I haven't posted my thoughts on here since the farce played out on the Wycombe pitch on Sooper Saturday ( at Edgbaston..) but having finally trawled through those numerous words of wisdom above, I thought " Why not ? In for a penny."
My first question is around what our Great Dane might be thinking on the eve of his 3rd live match match on the trot. Will he be pondering on the current make up of the team involved in player scouting, recruitment, negotiations & finally management, wondering whether he has been naive in bringing in new blood to seemingly oversee these processes ? Has he already made up his mind on changes he'll make before heading back home ? Or will he decide to sleep on these issues until he's away from the maelstrom currently engulfing him ?
I sincerely hope that he has the b*lls to take the bull by its proverbials before his departure & make a definitive decision one way or another so that all concerned know where they stand & what is expected of them for the foreseeable future. It'll be down to those individuals involved to take his directives forward, with their roles for the rest of the season dependant on the results of his blueprint ( redprint!)
For me, there is no way that the current set up can continue without some serious changes sooner rather than later. Whether these are mainly on, off the pitch or indeed both, I know not but there are issues crying out for attention in all areas of our club.
I don't want to call for the gaffer's head, but if TS believes that the current occupant is not the man for the job, then so be it.
Likewise, should the cent have dropped with him realising that there are in fact, too many cooks around the management of the squad, then, again, this is the time to change the system.
Difficult decisions indeed but as a successful businessman, he will have made similar ones many times before....and inevitably learned lessons as a result.
And without SOMETHING significant changing any time soon, then his goal of a Valley filled to capacity will be merely a sad pipe dream. I believe he does realise that attendances are largely dependant on success on the pitch & will be aware at this early stage in the season, that the faithful are already very concerned at how this particular cookie is crumbling. The word" toxic" has been used on several occasions to describe the atmosphere around the stands & as such mustn't be allowed to spread.
But, I agree with other Lifers who have stated that what happens on the pitch cannot be seen in isolation - that those on the other side of the playing surface have an indirect, if not direct, influence on the former. There will be strong characters on both sides plus some who may be unsure of their ground ...and, as stated before, IMO the lack of an on site CEO will be a factor in how these play out.
It goes without saying that I am extremely concerned at this moment in time & with 3 matches in the next 8 days, the most cunning of cunning plans must be implemented, whatever that may mean.
Heads may have to roll and home truths may have to be told. It may not be pretty.
But if that's what it takes to turn around the current downward spiral, then so be it.
And there's only one man who can do it.
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Adkins Out? - Match Thread
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Well yeah, that’s kind of the nature of football and it’s fans, you get praised when we’re winning and slagged off when we’re losing.clb74 said:
We just chop and change then.BR7_addick said:
Why?clb74 said:
Nah.Lincsaddick said:I want him GONE .. BUT if we get wins tomorrow and on Saturday, I am happy if he gets a stay of 'execution' .. Nigel, keep winning and keep your job
If you want him gone , you want him gone.
None of this I want you gone BUT if you win 3 games I'll be singing your name from the rooftops.I want him gone, but would welcome a stay of execution if he gets back to back wins.
Can’t see it for love nor money, but what’s wrong with that position?
One minute calling for his head and sacked in the morning the next minute chanting his name in support.0 -
The comments at the fans forum probably shouldn't be read too deeply into - for one they were before the weekend game where (some) fans were actively calling for Adkins to go, for another regardless of his own thoughts and opinions I don't think Sandgaard is going to even suggest firing the manager.*
* This isn't a dig either - there's plenty of examples of coaches/managers getting "a vote of confidence" a week or two before they get sacked.5 -
Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.4 -
I've always saved the word Fickles for Palace fans.BR7_addick said:
Well yeah, that’s kind of the nature of football and it’s fans, you get praised when we’re winning and slagged off when we’re losing.clb74 said:
We just chop and change then.BR7_addick said:
Why?clb74 said:
Nah.Lincsaddick said:I want him GONE .. BUT if we get wins tomorrow and on Saturday, I am happy if he gets a stay of 'execution' .. Nigel, keep winning and keep your job
If you want him gone , you want him gone.
None of this I want you gone BUT if you win 3 games I'll be singing your name from the rooftops.I want him gone, but would welcome a stay of execution if he gets back to back wins.
Can’t see it for love nor money, but what’s wrong with that position?
One minute calling for his head and sacked in the morning the next minute chanting his name in support.0 -
The Wycombe game didn’t follow a couple of draws and a couple of wins tbough, did it?JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.
It followed one decentish performance and 5 dreadful ones.
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Sorry. But what a load of bs.JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.
That was a horrific performance. It absolutely was disastrous. Watch it back. There were periods where the players literally couldn’t string a pass together. Couldn’t defend our box. Couldn’t retain the ball when there was no pressure from an opposition player. No shots until that last minute false dawn when Wycombe stopped playing. It was disastrous, trust me. And it’s been that way since the season started.8 -
More than that. Stockley and Kirk were 900kCafc43v3r said:
You asked how much Adkins spent........clb74 said:
Cobbles was answering the question I asked.Cafc43v3r said:
That's not in dispute. Who spent it is.cabbles said:
I think I saw £1m all in including transfers and agents’ fees.clb74 said:
Also how much did Adkins get to spend in the transfer window?Todds_right_hook said:
He has lost 5/7 after being given a hefty transfer budget in comparison to bowyer.Croydon said:
Genuinely can't believe how quickly people have turned in him, and the extent of the dislike.clb74 said:Blimey.
Its almost like some of us want to go a goal down so we can get on his back.I don’t dislike him, I think he is underperforming massively which as a football manager, increases the risk of losing the fans support
The "club" spent about a million.0 -
Which I said in my post.Belv said:
The Wycombe game didn’t follow a couple of draws and a couple of wins tbough, did it?JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.
It followed one decentish performance and 5 dreadful ones.We tend to build up a head of steam on here. A few good wins and we’re definites for the automatics, a few defeats and we reach for the pitchforks.A few more and I might be reaching for mine as well, but not yet, not after the chaotic window which wasn’t down to him.1 -
It’s not just results, we’ve been shite in every game. We lack energy and creativity. Losing 2-1 to Wycombe isn’t the end of the world, losing like we did is much worse. Beating one poor side is the concern.JamesSeed said:
Which I said in my post.Belv said:
The Wycombe game didn’t follow a couple of draws and a couple of wins tbough, did it?JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.
It followed one decentish performance and 5 dreadful ones.We tend to build up a head of steam on here. A few good wins and we’re definites for the automatics, a few defeats and we reach for the pitchforks.A few more and I might be reaching for mine as well, but not yet, not after the chaotic window which wasn’t down to him.0 - Sponsored links:
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I thought Thomas was quoted as 2 Million. I could be wrong.cabbles said:
I think I saw £1m all in including transfers and agents’ fees.clb74 said:
Also how much did Adkins get to spend in the transfer window?Todds_right_hook said:
He has lost 5/7 after being given a hefty transfer budget in comparison to bowyer.Croydon said:
Genuinely can't believe how quickly people have turned in him, and the extent of the dislike.clb74 said:Blimey.
Its almost like some of us want to go a goal down so we can get on his back.I don’t dislike him, I think he is underperforming massively which as a football manager, increases the risk of losing the fans support0 -
Possibly, and yes, will try to watch it again. But the good spell at the end wasn’t last minute, it was ten minutes, although you could argue it sort of started when Blackett-Taylor came on, which was 27 mins from the end ? 👍Valley11 said:
Sorry. But what a load of bs.JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.
That was a horrific performance. It absolutely was disastrous. Watch it back. There were periods where the players literally couldn’t string a pass together. Couldn’t defend our box. Couldn’t retain the ball when there was no pressure from an opposition player. No shots until that last minute false dawn when Wycombe stopped playing. It was disastrous, trust me. And it’s been that way since the season started.
And the first 20 we did well too. Surprisingly so. That was the feeling amongst the crowd where I was (right behind the goal.) It was sad that when that good spell ended we got on their backs, and you could see heads dropping.
Anyway, my point is not so much that it hasn’t been shit, it largely has, but I’m not convinced at all that it’s down to one man. Are you?
BTW I’ve unfortunately seen every minute of every game this season, including all but one of the streamed friendlies.2 -
I’ll take that if that’s the conclusion you’ve drawn cos you’re not too wrong. In other news, water is wet.clb74 said:
I've always saved the word Fickles for Palace fans.BR7_addick said:
Well yeah, that’s kind of the nature of football and it’s fans, you get praised when we’re winning and slagged off when we’re losing.clb74 said:
We just chop and change then.BR7_addick said:
Why?clb74 said:
Nah.Lincsaddick said:I want him GONE .. BUT if we get wins tomorrow and on Saturday, I am happy if he gets a stay of 'execution' .. Nigel, keep winning and keep your job
If you want him gone , you want him gone.
None of this I want you gone BUT if you win 3 games I'll be singing your name from the rooftops.I want him gone, but would welcome a stay of execution if he gets back to back wins.
Can’t see it for love nor money, but what’s wrong with that position?
One minute calling for his head and sacked in the morning the next minute chanting his name in support.0 -
What's there not to smile about if your NAD's?Most people if they screw up in their job would be out during their probation period with a months salary or if you run your own business / self employed your in serious trouble by now.NAD's if sacked gets a nice juicy payout from only working 6months of a 3yr contract.I'm grateful to Tommy for saving the club, but he's underestimated the challenge and clearly bought in people i.e Ged Roddy & Wayne Mumford who have made a mess of recruitment and the marketing of Charlton.Time to take stock, get in a proper football CEO, and why not appoint Curbs on board along with proper football people who can help Tommy.It's all well and good, NADS & Tommy spouting "Positivity" but it wears thin when football is a results business and football is dire. Addick fans have had more than their fair share of a rough deal with crap owners, multiple relegations (8 for me) and dodgy managers to be bluffed i'm afraid this time around.Yes of course Lennie, Curbs, SCP times and Bows Wembley were the highlights but there have been more lowlights along the way and that's why NADS will be slaughtered in Kent tonight if we lose to Gillingham and hopefully out of the door quickly. Tommy I hope delays his flight back to USA and rolls up his sleeves up and gets on top of the mess we yet again find Charlton in.2
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Big day for Nigel today. He has to win, nothing else will do.1
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Wycombe wasn’t the worst performance in years, Cheltenham was worse. That being said from seven matches this season alone we probably have two or three contenders for the all time top ten already!JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
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It might not be but if the team fails he is seen to be the one responsible.addick1956 said:o
And isn't that the real problem. Being told to use yoofs while the money was withheld for decent players and then panic set in.ct_addick said:Feel for the guy in that he went thru preseason with half the U23's in the squad and now trying to bed in the new players due to the disastrous late transfer window strategy. Where I don't like him is the long-ball tactics and his inability to turn around a team going a goal down with a change in tactics. I give him the next 2 games and then assess our options.
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We have been told that Adkins is part of a team involved in recruitment. Because we don't know the percentage involvement of every member of that team, it is very difficult to 100% blame him. If say he approves a list, he has more responsibility than if players are landed on him.
You can bring in decent players but ultimately the manager knows what he needs better than anybody else. Ultimately, we don't have that information. We do see a shambles though but it is difficult to accurately apportion blame. Mind you, Adkins must have signed up to whatever system we have.2 -
The first half v Cheltenham was the real shocker. I was expecting worse at Wycombe, a trouncing, which is perhaps why I didn’t see it as as bad a performance as some.se9addick said:
Wycombe wasn’t the worst performance in years, Cheltenham was worse. That being said from seven matches this season alone we probably have two or three contenders for the all time top ten already!JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.Time to step up today.0 - Sponsored links:
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Both were terrible performances given the context of being played in League One.1
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I think it’s testament to how truly awful we’ve been this season that people are thinking we did quite well in the first 20 on Saturday just because we wasn’t played off the park.
We may not have been played off the park to begin with but we certainly carried no threat of our own.From memory, I can’t think of a single decent chance or shot on goal in the entire first half.
Maybe the first 20 minutes weren’t quite as bad as previous weeks but that’s about it, it’s some push to say we did quite well.2 -
We should have learned by now that the level in L1 isn’t as bad as it once was. We can’t just waltz into the Championship because we’re Charlton. How many massively easy wins have we had in L1 in recent years? I can barely remember any if I’m honest.MuttleyCAFC said:Both were terrible performances given the context of being played in League One.0 -
It was a trouncing in everything other than the score line.JamesSeed said:
The first half v Cheltenham was the real shocker. I was expecting worse at Wycombe, a trouncing, which is perhaps why I didn’t see it as as bad a performance as some.se9addick said:
Wycombe wasn’t the worst performance in years, Cheltenham was worse. That being said from seven matches this season alone we probably have two or three contenders for the all time top ten already!JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.Time to step up today.An even 10mins and lively last 5mins aside we were completely outplayed for the other 80mins
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Only one, the shot from Leko that was on target, but was deflected into the side netting. Not a lot to shout about I know. Second half we scored and had two ‘cleared off the line’ (Davison hit defenders who were standing on the line). Would have been hilariously undeserved (over the 90) if we’d score twice in the second half. Was never going to happen. A draw would also have been totally undeserved, but that happens in football.Belv said:I think it’s testament to how truly awful we’ve been this season that people are thinking we did quite well in the first 20 on Saturday just because we wasn’t played off the park.
We may not have been played off the park to begin with but we certainly carried no threat of our own.From memory, I can’t think of a single decent chance or shot on goal in the entire first half.
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Plymouth Away in terms of games played was not that long agoJamesSeed said:
We should have learned by now that the level in L1 isn’t as bad as it once was. We can’t just waltz into the Championship because we’re Charlton. How many massively easy wins have we had in L1 in recent years? I can barely remember any if I’m honest.MuttleyCAFC said:Both were terrible performances given the context of being played in League One.5 -
I was about to argue that we’ve been the victims of misleading score lines when we’ve totally dominated for ninety minutes and come away with a narrow win, or a draw. But actually can’t think of one in recent years. Which reinforces my point that L1 isn’t a walk in the park, even for a well run club, which we haven’t been.Maccn05 said:
It was a trouncing in everything other than the score line.JamesSeed said:
The first half v Cheltenham was the real shocker. I was expecting worse at Wycombe, a trouncing, which is perhaps why I didn’t see it as as bad a performance as some.se9addick said:
Wycombe wasn’t the worst performance in years, Cheltenham was worse. That being said from seven matches this season alone we probably have two or three contenders for the all time top ten already!JamesSeed said:Controversial view I know, but if the Wycombe game had followed a couple of draws and a couple of wins I don’t think it would have been viewed as one of the ‘worst performances in years’, which many have been calling it. Yes I know it followed other poor defeats, but it still deserves to be analysed as a separate game.We were poor yes, but for a struggling side up against a side who have recently recruited well after narrowly being relegated from the Championship it wasn’t a disastrous performance by any means. Particularly bearing in mind our issues in the transfer window.Even now we’re still having to rotate players because of fitness issues, so we’re still some way off being a settled side.Didn’t really see a lack of effort on Saturday either. Souare was flying in at every opportunity, Dobson and others too. I’m sure the players are desperate to be part of a winning side, does anyone really think they don’t?! It’s not like Adkins is making their lives a living hell so they want him out.
I don't think he should be sacked while we’re still (shamefully) in a position where we’re finding our feet.Time to step up today.An even 10mins and lively last 5mins aside we were completely outplayed for the other 80mins
If we’d have lost that 3-0 or 4-0 nobody could have complained(But it was more than 10 & 5 btw, not that that really makes any difference. There were five mins of injury time for one thing, and it began when CBT came on in the 68th minute. He showed the rest of the team what could be done, and it gave them a real lift. Not arguing that we were great or even that we deserved to draw, but you don’t need to make it any worse than it already was lol)0 -
True. There’s one then. 👍JohnnyH2 said:
Plymouth Away in terms of games played was not that long agoJamesSeed said:
We should have learned by now that the level in L1 isn’t as bad as it once was. We can’t just waltz into the Championship because we’re Charlton. How many massively easy wins have we had in L1 in recent years? I can barely remember any if I’m honest.MuttleyCAFC said:Both were terrible performances given the context of being played in League One.0 -
This season we have stunk the place out.
Gillingham this evening could be very grim, heavy handed police, tanked up lumpen Charlton fans, dreadful accommodation, cover of darkness, the real prospect of another thrashing….all the ingredients are there.1 -
Plymouth had nothing to play for in that game so I'm not sure they're not the greatest yardstick.JohnnyH2 said:
Plymouth Away in terms of games played was not that long agoJamesSeed said:
We should have learned by now that the level in L1 isn’t as bad as it once was. We can’t just waltz into the Championship because we’re Charlton. How many massively easy wins have we had in L1 in recent years? I can barely remember any if I’m honest.MuttleyCAFC said:Both were terrible performances given the context of being played in League One.0
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