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Wayne Mumford appointed as Commercial Director
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Don't forget the lucky socks.0
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I suppose everyone’s forgotten Charlton TV then…11
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Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs16 -
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.2 -
To be fair the comments about Mumford (which I think are over harsh) are nothing to do with the squad building, but rather the commercial side. Certainly, while I'm happy to have a Charlton supporter sponsoring the shirts, I must admit to have been expecting something more "lucrative", and so far I don't recall seeing any other major commercial deals announced eitherScoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.7 -
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.7 -
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?3 -
Simple, but great post.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
I can’t imagine the behind the scenes mess that was left by ESI and friends. Unfortunately some fans see Sandgaard’s overall wealth and presume everything with the club should be perfect.1 -
I think it was clear that Nigel was just laying out his intentions in the heat of the moment, rather than making a comment on available budget. But yeah, Thomas' claim definitely was misjudged. But we can definitely still compete to be Champions with a few more additions.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.0 - Sponsored links:
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Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.6 -
So did I, but there's still plenty of time to build a strong squad.Covered End said:
Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.0 -
But even if Charlton went out and signed the biggest names available and threw millions at it in transfer fees, wages, 3 year contacts etc., there's no guarantee of success, is there?Covered End said:
Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.
The only guarantee is that you've spent a huge amount of money - and maybe undermined the financial stability of the club.
Alternatively, you can take the best of what you already have; and judiciously add what you consider to be the right players (ability, budget and importantly character) to build a squad that can challenge in the promotion race.
The best eleven players rarely make the best team.
Remember Curbs old mantra? "The team is greater than the sum of its parts", paraphrasing the words and wisdom of Aristotle.
And no, not even Bexley Boy has seen him on trial at Sparrows Lane.: Cawley denied it too. smile:
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I don't disagree at all.Oggy Red said:
But even if Charlton went out and signed the biggest names available and threw millions at it in transfer fees, wages, 3 year contacts etc., there's no guarantee of success, is there?Covered End said:
Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.
The only guarantee is that you've spent a huge amount of money - and maybe undermined the financial stability of the club.
Alternatively, you can take the best of what you already have; and judiciously add what you consider to be the right players (ability, budget and importantly character) to build a squad that can challenge in the promotion race.
The best eleven players rarely make the best team.
Remember Curbs old mantra? "The team is greater than the sum of its parts", paraphrasing the words and wisdom of Aristotle.
And no, not even Bexley Boy has seen him on trial at Sparrows Lane.: Cawley denied it too. smile:1 -
And nor do I.Covered End said:
I don't disagree at all.Oggy Red said:
But even if Charlton went out and signed the biggest names available and threw millions at it in transfer fees, wages, 3 year contacts etc., there's no guarantee of success, is there?Covered End said:
Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.
The only guarantee is that you've spent a huge amount of money - and maybe undermined the financial stability of the club.
Alternatively, you can take the best of what you already have; and judiciously add what you consider to be the right players (ability, budget and importantly character) to build a squad that can challenge in the promotion race.
The best eleven players rarely make the best team.
Remember Curbs old mantra? "The team is greater than the sum of its parts", paraphrasing the words and wisdom of Aristotle.
And no, not even Bexley Boy has seen him on trial at Sparrows Lane.: Cawley denied it too. smile:
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Nixon has an exclusiveOggy Red said:
But even if Charlton went out and signed the biggest names available and threw millions at it in transfer fees, wages, 3 year contacts etc., there's no guarantee of success, is there?Covered End said:
Nope, not before the window closes.Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?
But I think the vast majority expected better signings thus far, to a greater or lesser extent.
The only guarantee is that you've spent a huge amount of money - and maybe undermined the financial stability of the club.
Alternatively, you can take the best of what you already have; and judiciously add what you consider to be the right players (ability, budget and importantly character) to build a squad that can challenge in the promotion race.
The best eleven players rarely make the best team.
Remember Curbs old mantra? "The team is greater than the sum of its parts", paraphrasing the words and wisdom of Aristotle.
And no, not even Bexley Boy has seen him on trial at Sparrows Lane.: Cawley denied it too. smile:5 -
You can have who you like as commercial director, it won’t change the fact the club is in L1 with sod-all media exposure. And that’s the problem.killerandflash said:
To be fair the comments about Mumford (which I think are over harsh) are nothing to do with the squad building, but rather the commercial side. Certainly, while I'm happy to have a Charlton supporter sponsoring the shirts, I must admit to have been expecting something more "lucrative", and so far I don't recall seeing any other major commercial deals announced eitherScoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.31 -
Exactly , in this cesspit of a division us appearing in it for the 8th season in 13 is a fcuking disgrace , no one is gonna plough big dough in to sponsorship with us with the complete non return guaranteed , unless they are Charlton fansAirman Brown said:
You can have who you like as commercial director, it won’t change the fact the club is in L1 with sod-all media exposure. And that’s the problem.killerandflash said:
To be fair the comments about Mumford (which I think are over harsh) are nothing to do with the squad building, but rather the commercial side. Certainly, while I'm happy to have a Charlton supporter sponsoring the shirts, I must admit to have been expecting something more "lucrative", and so far I don't recall seeing any other major commercial deals announced eitherScoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.6 -
3 weeks ago my pal left a message with the commercial Dept to sponsor a player, and was told they would call him back.No call ever came.2
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Presumably they weren’t expecting to hear back from the commercial director, though? It’s not good but the staffing level is inadequate so things will slip through the net.Valiantphil said:3 weeks ago my pal left a message with the commercial Dept to sponsor a player, and was told they would call him back.No call ever came.3 - Sponsored links:
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Anyway he lost his mojo when he left the band...0
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I made an enquiry about advertising in the programme as soon as Roland sold up but never heard back.Valiantphil said:3 weeks ago my pal left a message with the commercial Dept to sponsor a player, and was told they would call him back.No call ever came.
I'm sure it's not been easy in recent years being on the payroll of Charlton but the club appear to be missing out on potential income. Would the club make more profit if they invested in greater staff resources?
If the club is to move forward, this area of activity needs to be better. Anybody showing interest in giving the club money should be on a mailing list to receive opportunities at the very least.
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And this is the problem.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
Since the Duchatalet era fans have (rightly) remembered everything that regime ever said and held them accountable to there words and why not when the club was being so badly run. But it seems to have come at a price where sections of the fanbase seem to have been wounded so badly that now people are doing the same to Sandgaard and Adkins holding them accountable to there positivity unless we have 101 points on the board next May.
I know we've been burnt badly in the past but I really do think it's time to stop this Charlton court of law where anybody in power at the club has to be measured against there words said in the right intentions at the time.11 -
I went on the website yesterday; clicked.on hospitality packages and it said none available, clicked on tours, it said none available, clicked on pitch side experiences, it said none available, clicked on mascot package, none available. Two weeks.before the season starts, I found it strangeTellyTubby said:
I made an enquiry about advertising in the programme as soon as Roland sold up but never heard back.Valiantphil said:3 weeks ago my pal left a message with the commercial Dept to sponsor a player, and was told they would call him back.No call ever came.
I'm sure it's not been easy in recent years being on the payroll of Charlton but the club appear to be missing out on potential income. Would the club make more profit if they invested in greater staff resources?
If the club is to move forward, this area of activity needs to be better. Anybody showing interest in giving the club money should be on a mailing list to receive opportunities at the very least.8 -
This.MartinCAFC said:
And this is the problem.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
Since the Duchatalet era fans have (rightly) remembered everything that regime ever said and held them accountable to there words and why not when the club was being so badly run. But it seems to have come at a price where sections of the fanbase seem to have been wounded so badly that now people are doing the same to Sandgaard and Adkins holding them accountable to there positivity unless we have 101 points on the board next May.
I know we've been burnt badly in the past but I really do think it's time to stop this Charlton court of law where anybody in power at the club has to be measured against there words said in the right intentions at the time.
It makes me uncomfortable to see Charlton fans holding performance reviews for internal staff in a kangaroo court. Can we not just trust TS to run the business and worry about the football. That's all we said we wanted in the RD era.21 -
All of these comments/experiences might be worth forwarding to the fan adviser? Do they have an account on here?Athletico Charlton said:
I went on the website yesterday; clicked.on hospitality packages and it said none available, clicked on tours, it said none available, clicked on pitch side experiences, it said none available, clicked on mascot package, none available. Two weeks.before the season starts, I found it strangeTellyTubby said:
I made an enquiry about advertising in the programme as soon as Roland sold up but never heard back.Valiantphil said:3 weeks ago my pal left a message with the commercial Dept to sponsor a player, and was told they would call him back.No call ever came.
I'm sure it's not been easy in recent years being on the payroll of Charlton but the club appear to be missing out on potential income. Would the club make more profit if they invested in greater staff resources?
If the club is to move forward, this area of activity needs to be better. Anybody showing interest in giving the club money should be on a mailing list to receive opportunities at the very least.3 -
To quote a poster on here "Let's see where we are in October".Scoham said:
Of course, but some have written off our chances because the transfer window so far hasn't been what they expected based on those expectations.Covered End said:
Adkins pointing at Hull the Champions and saying that will be us next season and Sandgaard saying will we smash this league, meant everyone of sound mind expected us to be competing to be Champions.Scoham said:
Agree.Swisdom said:Rome was t built in a day
it took years of abuse to fuck us up so it is likely to take a little while to right the wrongs
From what I've seen on Twitter it seems TS and NAs positivity about next season has increased expectations, we're expected to win the title comfortably. Some were expecting a brilliant squad to be put together very quickly, with us signing other clubs best players.
Throwing millions at it like that is one way to succeed but it's not the only way. I still expect the squad to look a lot better by the time the window closes.
There was no other interpretation unless you thought they were bullshitters.
I don't think we can write off our chances of a good season yet, do you?1 -
The commercial manager has no input into who we sign so that's a red herring.
The "imminent partnership" wasn't a good thing to say IMHO but I'm an under promise, over deliver guy which is probably why I'm not in sales.
My view is that TS and WM are still finding out just what a mess the club was in. Lots of great, committed staff, and TK, but so much damage done, so much left undone, so much neglected by ESI and by Staprix that needs correcting.
And all that in a pandemic and resulting recession meaning many potential sponsors cutting budgets and other clubs offering their shirt deals for a lot less than normal.
If you don't want betting company money, and @Swisdom hinted that we turned down such a deal, I guess there's not a lot out there for a league one club other than your core fan lead companies hence the good news about KW and also Axis.
The shirt sponsorship, hospitality etc lack of responses mentioned by @Athletico Charlton sounds poor but not sure how much that is uncertainty around Covid19.
But Charlton TV was upgraded hugely and that was lead by Mumford.
Personally, I don't think WM is helped by having no CEO on site. It means he's dealing with the 101 mundane but important things rather than purely commercial matters. Things like getting lifts working.
Airman hinted at a bigger deal next season. We shall see what that is.
The Hummel shirt and shop deals also expire summer of '22 as does, I think, the outsourced catering, this is another example of unraveling Meire's mess, although I hope we keep Hummel just for the look of the shirts.19 -
Did the same as was up for it before the game. Bought three seats instead.I went on the website yesterday; clicked.on hospitality packages and it said none available, clicked on tours, it said none available, clicked on pitch side experiences, it said none available, clicked on mascot package, none available. Two weeks.before the season starts, I found it strange0 -
Difficult to understand why the chief operating officer wouldn't be responsible for getting a lift working.
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