll leave it there as the thread is getting sidetracked......and I said I'd be posting less as I seem to rub people up the wrong way for making what seems to be a logical arguement.


    Well no it’s not, that’s why nobody brought it up. Just you.

    It’s not an argument because nobody is arguing it. Everyone knows we had poorer owners back then. Which is why it was totally pointless bringing it up to what BR7 was posting and telling him he was ‘re-writing history’

    Perhaps discuss instead of ‘logical arguments’, which always put a negative spin on everything, and you’ll find this a happier place.
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,920
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    I'm not panicking......but I'm hoping that everyone agrees that we bloody well should be in a better position now than we were first game last season & so the lack of follow through from all the rhetoric that had been spouted from TS & NA is puzzling. 

    Remember, it's not us fans saying that we should "blow through this league" or " that will be us lifting the trophy next season"
    You can only hope for what is to come, not what hasn't happened. I just hope we have a team that's good enough when the season gets underway and all the transfer business is completed.  
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,215
    golfaddick said:
    ValleyGary said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    Of course you're not comparing like for like. The reason we started last season with the team you mentioned is because we couldn't BUY any players & the wage cap meant teams were working on very tight budgets. We lost quite a few players last summer (like we have this summer) & they needed to be replaced - but they weren't until TS took over & then we saw a late flurry in September just before the transfer window shut. 

    I'm not knocking TS at all, just making sure you dont re-write history.
    Who’s re-writing history? You’re the one bringing up irrelevant points about embargoes.

    BR7 is saying the starting XI we have at the moment is better than the starting XI from the opening game last season. Would you agree?

    And bringing up ‘flurry of transfers in September’ also means you agree that we have plenty of time left to strengthen the squad?
    This will be my last post on this.

    Of course I agree that the team that starts against Sheff W will be better than the one that started at Crewe. But that stands to reason for the points I made in my previous post. It's hardly rocket science is it. 

    I'll leave it there as the thread is getting sidetracked......and I said I'd be posting less as I seem to rub people up the wrong way for making what seems to be a logical arguement.


    You haven’t rubbed anyone up the wrong way, you started saying my facts are off but then agreed with me.  

    You’re welcome to think we should have more in by now, but as I said just remember where we are now compared with where we were 12 months ago. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,015
    addick1956 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




     I included modern players and past players are relevant.  Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.
    Not that far back they're not.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,999
    addick1956 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




     I included modern players and past players are relevant.  Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.
    So you don’t think the games changed in the last 50-60 years?
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Posted in here as well as squad list because it’ll be seen by more.  


    How we kicked off 20/21:

    Amos
    Barker, Oshilaja, Pratley, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Lapslie, JFC
    Doughty, Bonne, Washington 

    Vs 

    How we will currently kick off 21/22:

    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Gilbey, Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Stockley, Washington 

    Matched up player for player I make it this seasons team wins 6-2 with 3 being the same.

    And we’ve not even finished business yet, things are better, relax people. 
    You're comparing apples & pears.

    Last season :

    We had an owner trying to sell us to someone the EFL would not accept as "fit & proper"

    We had been under a transfer embargo since Jan. Only players we could bring in were on a "like for like" wages basis 

    There was a wage cap.

    This season:

    We have an owner who is stable & has put in over £10m into the club 

    The owner says he wants Premier League status in 5 years

    We are not under an embargo

    There is no wage cap.

    Apart from that your comparisons stack up well. I'm all for debate but at least get the facts right.

    I’m comparing charlton 20/21 with charlton 21/22, that’s apples and apples.  My facts are right that is the team we started with last season, apart from perhaps you could debate the starting XI Adkins will go with.  Either way this season we are much better.

    The fact we had shit owners then and good owners now is irrelevant to my point, which is that things are a lot better and that those is a state of panic such as yourself, should relax a bit.
    I'm not panicking......but I'm hoping that everyone agrees that we bloody well should be in a better position now than we were first game last season & so the lack of follow through from all the rhetoric that had been spouted from TS & NA is puzzling. 

    Remember, it's not us fans saying that we should "blow through this league" or " that will be us lifting the trophy next season"
    Patience, Golfie. Of course, we'd have all liked our business done by now.

    It's not just us ...... every club in the Division is in the same boat.
    They are all saying how difficult it is to get the players they want.

    I'm sure I remember you saying a few weeks back, something like, Oxford had only released 3 players compared to Charlton, who had lost 12 of last season's squad. Yet when we bought Clare the other day, the Oxford fans were saying they needed to strengthen urgently and bewailing how thin their squad is.

    Sound familiar? You see, it's not only us. 



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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    I agree with the Chuks comment. I saw him as a key player this season as if we got him on the pitch more, those 15 goals could become 20 plus. That is hard to replace.
  • mattinfinland
    mattinfinland Posts: 1,096
    edited July 2021
    McGillivray
    Matthews, Innis, Famewo, Purrington 
    Dobson, Clare
    Jaiyesimi, Morgan, Washington 
    Stockley

    That on paper looks strong and exciting imo

    That's without
    Watson
    Clayden
    Gilbey
    Deji
    Gunter
    Henry
    Davidson
    Pearce

    Sure we could do with 3-4 more, but I'm sure we will see those in terms of loan deals

    LB, ST, WM, at a minimum
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,962
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Be gobsmacked if we got them, particularly Gilbey, for free. Cawley's comment no doubt come from Bowyer, and without meaning to dig Bows out, the context was about how little we'd spent, so suited him to miss those out. No way do Mk Dons let their player of the year leave on a free. 
    I'm pretty I sure remember reading a year ago that because of the lockdown, suspension of the division and lack of income, MK were desperate to reduce their budget - which is probably why they made POTY Gilbey available, quite likely because he was their highest earner?

    I believe also Hearts had just been relegated and their manager saying that they had to urgently reduce expenditure and were letting higher earning players go. A couple of days later, we signed Washington.

    Don't ask me how I remember this stuff!


  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,382
    Garrymanilow said:
    golfaddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    We’ve still got 4 loan spots to fill and those will come later in the window. I think we’re going to have an interesting deadline day, but the final squad will probably be put together pretty late 
    Hmmm. Thought I remember at the end of April the club saying that being in the mix for the play offs was not helping our plans for the summer as we didnt know what league we might be in next season. That issue was all sorted on May 7th.
    Eh? Knowing what we’re planning on doing isn’t the same as getting it done quickly. Knowing what league we’re in allows us to define our targets based on our budget. The fact we stayed down means that we’ll have to sign players accordingly, which in this window’s market means more loans as we don’t have as much money to chuck about. Loans often get done late as other clubs finalise their squads, and this has been a window of brinksmanship. We’re still waiting for it to properly start all over the leagues 
    Exactly this. Nerve racking. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,759
    I thought he was soon to be out of contract and they knew he wouldn't be extending.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,658
    In the words of Ness from Gavin and Stacey, what's occuring?
  • Bexleyheath_Addick
    Bexleyheath_Addick Posts: 211
    We expecting any deals today? @anyoneITK
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,547
    Cloudworm said:
    So far we've replaced

    Amos with McGillivray
    Pratley with Dobson
    Shinnie with Clare

    Haven't replaced our top scorer yet or Millar, who most of those in the know rated highly. Or Maatsen, who I thought was great. I'd say we're possibly weaker than we were at the end of last season and definitely behind the curve.

    I'll be much happier when we get...

    A winger
    A left back
    A goalscorer
    And a centre half

    I'm starting to think we might be under another secret transfer umbongo...

    Amos - McGillivray
    AMB - AMB

    Matthews - Matthews
    Gunter - Gunter
    Maatsen - 
    Purrington - Purrington

    Famewo - Famewo
    Pearce - Pearce
    Inniss - Inniss
    Nobody - 

    Pratley - Dobson
    Watson - Watson
    Gilbey - Gilbey
    JFC - JFC
    Morgan - Morgan
    Shinnie - Clare
    Smith -  

    Millar - 
    DJ - DJ

    Stockley - Stockley
    Washington - Washington
    Schwartz - Schwartz
    Aneke - 


    Hardly behind the curve, the two players really missing from ending last season are Millar and Aneke, granted both important, but those are the two players that we really need to get right, difference between playoffs auto.

    We're not really in that bad a shape if the season was to start tomorrow, not perfect, but not relegation material.

  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited July 2021
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    In the words of Ness from Gavin and Stacey, what's occuring?
    In the u23s isn't he? 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,382
    thenewbie said:
    addick1956 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    addick1956 said:
    CafcSCP said:
    Gomes, konsa, Shelvey, lookman we’re all unknowns when we blooded them. Look where they are now.
    if they’re good enough then get our youngsters in the team.
    Theyre going to make some mistakes but perhaps Adkins is already seeing the promise.
     I said that self same thing recently. I quoted ' If you are good enough,  you are old enough '. I then listed a lot of players back to the 1950's to show how many were really successful. 

    All I got was mocking nonsense telling me I always talk rubbish. 

    Let us see if you get the same criticism. 
    That's because quoting footballers back to the 1950s is not relevant to today's game. 




     I included modern players and past players are relevant.  Why do u think nothing counts unless you were around at the time.
    Not that far back they're not.
    I think the game was more ‘robust’ in the 50s and before, and the pitches much heavier. Less suitable for younger (so generally more lightweight) players. 
    Others would know more about the average age of players then compared with now. 
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