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  • Whilst simultaneously playing a through ball to put Verstappen clear through on goal.
    You do have to wonder how comfortable Verstappen would have been overtaking Hamilton, whilst at the same time worrying about Sainz on his tail - Instead Sainz had two (?) backmarkers to get past, whilst fending off Ricciardo.
  • Rothko said:
    Any feel for who gains from that, or too early? 
    I don’t think anyone will have a clue until testing but probably not any huge surprises due to the budgets

    Hoping for a competitive Ferrari car at the least
  • Who is it on here who works for Hamilton's team - not sure if directly or indirectly?
  • edited December 2021
    I’m a big Hamilton fan on a few levels and I was gutted to see him lose this way as he was the best driver / had the best car on the day.

    Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.

    Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
  • I’m a big Hamilton fan on a few levels and I was gutted to see him lose this way as he was the best driver / had the best car on the day.

    Im not one for conspiracy theories, I think though that as a sport Its basically a travelling circus and they rushed to get the final lap in as any circus would want a grand finale.

    Onwards and upwards for Lewis I’m sure he will get over it.
    I think you are 100% correct but it is more than a circus and it has to remember that. Hamilton wins another title and this season enhances his legacy IMO. He hasn't lost anything really. Masi will have this against him for the rest of his days. 
  • I knew somebody who went to work for formula one who I believe at the time worked out of Biggin Hill.
    Their job was elaborate rigging related to all the technology and what not that is established at each racetrack.
    The job entailed world travel, but the wonder of it was that they would be required to work every other race rather than every single race.
    I presume there were two parallel teams of support staff working for the F1 organisation.
  • Gutted that Hamilton was robbed of the title however, and despite all the ongoing shenanigans about the WDC, congratulations to Mercedes for winning eight constructor titles in a row (all the constructor’s titles of the hybrid era!)!
  • Who is it on here who works for Hamilton's team - not sure if directly or indirectly?
    My business handles his commercial and brand partnerships.
  • I don't think it has been corrupt in terms of favouring a driver, but in terms of trying to maintain the excitement. Last week was too far, as was Brazil before that and this week became a farce. A farce doesn't help the sport in the long run. 
    Agreed. It's like a Simon Cowell show where they manipulate the events, not because he's biased towards a particular candidate, but to maintain excitement and headlines

    Except this is meant to be a sport.
  • I think you are 100% correct but it is more than a circus and it has to remember that. Hamilton wins another title and this season enhances his legacy IMO. He hasn't lost anything really. Masi will have this against him for the rest of his days. 
    Agree with you entirely. 

    Funnily enough I always find Masi’s voice very calming. They should probably have him reading some soothing words for a podcast to help those of us who have difficulty sleeping :)

    He did sound a bit frazzled though when he was trying to get the safety car dealt with at the end of the race.
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  • Seems to me that Masi didnt like the Stewards ruling on the first lap manoeuvres and so decided to even it up on the last one.

    In a sport where drivers are going at speeds of 200 mph any instructions given over the radio must be clear, concise and given with plenty of warning......and also not changed minutes later.

    Mercedes - "Are backmarkers going to be allowed to unlap themselves"

    Masi - " No"

    Red Bull - " but they are usually allowed to"

    Masi  - " well, alright then".
  • Rothko said:
    Any feel for who gains from that, or too early? 
    Any team that naffed off this season for next season will have a fighting chance. Remember the last huge overhaul of the cars resulted in Toyota, Brawn (with a Honda designed car) and Williams having a headstart on everyone else.

    Stranger things have happened, could see a 2022 season that starts with Aston Martin, Haas and Alpine as the teams to beat
  • I’ve just read that the FIA don’t recognise CAS. Not sure if true and if it does, mean anything.
  • edited December 2021
    I'm trying to think of another massive sporting moment where the ending just seemed so unjust 
  • Why was Sainz not allowed ‘to race’ in the restart by being left behind lapped runners. 
  • I think we have to accept it’s a TV show now, sporting integrity has been ditched for entertainment.
  • I don't think Masi was bothered about Sainz. He wanted a one lap shoot out between Verstappen and Hamilton on the final lap and engineered it. Unfortunately, Hamilton had no chance with his tyres. What would have been a better spectacle was to put out the red flag straight away. This would have allowed for excitement and whilst not being fair on Hamilton would have been fairer on him and given the winner to win the race in a slightly less controversial way. But the bloke is a tool of the highest order and has shown it through the season.
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  • I'm trying to think of another massive sporting moment where the ending just seemed so unjust 
    Winning the toss in some cricket matches is not the same but massively affects the outcome unfairly

  • Winning the toss in some cricket matches is not the same but massively affects the outcome unfairly

    But that’s not the umpire manipulating the events to get a result 
  • Respectfully, could Seth and anyone arguing with him pack it in please?

    This thread has had some fiery arguments in the past, but it’s generally been about the racing. 
    I’d hate for the thread to be closed because of other arguments becoming personal and crossing the line.
    That’s all very well……but the blokes a twat..🤭
  • I try not to respond to your trolling anymore because I find it tiresome. 
    But the reason people pile in on you is because you try to introduce politics into every thread. 
    This thread is about formula one and you bring in right wing nationalistic comments. 
    You do yourself no favours mate.
    Plus he’s a twat.😏
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  • I have also slept on it and agree there is no point in changing the tarnished result now. However the FIA now have a simple decision to make.
    This is whether their Race Director knew  that the decision he took would have such a major impact on a race outcome or not. If they believe he did it in full knowledge then he should be sacked for bias. If he did not understand the outcome of the decision he should be sacked for incompetence.
    The media companies should also push for this to maintain the value of the sport.
  • edited December 2021
    Some people don't like Hamilton and it clouds their judgement. I don't know him but I recognise his talent which is prodigious. I also recognise his great sportsmanship yesterday. If you don't you need to take a look at yourself.

    As for Wolff, I can understand him reacting in this way but it won't benefit the sport. But I say sport and have to question myself which is wrong. F1 has a history of injustice but it seems to want to embrace it rather than address it. It has me questioning my support for the sport/circus.



  • It still feels wrong how it ended , but it kind of sums this season up. Some absolutely brilliant racing punctuated by some of the worst race direction/stewarding I've seen.

    The only person that needs to be looked at is Masi , and the FIA and the teams need to sit down and clear up some of these rules. There's too much room for interpretation as opposed to hard and fast " do this and this is the consequences.  I don't know if they need to look at having the same team of stewards everywhere , I know the drivers steward rotates based on who's available, I seem to recall Johnny Herbert being called away from Sky to do it one weekend.

    2022 should be very very interesting, I'd love to see McLaren and Ferrari back in the title fight for a real 4-5 way battle. Putting another driver like Leclerc who's massively quick and equally like Max, prone to some slightly questionable defending in the title mix would be fascinating.
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