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We have a relegation midfield
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We could just about get away with one if it was an excellent player and Gilbey is back soon. Having Dobson, Clare and Morgan fighting it out for a spot alongside them two wouldn't be the end of the world. I'd take two but the problem is we gave Watson a new contract and signed Clare and Dobson, can't see us signing another two.covered_end_junior said:Early days but the signs aren’t good. I like Morgan but he’s a squad player.Dobson looks slow and very limited. Clare just hasn’t offered anything so far and you can see why Oxford were happy to let him go.
Initially I thought one CM should be signed but there’s a case for two. Fingers crossed Gilbey isn’t too far away from being involved with some under 23 games.0 -
I'll be having nightmares about that midfield three tonight. Who thought that was a good idea?2
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How is that relevant? We've let go of players in the past who have come back and done well. I'd certainly take Ajayi back that's for sure.addick1956 said:
We also let him go years ago. Now we are planning the return of our old keeper 'Sick note Henderson '. It is very much relegation fighting squad. Look at the table and the injuries and the depth.cafcfan1990 said:Not sure it's quite relegation but it's very poor. None of them look like they should be starting in a decent League 1 team. If Gallen identified Dobson and Clare as the answer he needs to go. We paid money for Clare.0 -
Clare looked ok tonight compared to his previous games for us but he isn't the answer. His control is not good enough, He has no creativity and he doesn't score goals. He runs around a lot but that is for the bench at best not our starting midfield.0
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Shambles. None of them would get in to any top 6 midfield.
Shows how good Forster-Caskey is when he’s not in the team. He’d get us to try and play at least.
Need at least one more to come in, preferably 2, and have Gilbey back as soon as.
If this midfield continues much longer we will be waiting quite a while to pick up 3 points.10 -
The bit in the second half where he beat Lewington and put a dangerous cross into the penalty area and the bit where Lewington got booked after being beaten by him. And numerous bits of good play in the first half.Dave Rudd said:
He had a reasonable first 10-12 minutes and later played in a good ball for Stockley's attempt on goal.cafcfan1990 said:
massively unfair, was our best player. Barely gets the ball and looks dangerous when he does. Good performance tonight although his final ball is still frustrating.Dave Rudd said:Why have you left out Jaiyesimi?
He is woeful.
That was it.
Our best player? Hmm. He was woeful. Ponderous, heavy-legged. Poor crosses. It's like he can't kick it. And the 37 year-old Lewington didn't break sweat.
What did I miss?
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Numerous bits of good play in the first half? I made that a few bits of good play in the first 10 -12 minutes.Southbank said:
The bit in the second half where he beat Lewington and put a dangerous cross into the penalty area and the bit where Lewington got booked after being beaten by him. And numerous bits of good play in the first half.Dave Rudd said:
He had a reasonable first 10-12 minutes and later played in a good ball for Stockley's attempt on goal.cafcfan1990 said:
massively unfair, was our best player. Barely gets the ball and looks dangerous when he does. Good performance tonight although his final ball is still frustrating.Dave Rudd said:Why have you left out Jaiyesimi?
He is woeful.
That was it.
Our best player? Hmm. He was woeful. Ponderous, heavy-legged. Poor crosses. It's like he can't kick it. And the 37 year-old Lewington didn't break sweat.
What did I miss?
You're welcome
And we'll disagree about his one-to-one contest with MK Dons coach (yes, that's coach) Dean Lewington. At best, two bits of skill in 45 mins ... Yaay!
And the cross was poor.
The guy is woeful.
You're also welcome.0 -
Explain why?cafcnick1992 said:
Bizarre commentDave Rudd said:Why have you left out Jaiyesimi?
He is woeful.
He is woeful.2 -
Cos he was comfortably our biggest threat tonight to the point where they subbed the guy marking him.Dave Rudd said:
Explain why?cafcnick1992 said:
Bizarre commentDave Rudd said:Why have you left out Jaiyesimi?
He is woeful.
He is woeful.3 -
Jaiyesimi is more of an old fashioned winger, playing him in a 433 is never going to work, that's fairly obvious.
A 3 never works for someone like Washington either, although that might not be an issue for a while. He makes great runs in a 2 that no one seems to spot.
As for the midfield 3, Clare, Dobson & Morgan.......... Morgan can't play in a 3 unless he's got a lot of experience beside him as his decision/positioning is still poor, he needs a Pratly shouting at him constantly...... I'm still to be convinced on Clare or Dobson that either are capable in this division in any formation.
We seem to see it so often at Charlton, a Manager who wants to play a system but doesn't have the players to do so, rather than play a System we potentially have the players for.
If Washington is out for the next game he may as well try something different. Playing Morgan behind Stockley and 4 across the midfield.
But at the moment we don't have the players with either the ability or the intelligence to play how Adkins wants us to, we'll be lucky to win one in 4/5 on average with what we have. 4 points minimum needed from Wigan & Crewe5 - Sponsored links:
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Clare and Dobson are bottom 6 standard midfielders. There is a reason their two clubs didn’t want them. Morgan is currently an average youngster.None are good enough. Forget any thought of either being good enough with better players around them.
They are cack. End of.2 -
The thread is about the midfield 3.
If you want to continue discussing DJ our best player on the night start another thread please.
So, take a look at their first goal.
Clare loses a header and then Morgan & Dobson both go for the same ball and neither get it.
(Inniss is then outpaced and the goalie is out of position, absolute shambles, but it started with the midfield 3).
In fairness Morgan put in a delightful cross for our goal.
Second goal Clare lost a header once again from the free kick.
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Think all three are good enough to play a part, but that part is not playing every match and certainly not every match together.6
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No it's not, it's about our midfield and DJ is a midfielder! He should be playing in our midfield as a winger.Covered End said:The thread is about the midfield 3.
If you want to continue discussing DJ our best player on the night start another thread please.
So, take a look at their first goal.
Clare loses a header and then Morgan & Dobson both go for the same ball and neither get it.
Second goal Clare lost a header once again from the free kick.
(Inniss is then outpaced and the goalie is out of position, absolute shambles, but it started with the midfield 3).
In fairness Morgan put in a delightful cross for our goal.0 -
Sorry - don’t agree.Stig said:Think all three are good enough to play a part, but that part is not playing every match and certainly not every match together.
They are cack.2 -
Dobson is a destroyer that doesn't actually break up play
Clare is a box to box player that's not good enough in either box
Morgan is a non scoring, non assisting number 108 -
But he's not, he's part of the front 3 in a 433.Rob7Lee said:
No it's not, it's about our midfield and DJ is a midfielder! He should be playing in our midfield as a winger.Covered End said:The thread is about the midfield 3.
If you want to continue discussing DJ our best player on the night start another thread please.
So, take a look at their first goal.
Clare loses a header and then Morgan & Dobson both go for the same ball and neither get it.
Second goal Clare lost a header once again from the free kick.
(Inniss is then outpaced and the goalie is out of position, absolute shambles, but it started with the midfield 3).
In fairness Morgan put in a delightful cross for our goal.
If he was a midfielder we'd be playing a 451 but that's not how it's described by Adkins or the OS0 -
My thread, my rules :::::::::Rob7Lee said:
No it's not, it's about our midfield and DJ is a midfielder! He should be playing in our midfield as a winger.Covered End said:The thread is about the midfield 3.
If you want to continue discussing DJ our best player on the night start another thread please.
So, take a look at their first goal.
Clare loses a header and then Morgan & Dobson both go for the same ball and neither get it.
Second goal Clare lost a header once again from the free kick.
(Inniss is then outpaced and the goalie is out of position, absolute shambles, but it started with the midfield 3).
In fairness Morgan put in a delightful cross for our goal.
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Clare is really really poor0
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He wasn't brilliant tonight, but comfortably the least of our midfield problems, which shows how dire the other two werecafcsinger said:Clare is really really poor3 - Sponsored links:
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There is a case for all 3 being the best or worst.
But realistically they all need to be on the bench and at worst only one of them playing.
You can't carry players in any league.1 -
I have to say Id never heard of Clare before we signed him. Now I know why.1
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I've not heard of 2/3rds of our signings these days, we're in League One, we're not signing anyone in the public eye, so it's basically can I remember them from a game against us.TEL said:I have to say Id never heard of Clare before we signed him. Now I know why.8 -
Dobson - not wanted by Sunderland, spent the second half of last season on loan at Wimbledon. 5 goals in 165 games in English football, although he is a holding midfielder.
Clare - not wanted in a midfield position by Oxford, spent the second half of last season on loan at Burton. 4 goals in 88 games in his English football career.
Morgan - has always showed promise but ultimately in my opinion has never really kicked on. Would be ok as a squad player but certainly isn't good enough to be our number 10. 2 goals in 76 games for Charlton.
So a midfield trio with a grand total of 11 goals in 329 games.
On average, a goal every 30 games. Which means if they continue to play together as a trio we could expect one of them to score a goal every 10 games.
And that folks is what we're hanging our hopes on.12 -
and for those who said Jonny Williams isn't good enough....how's them apples?5
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I mean… he’s not exactly proved anything since moving on either. One start in six months for Cardiff (where they got tonked five nil) and then immediately released.ct_addick said:and for those who said Jonny Williams isn't good enough....how's them apples?If Jonny Williams is the answer, you’re probably Swindon Town in League Two.10 -
Oxford did want to keep Clare but made it clear he was going to have to fight for his place in the team as a midfielder. Not surprising as they like technical players who can keep possession in the middle, and Clare does not look like that kind of player. Or if he is, he's hiding.
Yesterday the guy came on as a 77th minute substitute in a league two match.ct_addick said:and for those who said Jonny Williams isn't good enough....how's them apples?1 -
Who’d have Shinnie and Pratley back?
i would.2 -
I wouldn't have Pratley back, there's nothing he would have done that would have made the start of the season any different.Cloudworm said:Who’d have Shinnie and Pratley back?
i would.
Shinnie on the other hand would have given us someone with the ability to hold onto the ball in the middle of the park, especially in tight situations, and bring other players into play. I feel like players like Clare, who has shown he can make good runs off the ball, would benifit with a player like Shinnie around them.0 -
Nige has our starting front 3 and back 4 the same as what ended last season (minus maatsen). Yet so far we can't and don't look like scoring and apparently, defensively fragile.
So, what's changed... The part in the middle.
Were Pratley and Watson really that good? JFC who had a stop start season?
As we saw last season the pratson midfield was dire, on paper, Dobson, Clare and Morgan should be better - younger, fitter, more energy, some footballing ability, but, it's just not working yet, it's still pretty early but the signs aren't great, Gilbey returning will help but we need at least one more to come in someone who can calmly pass the ball and move it around.
It's all well and good having an energetic midfield, but, if they can't play football very well...then, well, yeah....1
