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In what way have I denied anybody such a thing?se9addick said:
But she is British, that’s her nationality - source = Emma Raducanu.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
I don’t understand why you would want to deny someone their right to self determine their nationality & identity to which they are fully entitled.0 -
Belated congratulations to proud British tennis player, Emma Raducanu.
Britain is proud of you.
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Officially up to 23 in the world rankings now, hopefully that continues to rise in the next year.1
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Djokovic crying last night was really odd, as far as I can see it was because the crowd was cheering for him for once.
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End of an era for men's tennis .. other than Medvedev there is no-one else who looks to be as potentially consistent and dominating as the three musketeers have been over the past decade, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer0
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I think Djokovic will still dominate the next couple of years and win 2 or 3 GS each year, but past that it might be refreshing to have it spread around a bit more, and Medvedev, Thiem, Tsitsipas, Zverev are a level above the dodgy Safin, Kuerton, Ferrero period when it felt like the quality wasn't the best.Lincsaddick said:End of an era for men's tennis .. other than Medvedev there is no-one else who looks to be as potentially consistent and dominating as the three musketeers have been over the past decade, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer0 -
I was thinking that myself. I think Raducanu is the 14th or 15th different winner of a Women's Grand Slam Event in the last five years which demonstrates quite how ripe the ladies game is for one or two young players to step up and dominate a la Williams sisters in the early 2000s or, going further back, to the Graff/Seles and Navratilova/Evert eras.Lincsaddick said:End of an era for men's tennis .. other than Medvedev there is no-one else who looks to be as potentially consistent and dominating as the three musketeers have been over the past decade, Nadal, Djokovic and Federer2 -
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...0 -
I think her ambition is to be accepted as a great tennis player.3
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Yeah since the Euros final I've been telling everyone Raheem Sterling is Jamaican, if he wanted to stay British he should have scored a winner, shouldn't he?RickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
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RubbishRickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
Besides she's not someone who's lived in an international enclave, flying around the world to train at the best tennis academies. She grew up in the borough of Bromley, she went to school in Bromley, she learned to play tennis in Bromley. She's a triumph for BRITISH sport
Indeed she's more British than Virginia Wade, who spent most of her childhood in S Africa.15 -
You should write for the Guardian.RickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...4 -
You tell them, Emma.
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Her parents gave her a normal childhood which is refreshing in this day and age - not going to a tennis academy has probably helped her become a more rounded person.killerandflash said:
RubbishRickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
Besides she's not someone who's lived in an international enclave, flying around the world to train at the best tennis academies. She grew up in the borough of Bromley, she went to school in Bromley, she learned to play tennis in Bromley. She's a triumph for BRITISH sport
Indeed she's more British than Virginia Wade, who spent most of her childhood in S Africa.
She seems to have plenty of interests and a good education - she's had a great start in life. I hope the media give her enough space.2 -
Of course the local structures and the backing of the Lawn Tennis Association has been a huge factor in the emergence of Emma Raducanu.killerandflash said:
RubbishRickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
Besides she's not someone who's lived in an international enclave, flying around the world to train at the best tennis academies. She grew up in the borough of Bromley, she went to school in Bromley, she learned to play tennis in Bromley. She's a triumph for BRITISH sport
Indeed she's more British than Virginia Wade, who spent most of her childhood in S Africa.
I was unaware that there are degrees of Britishness a la Virginia Wade. Emma Raducanu has British and Canadian dual nationality, I don't know if that is a factor in her Britishness, it is more likely to be a rules based formal status for her.
As well as regular visits to her father's family in Romania, where she is reportedly very close to her grandmother, I believe Emma went to China almost annually, probably for only a month at a time, but trained in the tennis facilities in Shenyang, where her mother is from, and where she also has a closeness to her maternal grandmother. In Shenyang a lot of her training was against boys when Emma was a young teenager.
Mrs Plum showed me a huge article this morning, but it was all Chinese characters, but there is clear photographic evidence of Emma participating in Tennis coaching in China, both in Shenyang and also Nanjing.
In 2018 Emma was also in some training and development at the Chinese national tennis centre in Nanjing.
https://www.thenanjinger.com/magazine/the-supplement/a-players-heaven-in-nanjing-the-tennis-academy-of-china/
In early relatively modest level tournaments Emma would have travelled internationally to compete. To an extent that early competitive experience was rather specialised and confined to a kind of tennis enclave.
Whatever Britishness does or doesn't mean, to me Emma Raducanu represents a young modern and hopeful face of internationalism, and she is likely to be embraced worldwide as a great sportswoman because she is blimmin good at tennis, her background being of lesser importance than her play.
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must we?4
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The usual suspects at it again….
Well done Emma. Brilliant occasion for British sport.6 -
Can we not just celebrate an extraordinary young woman making history? She is phenomenal in so many ways; a talented tennis player with terrific mental toughness, a genuine smile and love of the game and the ability to learn, move on and improve seemingly every time she plays. I love her 'jus the next point' mentality that a lot could learn from.
A somewhat better role model then the likes of Love Island etc. And she's from, played tennis and been educated in Bromley! I have no doubt her parents have massively influenced her and contributed to her character and success but it is because of their character rather than anyone's nationality, with amazing support form the LTA9 -
Are you referring to me as a 'usual suspect'?ValleyGary said:The usual suspects at it again….
Well done Emma. Brilliant occasion for British sport.
What is the 'it' that anybody is 'at'?
I have written that Emma Raducanu has a wide ranging background both personally and in her tennis.
I have characterised her achievement so far as being particularly individual.
If you think there is anything wrong or untrue about anything I have written, then why don't you say what it is?0 -
I only mentioned Wade, as it irritates me when people try to suggest that modern sports stars aren't "proper British" when compared to their predecessors. Wade moved to S Africa when she was one, and only came back to the UK aged 15, so learned the game away from this country. Where you grow up is to me what defines you.seth plum said:
Of course the local structures and the backing of the Lawn Tennis Association has been a huge factor in the emergence of Emma Raducanu.killerandflash said:
RubbishRickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
Besides she's not someone who's lived in an international enclave, flying around the world to train at the best tennis academies. She grew up in the borough of Bromley, she went to school in Bromley, she learned to play tennis in Bromley. She's a triumph for BRITISH sport
Indeed she's more British than Virginia Wade, who spent most of her childhood in S Africa.
I was unaware that there are degrees of Britishness a la Virginia Wade. Emma Raducanu has British and Canadian dual nationality, I don't know if that is a factor in her Britishness, it is more likely to be a rules based formal status for her.
As well as regular visits to her father's family in Romania, where she is reportedly very close to her grandmother, I believe Emma went to China almost annually, probably for only a month at a time, but trained in the tennis facilities in Shenyang, where her mother is from, and where she also has a closeness to her maternal grandmother. In Shenyang a lot of her training was against boys when Emma was a young teenager.
Mrs Plum showed me a huge article this morning, but it was all Chinese characters, but there is clear photographic evidence of Emma participating in Tennis coaching in China, both in Shenyang and also Nanjing.
In 2018 Emma was also in some training and development at the Chinese national tennis centre in Nanjing.
https://www.thenanjinger.com/magazine/the-supplement/a-players-heaven-in-nanjing-the-tennis-academy-of-china/
In early relatively modest level tournaments Emma would have travelled internationally to compete. To an extent that early competitive experience was rather specialised and confined to a kind of tennis enclave.
Whatever Britishness does or doesn't mean, to me Emma Raducanu represents a young modern and hopeful face of internationalism, and she is likely to be embraced worldwide as a great sportswoman because she is blimmin good at tennis, her background being of lesser importance than her play.
Emma might have some summer training in China, but that's 1 month max in 12, and she's had a far more "domestic" life than most young tennis players, who get whisked off to training schools at a young age and are often home schooled so they can devote themselves to tennis, e.g. Osaka and Gauff.
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Well everyone else is calling her British, and you called her "Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality".seth plum said:
Are you referring to me as a 'usual suspect'?ValleyGary said:The usual suspects at it again….
Well done Emma. Brilliant occasion for British sport.
What is the 'it' that anybody is 'at'?
I have written that Emma Raducanu has a wide ranging background both personally and in her tennis.
I have characterised her achievement so far as being particularly individual.
If you think there is anything wrong or untrue about anything I have written, then why don't you say what it is?2 -
Certainly Emma’s tennis development and coaching domestically is a huge factor in her emergence.killerandflash said:
I only mentioned Wade, as it irritates me when people try to suggest that modern sports stars aren't "proper British" when compared to their predecessors. Wade moved to S Africa when she was one, and only came back to the UK aged 15, so learned the game away from this country. Where you grow up is to me what defines you.seth plum said:
Of course the local structures and the backing of the Lawn Tennis Association has been a huge factor in the emergence of Emma Raducanu.killerandflash said:
RubbishRickAddick said:
Feel sure her Romanian / Chinese heritage is what has got her to where she is.seth plum said:Please god Raducanu can handle the inevitable backlash that will come her way sometime. I think Emma is Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality. Her accident of birth has shaped her and one manifestation of that is hearing her speaking in Mandarin.Every so often a remarkable sportsperson emerges and Emma Raducanu is very special.
The whole world can admire her for what she is…sheer class.
If her British ancestry ran back a few generations, she would have capitulated at 5-3 in the second set and that would have been that!
Like all good Brits do.
She will be accepted as British only as long as she keeps winning...
Besides she's not someone who's lived in an international enclave, flying around the world to train at the best tennis academies. She grew up in the borough of Bromley, she went to school in Bromley, she learned to play tennis in Bromley. She's a triumph for BRITISH sport
Indeed she's more British than Virginia Wade, who spent most of her childhood in S Africa.
I was unaware that there are degrees of Britishness a la Virginia Wade. Emma Raducanu has British and Canadian dual nationality, I don't know if that is a factor in her Britishness, it is more likely to be a rules based formal status for her.
As well as regular visits to her father's family in Romania, where she is reportedly very close to her grandmother, I believe Emma went to China almost annually, probably for only a month at a time, but trained in the tennis facilities in Shenyang, where her mother is from, and where she also has a closeness to her maternal grandmother. In Shenyang a lot of her training was against boys when Emma was a young teenager.
Mrs Plum showed me a huge article this morning, but it was all Chinese characters, but there is clear photographic evidence of Emma participating in Tennis coaching in China, both in Shenyang and also Nanjing.
In 2018 Emma was also in some training and development at the Chinese national tennis centre in Nanjing.
https://www.thenanjinger.com/magazine/the-supplement/a-players-heaven-in-nanjing-the-tennis-academy-of-china/
In early relatively modest level tournaments Emma would have travelled internationally to compete. To an extent that early competitive experience was rather specialised and confined to a kind of tennis enclave.
Whatever Britishness does or doesn't mean, to me Emma Raducanu represents a young modern and hopeful face of internationalism, and she is likely to be embraced worldwide as a great sportswoman because she is blimmin good at tennis, her background being of lesser importance than her play.
Emma might have some summer training in China, but that's 1 month max in 12, and she's had a far more "domestic" life than most young tennis players, who get whisked off to training schools at a young age and are often home schooled so they can devote themselves to tennis, e.g. Osaka and Gauff.
Not the only factor though.0 -
A contributor way before me on this thread posted a Canadian flag, a Romanian flag, a Chinese flag, and the Bromley borough crest.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Well everyone else is calling her British, and you called her "Raducanuish rather than any particular nationality".seth plum said:
Are you referring to me as a 'usual suspect'?ValleyGary said:The usual suspects at it again….
Well done Emma. Brilliant occasion for British sport.
What is the 'it' that anybody is 'at'?
I have written that Emma Raducanu has a wide ranging background both personally and in her tennis.
I have characterised her achievement so far as being particularly individual.
If you think there is anything wrong or untrue about anything I have written, then why don't you say what it is?
A later poster added an England flag.
So ‘everyone else’ calling her ‘British’ was somehow being challenged before I turned up.
I believe it or not was trying to down play any nationality games by suggesting her achievements were particular to the character of Raducanu rather than nationality.
Did you see the series of national flags posted earlier?
I will ask you, if what I have posted is wrong and somehow confrontational then why? It isn’t as if what I have posted would jump out at the skim reader like a series of colourful flags is it?0 -
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He can't help himself.ValleyGary said:The usual suspects at it again….
Well done Emma. Brilliant occasion for British sport.
And yes she is brilliant for British sport.
Well done Emma indeed.4 -
Are you Joe Bugner?Addick Addict said:
Emmas's Dad can't speak Manadarin. Her Mum can't speak Romanian. So the only language that unites the three of them is English.Valleysarr said:
Nope. Mandarin to mum, Romanian to Dad and English to friends / coaches. She’s a clever girl.Addick Addict said:
They speak English which is Emma's native tongue and the language that links all three of them. Emma was also taught Mandarin by her Mum.Valleysarr said:
I don’t have a problem with it at all.soapboxsam said:Valleysarr said:Her colours were definitely Romanian. Born in Canada to Chinese and Romanian parents. A British superstar ?!
Very much a British super star with an international background is Emma Raducanu.
The Ex British Number 1 Joanna Konta was born in Sydney to Hungarian parents and her home is in Eastbourne since she was 14. Only got British Citizenship in 2013 when she was 21.
So many of the England football team and UK Athletics team have parents and grandparents from Africa and the Caribbean.
Where Emma is different from Konta and Greg Rusedski she learnt her tennis in England as she has has lived in England since was 2.
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If you know the history of tennis winning a slam as a teenager* doesn't mean you will dominate tennis as Tracey Austin and Maria Sharapova will testify but Emma Raducanu is in the records books and that's is etched on the trophy and our memories.
* Serena Williams is the exception.What language do you think they speak at home ???If your parents spoke a different language you wouldn’t just speak English to them would you ?
As for your assertion that "if your parents spoke a different language you wouldn't just speak English to them would you?" Mine didn't. And they were both Hungarian.
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And she’s a royalist too. What is there not to like about Emma.0
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One of the things I really like about the Murrays is that they do give back to British tennis, they always seem willing to help, whether with tactical or fitness advice or organising events like the Battle of the Brits event last yearLincsaddick said:
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