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Jake Forster-Caskey (ed. Signs a new contract extension to 2021)
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I fully get that JFC has been dreadfully unlucky with the 2 major injuries he has suffered and I totally supported giving him a contract for the season as we had a duty of care to him.
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For the ignorant (me) how susceptible will he now be to a future recurrence of this or any other knee related breakdown?
Quite apart from the fact that it will take some time to play his way back to match fitness and form (assuming he does).
I'm ambivalent about this because whilst I agree that at his best he is a real asset at the same time I am fed up to the back teeth of this club being the outstanding annual candidate for the "Nursemaid of the year" awards.
If I hear the phrases "manage his game time", "can't be risked for 90 minutes" "can't play 2 games in a week" or "has a minor niggle, see you in 3 months" (okay I made that one up. Or did I?) once more I think I might be inclined to go in 2 footed on our physio's.
What's worse it always seems to be our best or key players.
For heavens sake stop buying, or re-buying, or persisting with crocks.5 -
JFC has had a couple of pens aswell which inflates the figrues slightlythenewbie said:
13 so far in 111 appearances. So about the same rate as Gilbey (6 in 58).Redrobo said:The big difference between JFC and the rest of our current midfielders is that he scores goals.
I like him and rate him highly but let's not get carried away here.0 -
That's really the root of the problem, for a player to have suffered several such severe injuries in a short period is either incredibly unlucky or they are unfortunately quite fragile (relatively speaking.)
There's a decent chance that once he's fit again that will be it and beyond the odd sprain or twisted ankle that all players sometimes get he'll be back to playing regularly, but it's also possible that he will be forever more nearly but not quite fit due to managing his injuries and fitness and never getting fully recovered.
Not his fault at all and if it was just him he'd probably get the contract because he's good enough to take the chance on. But unfortunately for him (and us) Inniss and Aneke are also in the same boat.1 -
I agree with the sentiments but I think for the quality we know he has he's worth the risk for at least another season or 2 on a contract. Probably 1 season + optional extension.
This season has 8 games left so he's not going to get a lot of game time during this season, so he should get a full pre-season with us to get fully up to speed before playing lots of game time, which should hopefully protect him and give him to build his durability, and enable him to properly sharp for the new season.3 -
We could field a pretty good team based on our disabled, geriatric and injured.0
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He scores one type of goal: inexplicably terrible ones. I don't think I've ever seen a JFC goal that wasn't an absolute travesty of goalkeeping and physics. I love when he scores because you then get to unpick how the hell anyone allowed it to happen each time.Sage said:I think he scores different types of goals. He can score from a free kick for example, something I don’t think anyone in our current team can do.
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He is even an option as LWB, played there against Fulham and was excellent. One of his best qualities is his delivery, which is wasted a little in central midfield.0
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If he could stay fit he would be perfect with Dobbo as a pair. Unfortunately I don’t see us being that lucky with him0
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Rather JFC taking pens than Stockley tbhTodds_right_hook said:
JFC has had a couple of pens aswell which inflates the figrues slightlythenewbie said:
13 so far in 111 appearances. So about the same rate as Gilbey (6 in 58).Redrobo said:The big difference between JFC and the rest of our current midfielders is that he scores goals.
I like him and rate him highly but let's not get carried away here.1 -
As long as we don't target other injury prone dross then a squad carrying him and Aneke would be fine. Need to move on the others like Innis, Matthews and Pearce though.1
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And those are the better ones! His goals were atrocious last season. The free kick against Wigan that the keeper collapsed over, the goal against Wimbledon that was an assist by the keeper, the one against Rochdale that the defender deflected over the keeper, the weird header against Plymouth that the defender handballed in. All of it awful.Dazzler21 said:
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All pitted against the Gilbey one against Sunderland where his attempt at a shot was so bad it ended up being a through-ball to himself0
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They all hit the back of the net though, that's all that mattersGarrymanilow said:
And those are the better ones! His goals were atrocious last season. The free kick against Wigan that the keeper collapsed over, the goal against Wimbledon that was an assist by the keeper, the one against Rochdale that the defender deflected over the keeper, the weird header against Plymouth that the defender handballed in. All of it awful.Dazzler21 said:2 -
Atrocious and awful goals!!!!! Beggars can't be choosers tbf...and a fit JFC is streets ahead of our current midfielders in his all round game IMHO. Just hope he can get fit.Todds_right_hook said:
They all hit the back of the net though, that's all that mattersGarrymanilow said:
And those are the better ones! His goals were atrocious last season. The free kick against Wigan that the keeper collapsed over, the goal against Wimbledon that was an assist by the keeper, the one against Rochdale that the defender deflected over the keeper, the weird header against Plymouth that the defender handballed in. All of it awful.Dazzler21 said:2 -
To be fair, I see a lot of really top quality deliveries in that video, and the second goal is a fantastic finish out of the keepers reach.
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The third one in his hat trick at The Valley was a curler into the top corner IMSC. Great goal.Garrymanilow said:
He scores one type of goal: inexplicably terrible ones. I don't think I've ever seen a JFC goal that wasn't an absolute travesty of goalkeeping and physics. I love when he scores because you then get to unpick how the hell anyone allowed it to happen each time.Sage said:I think he scores different types of goals. He can score from a free kick for example, something I don’t think anyone in our current team can do.I don’t think it was a cross.0 -
A real positive today. Got amongst it and made some lovely passes. Thinking JFC put the corner in for the goal.6
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A lovely composed performance.
He got the ball and seemed to have so much time, before threading through a decent pass.
Class players always seem to have time.8 -
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Perfect game for a come back from a long term injury as it was 10 v 10 and players were tiring; this gave him the space he would need at this stage of his recovery
And he shone
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Agree albeit 10 v 10 was a factor in that.Covered End said:A lovely composed performance.
He got the ball and seemed to have so much time, before threading through a decent pass.
Class players always seem to have time.
He was class above and Clare, Dobson, JFC is our best central midfield.0 -
Even after so long out he looked a notch or two above anything else in the team. The thing is, even if he’d been fit in 18/19, he wouldn’t have started many games in Bowyer’s midfield and that is the kind of standard we are trying to reach.
Maybe JFC has improved since then, but it says a lot about the rest of the team and how far we have to go.1 -
Bet we wouldnt have brought Cullen or Bielik in had JFC been fit that yearExiled_Addick said:Even after so long out he looked a notch or two above anything else in the team. The thing is, even if he’d been fit in 18/19, he wouldn’t have started many games in Bowyer’s midfield and that is the kind of standard we are trying to reach.
Maybe JFC has improved since then, but it says a lot about the rest of the team and how far we have to go.1 -
Big slice of luck that both of them turned out to be better than him.ForeverAddickted said:
Bet we wouldnt have brought Cullen or Bielik in had JFC been fit that yearExiled_Addick said:Even after so long out he looked a notch or two above anything else in the team. The thing is, even if he’d been fit in 18/19, he wouldn’t have started many games in Bowyer’s midfield and that is the kind of standard we are trying to reach.
Maybe JFC has improved since then, but it says a lot about the rest of the team and how far we have to go.
Agree that there was a noticeable difference after he entered the game. A couple of really lovely passes into dangerous areas.
If he’s up to a start after getting half hour today, I think it would be worthwhile trying him together with Dobson and Lee/Morgan for the Wimbledon game. Fraser needs a rest and Gilbey suspended.0 -
I'd rather keep him on the bench. Not that he isn't good enough to start, but rather I don't him to pick up a muscle injury that would rule him out for the rest of the seasonCallumcafc said:
Big slice of luck that both of them turned out to be better than him.ForeverAddickted said:
Bet we wouldnt have brought Cullen or Bielik in had JFC been fit that yearExiled_Addick said:Even after so long out he looked a notch or two above anything else in the team. The thing is, even if he’d been fit in 18/19, he wouldn’t have started many games in Bowyer’s midfield and that is the kind of standard we are trying to reach.
Maybe JFC has improved since then, but it says a lot about the rest of the team and how far we have to go.
Agree that there was a noticeable difference after he entered the game. A couple of really lovely passes into dangerous areas.
If he’s up to a start after getting half hour today, I think it would be worthwhile trying him together with Dobson and Lee/Morgan for the Wimbledon game. Fraser needs a rest and Gilbey suspended.0 -
He looked our best player within minutes of being on the pitch.
It was nice to have a player on the pitch, playing with his head up and looking to make incisive passes.
As good as Dobson has been (wirhout doubt our POTY), he is no JFC. Although without Dobson this season we'd have really been in the deep brown stuff.5 -
I think this is a myth, often repeated but that doesn't make it true. We played 4 central midfielders, we didn't have 4 better than him. Reeves, Ward, Marshall, Lapslie, Morgan even Pratley played loads of games in that midfield. JFC is a significantly better player than all of them were then.Exiled_Addick said:Even after so long out he looked a notch or two above anything else in the team. The thing is, even if he’d been fit in 18/19, he wouldn’t have started many games in Bowyer’s midfield and that is the kind of standard we are trying to reach.
Maybe JFC has improved since then, but it says a lot about the rest of the team and how far we have to go.
We probably wouldn't have signed one of Bielik or Cullen if he was fit but those 2, JFC and Aribo would have been the best midfield in the divison, by a distance.0 -
Maybe he’d have played left side of the diamond with Aribo pushed forward, but he wasn’t going to dislodge Aribo, Cullen, or Bielik. Either way, he was, at best, 4th best midfielder at the club that season, one where we had to take the playoff route (albeit that side was probably good enough to win automatic promotion most seasons).Anyway, that isn’t the point I was trying to make. JFC is a good player and I’m not seeking to diminish that. My point is that his cameo yesterday only went to further highlight how far off the required standard most of the rest are because, if we are going to get automatic promotion next season (which is the stated aim however far fetched it might seem right now), we are going to need to sign players not only as good as JFC, but probably some who are better than him too.3
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Next season’s club captain?
Looking at what we have, he’d be my choice. Between him and Lavelle.0
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