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Rumours of Unpaid Rent
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So in his first tweet he knew it was 3 months - FACTThen in his second tweet after it was pointed out 3months would mean no arrears as it is likely due tomorrow it changes to "overdue significantly".
If I was TS I would have paid nothing to RD from the moment I took over upto and including June 2021 as you would have been protected by the rent moratorium. So I would have 2-3 quarters of arrears and tell RD to take me to arbitration over it on the basis I would probably do a deal to pay 50% in the end. Then I would start paying in accordance with the lease.
So it is very possible we have arrears for the Covid period but RD can do nothing about them anyway.5 -
Yes, Golfie it is. It dates back to the medieval period. The Kings used to send round their tax collectors on the holy days. So commercial rents followed suit and they are the days traditionally used for settling debts.golfaddick said:
Is this a thing ? Never knew that. Woupd live to know why. Anyone know the history behind it.cafcfan said:
Exactly the quarter days are 25 March (Lady Day*), 24 June (Midsummer Day), 29 September (Michaelmas) and 25 December (you know what this is). So the rent wouldn't have been paid for three months.Off_it said:Maybe the bloke doesn't realise that commercial rents are generally paid quarterly?
* Used to be called Woman Day but Thomas insisted it was changed.
The 25 December thing is why so many retail outfits go bust just before Christmas when trading hasn't been as good as expected and they can't afford the rent.
As they say....every day is a school day.
(I suspect for many of the poor Christmas Day was anything but fun. Cough up all your money to the Government and your Landlord on Xmas Day and then pop down the church and chuck what you had left in the priest's offertory box.)4 -
No denial by Ray Lynn adds to the conspiracy6
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It's very historic (Middle Ages) and were usually the days when school started, rents were due and servants were employed.golfaddick said:
Is this a thing ? Never knew that. Woupd live to know why. Anyone know the history behind it.cafcfan said:
Exactly the quarter days are 25 March (Lady Day*), 24 June (Midsummer Day), 29 September (Michaelmas) and 25 December (you know what this is). So the rent wouldn't have been paid for three months.Off_it said:Maybe the bloke doesn't realise that commercial rents are generally paid quarterly?
* Used to be called Woman Day but Thomas insisted it was changed.
The 25 December thing is why so many retail outfits go bust just before Christmas when trading hasn't been as good as expected and they can't afford the rent.
As they say....every day is a school day.
When I worked for the Woolwich in their insurance division people with mortgages who took their insurance with The Woolwich had one of 4 renewal dates, 25/3, 24/6, 29/9 and 25/12.
They are known as the Quarter days and tie in with four broadly religious festivals.
I've a feeling someone said to me once that other than December it relates to the number of letters in the month;
March has 5 so 25th
June has 4 so 24th
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Very educational, this thread. Quarterlies and religious festivals, interesting.
As for the rumour...pfffft.....why would he be completely rebuilding the club if he's ran out of bunce?
Smells like total cack to me.5 -
If Roland is waiting for his money and got a bit of a sweat on I am glad about it.I had a contract at The Valley for years worth thousands of pounds per annum and as soon as RD took over with the wicked witch regular payments became a thing of the past.Had to start court proceedings twice to get paid it was that bad.12
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So to summarise the rumours we’ve had this summer so far:
- John Marquis is signing
- John Bostock is signing
- Spain trip cancelled
- TS hasn’t paid rent and it’s well overdue
Anything else?11 -
I noticed the person who originally posted the rumour has since said no bills other than wages have been paid for two months. Two months ago Jokat was appointed…0
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Looks like someone’s been messaging TS.17
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TS must be fed up of this nonsense.58
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Who told you that was the last time we didn't pay the rent?addick1956 said:
The last time someone didn't pay the rent this club came within 5 minutes of extinction, maybe less. That owner was Mark Hulyer who bought the club and separated it from the ground leaving Michael Glikstein as landlord in a similar way to RD now.Garrymanilow said:Is this a story that we haven't paid rent to Roland for three months? Good, fuck Roland.
It isn't any good say "Fuck Roland, good" because he could fuck the club in that case.
I am not saying or even believing that TS hasn't paid the rent.
I am just recounting that we nearly died and spent 7 years on resuscitation at Sellout Park and Upton Park.
Was it one of these players you know who doesn't want to join us? Or is this just more old pony?3 -
So Brian Jokat has got the heave-ho because he hasn't paid a bill in two months, which was presumably the job of someone in Finance anyway?Scoham said:I noticed the person who originally posted the rumour has since said no bills other than wages have been paid for two months. Two months ago Jokat was appointed…
What's the FD doing in this story? In what business does a COO run day to day operating expenditure?
There could at least be some degree of effort put into this stuff.6 -
Needs to do his trial at Swindon first.Mendonca In Asdas said:Forget the rent story, are we still signing Marquis?8 -
addick1956 said:
The last time someone didn't pay the rent this club came within 5 minutes of extinction, maybe less. That owner was Mark Hulyer who bought the club and separated it from the ground leaving Michael Glikstein as landlord in a similar way to RD now.Garrymanilow said:Is this a story that we haven't paid rent to Roland for three months? Good, fuck Roland.
It isn't any good say "Fuck Roland, good" because he could fuck the club in that case.
I am not saying or even believing that TS hasn't paid the rent.
I am just recounting that we nearly died and spent 7 years on resuscitation at Sellout Park and Upton Park.
Indeed. I don't know what it achieves.
It's a contract agreement. Not paying rent won't affect Roland for the long term.
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Yes. As the new COOMendonca In Asdas said:Forget the rent story, are we still signing Marquis?0 -
Been implied on the thread on twitter that Jokat has left because we didn't pay the rent, not been sacked because he was at fault for not paying. No proof of anything yet of courseISawLeaburnScore said:
So Brian Jokat has got the heave-ho because he hasn't paid a bill in two months, which was presumably the job of someone in Finance anyway?Scoham said:I noticed the person who originally posted the rumour has since said no bills other than wages have been paid for two months. Two months ago Jokat was appointed…
What's the FD doing in this story? In what business does a COO run day to day operating expenditure?
There could at least be some degree of effort put into this stuff.0 -
ESI you meanaddick1956 said:
Go and check the fucking history...Off_it said:
Who told you that was the last time we didn't pay the rent?addick1956 said:
The last time someone didn't pay the rent this club came within 5 minutes of extinction, maybe less. That owner was Mark Hulyer who bought the club and separated it from the ground leaving Michael Glikstein as landlord in a similar way to RD now.Garrymanilow said:Is this a story that we haven't paid rent to Roland for three months? Good, fuck Roland.
It isn't any good say "Fuck Roland, good" because he could fuck the club in that case.
I am not saying or even believing that TS hasn't paid the rent.
I am just recounting that we nearly died and spent 7 years on resuscitation at Sellout Park and Upton Park.
Was it one of these players you know who doesn't want to join us? Or is this just more old pony?
The rent was paid at Sellout and John Humphrey a full back of considerable note for CAFC was used to pay some of it owed when the club left there.
We left Upton owing nothing and until Thomas arrived, from 1992 the club owner also owned the ground and training ground.
By the way I never claimed to know anyone who didn't want to join Charlton. I said he had , in your vernacular, dissed the club on line. He clearly did want to join because he did.
Unless you know of any instance I have missed shut up .
Stick that up the back orifice you seem to talk out off.7 -
Lol, you're a right angry one.addick1956 said:
Go and check the fucking history...Off_it said:
Who told you that was the last time we didn't pay the rent?addick1956 said:
The last time someone didn't pay the rent this club came within 5 minutes of extinction, maybe less. That owner was Mark Hulyer who bought the club and separated it from the ground leaving Michael Glikstein as landlord in a similar way to RD now.Garrymanilow said:Is this a story that we haven't paid rent to Roland for three months? Good, fuck Roland.
It isn't any good say "Fuck Roland, good" because he could fuck the club in that case.
I am not saying or even believing that TS hasn't paid the rent.
I am just recounting that we nearly died and spent 7 years on resuscitation at Sellout Park and Upton Park.
Was it one of these players you know who doesn't want to join us? Or is this just more old pony?
The rent was paid at Sellout and John Humphrey a full back of considerable note for CAFC was used to pay some of it owed when the club left there.
We left Upton owing nothing and until Thomas arrived, from 1992 the club owner also owned the ground and training ground.
By the way I never claimed to know anyone who didn't want to join Charlton. I said he had , in your vernacular, dissed the club on line. He clearly did want to join because he did.
Unless you know of any instance I have missed shut up .
Stick that up the back orifice you seem to talk out off.
So, in summary, you DO know it wasn't the last time we didn't pay the rent on time then, because you've said yourself Humphrey was sold to pay the rent owed at Selhurst. And that's before we even consider the ESI jokers!
Carry on.2 -
It’s a smelly pile of BS.0
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Hearing a rumour that it was Ben Watson who wasn't paying the rent and that's why he was let go. Nothing to do with Jokat9
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Surely we’d have a new fangled standing order set up?Croydon said:
Been implied on the thread on twitter that Jokat has left because we didn't pay the rent, not been sacked because he was at fault for not paying. No proof of anything yet of courseISawLeaburnScore said:
So Brian Jokat has got the heave-ho because he hasn't paid a bill in two months, which was presumably the job of someone in Finance anyway?Scoham said:I noticed the person who originally posted the rumour has since said no bills other than wages have been paid for two months. Two months ago Jokat was appointed…
What's the FD doing in this story? In what business does a COO run day to day operating expenditure?
There could at least be some degree of effort put into this stuff.1 -
This is very much linked to the Jokat situation. Apparently he forgot his password for the invoicing system, guessed it incorrectly 5 times and locked himself out. The IT Manager could have reset it, but Jokat felt it would undermine his authority to ask for help.
Jokat even tried to dismantle his PC in order to "retrieve the code" - but obviously this did not work. The invoices kept on stacking up - while Jokat sat on the floor of his office surrounded by the miscellaneous parts of the computer he had vandalised.
It's sad really, Jokat was widely regarded as a prodigy in the sports admin world, and if he wasn't such a technophobe im sure he could have achieved some wonderful things at the Valley.
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OK, so he’s getting information from Roland’s camp. I’ll pass.19
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I don’t know what actually makes my blood boil more, sharing potential misinformation with such conviction that has little substance to go onVfrf said:
Unsubstantiated at this point, but a good bloke, never known him to be a fabricator.
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people typing absolutely drivel and adding ‘FACT!’ To the end as if it makes it hold more weight? So childish
I wonder what TS scandal they’ll come up with next once it becomes abundantly clear that this is more nonsense9 -
Whether true or not, social media makes it easy to make up any old rubbish and put it out there to pedal a particular narrative.
To those using this unsubstantiated claim to try and discredit TS, I say produce the hard evidence now rather than spreading hearsay if you expect to be believed.
Either put up or shut up!
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We aren't in arrears on the rent. No idea on the other 'nothing paid for 2 months'1
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I think I wish social media didn’t exist at least four times a day.8
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You phone me in the evening on hearsay
And bought me a ruby
You took me to a Wetherspoons off Bexleyheath Broadway
To tell me who you are
We never-ever argue, we never calculate
The currency we've spent
I love you, you pay my rent
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Love how it always ends with the "Nah I got more info but I ain't sharing it because you're a bunch a caaaaants"39
