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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Saints U21 Pap Trophy: Tuesday 5 October 2021

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  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Hopefully DJ isn't injured. We need him to be fitter and harder working, than out injured. 
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,460
    Leuth said:
    There's one hell of a player in Dobson, but this player seems to not like it when big horrible League One teams do big horrible things to him. Maybe our patience will be rewarded 

    Our patience... That made me chuckle. He was written off after a couple of matches by many!

    He's a good player and has started over 100 league 1 games in his career so I think he can handle big horrible league 1.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited October 2021
    That penalty Matthews gave away was pretty embarrassing. It's like the guy has given up.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    jimmymelrose said:
    cafctom said:
    Have attended both of the Papa Johns games this season and enjoyed them. 

    I actually would like to see us have a go at this competition if we can. Why not?
    Because it's an embarrassing competition to be involved in.

    I would rather we had a go at the FA Cup and League Cup rather than always saying that we have to 'concentrate on the league.'

    Having said that, I'm glad those that attended enjoyed it and if it's good practise for our reserves then that's a good thing.

    I just don't want to see us getting excited about it even if we win the dumb thing because it is totally of no value.
    I get your point, none of us really want to be in this competition the same as none of us want to be in league one. But we are, and with the draw split into north/south and us having (in my opinion) a decent squad it's a realistic chance of getting to Wembley.

    The league cup is not. Only Sunderland from outside the top two tiers have made the fourth round.
    The FA cup is certainly not either.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Just tell me palace u21s are out please .
    even the shameless amongst you wouldn’t want the ignominy of a first team fixture against them surely 
    imagine a final against them , sickening … or even against another clubs u21

    Yes I’ll take the kids to Wembley if we get there , it’s hardly a trophy to be proud of …. Entrance requirement   play at your shittiest lowest level in your entire League history .

  • Kips
    Kips Posts: 689
    jimmymelrose said:
    cafctom said:
    Have attended both of the Papa Johns games this season and enjoyed them. 

    I actually would like to see us have a go at this competition if we can. Why not?
    Because it's an embarrassing competition to be involved in.

    I would rather we had a go at the FA Cup and League Cup rather than always saying that we have to 'concentrate on the league.'

    Having said that, I'm glad those that attended enjoyed it and if it's good practise for our reserves then that's a good thing.

    I just don't want to see us getting excited about it even if we win the dumb thing because it is totally of no value.
    Oh jimmy jimmy would ya would ya would ya go to wembley
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited October 2021
    Morgan > Pearce Miss > Stockley Goal

    Kirk > Morgan > Dobson > Purrington Goal

    Morgan > Stockley goal

    Involved in all three goals and created other chances too. Got the ball to Kirk several times early doors and to CBT many times towards the end. Either better players make Albie look better or worse players make him seem worse.

    I know many don't see it, but in the Shinnie assist the assister type role, Morgan could be very good. Question is whether we can afford that luxury in our formation and whether he can add goals himself.

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Are we actually taking this game seriously?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    The Red Robin said:
    Are we actually taking this game seriously?
    Not entirely, but it's a game so we discuss it like we do any game including preseason friendlies surely? 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    edited October 2021

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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Dazzler21 said:
    Morgan > Pearce Miss > Stockley Goal

    Kirk > Morgan > Dobson > Purrington Goal

    Morgan > Stockley goal

    Involved in all three goals and created other chances too. Got the ball to Kirk several times early doors and to CBT many times towards the end. Either better players make Albie look better or worse players make him seem worse.

    I know many don't see it, but in the Shinnie assist the assister type role, Morgan could be very good. Question is whether we can afford that luxury in our formation and whether he can add goals himself.

    I wouldn’t drop Gilbey, Lee or Arter for Morgan. Would you?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/jayden-stockley-leaves-charlton-athletic-boss-nigel-adkins-with-selection-dilemma/

  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Matthews and DJ were trying hard to be effective going forward, Matthews was generally available in a progressive sense, he wasn’t that bad yesterday notwithstanding the penalty.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,918
    edited October 2021
    Enjoyed it as background TV, cant justify paying £10 again though for it.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Leuth said:
    FA straight up handing Stockley 10 in Player Marks like it's sodding Christmas 

  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,812
    decent win, just watched Jackos post match interview, always enjoy hearing him speak......top dog 'in waiting'

    I get the feeling if he was in charge we would play in a different way
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,454
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1THD4dc5E
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    clive said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1THD4dc5E
    There's some good bits of play and shocking marking for their goal.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    Re why get Henderson in if we've got Harness, I'd guess the idea is to let the latter go on loan in January.
  • kafka
    kafka Posts: 2,368
    oohaahmortimer said:

    Streaming definitely has a big impact on these games. I happily paid a tenner rather than a 140 mile round trip that I do for league home games. 
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    Awful defending from Matthews......but that's the standard we are now at.

    Re Morgan. I've always said that he is a great passer of the ball & is great at finding players or putting someone in on goal. Definitely not a number 10, more like a deep lying playmaker like Jan Molby.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,012
    AddicksAddict said:
    Re why get Henderson in if we've got Harness, I'd guess the idea is to let the latter go on loan in January.
    I assume the thinking would've been that we needed another keeper with experience because if MacGillivray got injured then Harness would've been in at the deep end, and then Beadle as the sub keeper. 

    Obviously there's a chance Harness would do well, but if the budget allowed us to sign another experienced keeper then it's a no brainer not to. 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    AddicksAddict said:
    Re why get Henderson in if we've got Harness, I'd guess the idea is to let the latter go on loan in January.
    I assume the thinking would've been that we needed another keeper with experience because if MacGillivray got injured then Harness would've been in at the deep end, and then Beadle as the sub keeper. 

    Obviously there's a chance Harness would do well, but if the budget allowed us to sign another experienced keeper then it's a no brainer not to. 
    Exactly.
    Imagine having to throw Harness in pre-Fleetwood when everybody was calling for the managers head and players were being booed off. Talk about baptism of fire - it might have scarred him for good
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Dazzler21 said:
    Morgan > Pearce Miss > Stockley Goal

    Kirk > Morgan > Dobson > Purrington Goal

    Morgan > Stockley goal

    Involved in all three goals and created other chances too. Got the ball to Kirk several times early doors and to CBT many times towards the end. Either better players make Albie look better or worse players make him seem worse.

    I know many don't see it, but in the Shinnie assist the assister type role, Morgan could be very good. Question is whether we can afford that luxury in our formation and whether he can add goals himself.

    My thoughts exactly.

    In a system with 2 out and out wingers, he's really effective as the link between defence and them, setting up chances for them - the Kirk chance that he skied and a couple for DJ - but also setting them free to run into space and create danger. His passing helped make CBT really dangerous when he came on - 3 times in a few minutes in the match thread I typed Morgan passes to CBT who creates a good chance (for Stockley, Purrington, Claydon)

    Lee might do some nice stuff around the box, but is more of a second striker, meaning we are in danger of a 424 formation as he's not that good defensively and a gap between the attacking 4 and the 2 midfielders. I'd be worried about playing with just the 2 midfielders against the better teams.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    kafka said:
    oohaahmortimer said:

    Streaming definitely has a big impact on these games. I happily paid a tenner rather than a 140 mile round trip that I do for league home games. 
    Yes, it's a bit unfair to compare the numbers as in previous years streaming wasn't a LEGAL option for such midweek games
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Leuth said:
    There's one hell of a player in Dobson, but this player seems to not like it when big horrible League One teams do big horrible things to him. Maybe our patience will be rewarded 
    I have seen signs of that player from day  one and I think he will come good for us.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    I know it was just a game against some children they found wandering around Redbridge, but that was a quality attacking performance from Purrington. He's slow and he's a bit steady but he's actually a capable player once he gets forward. He scored and was unlucky not to put away the attempts he had for the first goal before Stockley finished it. He's now got 6 goals for us in 86 appearances, which is more than some of our best fullbacks got combined, and across a hell of a lot more matches. He's a decent player and we're in a good place having him and Souare at this level
  • Dugdaleclass
    Dugdaleclass Posts: 554
    Enjoyed the game. Allows the management team to try out combinations and partnerships. Thought Clare and Dobson both played well again. Some of Dobson's switch play was very sweet indeed. Morgan was very positive and was involved with the goals. Purrington had a stormer and Harness continues to develop as a real prospect. The penalty save was good but what really impressed was the quality of his distribution.

    DJ is a worry as he was given lots of good ball but just seemed to make the wrong decision every time. Even when he got a cross in, it was a kind of scooped affair with little pace. Kirk had some promising link up play with Purrington but most of his play fizzles out. Had another chance with a shot. and again, he fluffed his lines. 

    Terrific cameo from CBT. First time he gets the ball he is handing Stockley his hat trick on a plate (somehow missed by the big man). Probably someone like Chucks who can't do the full 90, but CBT has to be in that squad every week.
  • SheedyCAFC
    SheedyCAFC Posts: 1,245
    I never bet on Charlton ever, but for some reason I put money on us winning 4-0, that Southampton goal felt like a real sucker punch. Serves me right really.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Not sounding a spoilsport but it was a similar pre-season team getting glowing performances and good results in pre-season. Something happens when they play against experienced, intent and well trained opposition. 

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