England Cricket 2022

Chizz said:

Lincsaddick said:

this current India one day outfit is getting more and more like the very best all time Aussie and England teams .. powerful, aggressive fast bowling, canny spinners, hard hitting, destructive batting and the fielding is almost unrecognisable compared to the Indian sides of yore .. IF Pakistan can find any consistency and New Zealand get back to their best, the next 50 over W C could be a cracker

What a great post!

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Not a bad bowler, what he is in the team for

Where did I say he was a bad bowler? My two points were that

(1) If you bat Livingstone at 8, then it's only another three wickets 'til Topley troops out to bat with him and that is, effectively, the end of the innings - look at how we lost our last four wickets for 36 runs. Two totally irresponsible and identical shots have cost Livingstone his wicket. And I reckon that he might be out of the next match having seen how hard he punched his bat due to the frustration at his own stupidity. He's not a 13 year old county age group player. To do it once is an accident. To do it twice is criminal and Moeen and Willy showed what could be achieved with a bit of application.

(2) The days of Tufnell, Panesar, Martin, Malcolm, Mullally etc etc are long gone and unless you are a Bumrah, Walsh or McGrath in great teams where you don't need to bat very often then you really should know one end of a bat from another. Topley, as you are probably aware, is the son of Don who was a bowler too but who managed to average over 15. Don even coached Zimbabwe - did he never coach his son or is Reece really that incapable of taking instruction on how to block a ball? The bloke has a lifetime total of 300 runs from 110 innings in all forms of the game. Being an OK international bowler who has taken a lifetime, at the age of 28, just 37 wickets isn't enough nowadays.

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Not a bad bowler, what he is in the team for

Where did I say he was a bad bowler? My two points were that

(1) If you bat Livingstone at 8, then it's only another three wickets 'til Topley troops out to bat with him and that is, effectively, the end of the innings - look at how we lost our last four wickets for 36 runs. Two totally irresponsible and identical shots have cost Livingstone his wicket. And I reckon that he might be out of the next match having seen how hard he punched his bat due to the frustration at his own stupidity. He's not a 13 year old county age group player. To do it once is an accident. To do it twice is criminal and Moeen and Willy showed what could be achieved with a bit of application.

(2) The days of Tufnell, Panesar, Martin, Malcolm, Mullally etc etc are long gone and unless you are a Bumrah, Walsh or McGrath in great teams where you don't need to bat very often then you really should know one end of a bat from another. Topley, as you are probably aware, is the son of Don who was a bowler too but who managed to average over 15. Don even coached Zimbabwe - did he never coach his son or is Reece really that incapable of taking instruction on how to block a ball? The bloke has a lifetime total of 300 runs from 110 innings in all forms of the game. Being an OK international bowler who has taken a lifetime, at the age of 28, just 37 wickets isn't enough nowadays.

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Not a bad bowler, what he is in the team for

Where did I say he was a bad bowler? My two points were that

(1) If you bat Livingstone at 8, then it's only another three wickets 'til Topley troops out to bat with him and that is, effectively, the end of the innings - look at how we lost our last four wickets for 36 runs. Two totally irresponsible and identical shots have cost Livingstone his wicket. And I reckon that he might be out of the next match having seen how hard he punched his bat due to the frustration at his own stupidity. He's not a 13 year old county age group player. To do it once is an accident. To do it twice is criminal and Moeen and Willy showed what could be achieved with a bit of application.

(2) The days of Tufnell, Panesar, Martin, Malcolm, Mullally etc etc are long gone and unless you are a Bumrah, Walsh or McGrath in great teams where you don't need to bat very often then you really should know one end of a bat from another. Topley, as you are probably aware, is the son of Don who was a bowler too but who managed to average over 15. Don even coached Zimbabwe - did he never coach his son or is Reece really that incapable of taking instruction on how to block a ball? The bloke has a lifetime total of 300 runs from 110 innings in all forms of the game. Being an OK international bowler who has taken a lifetime, at the age of 28, just 37 wickets isn't enough nowadays.

You must be right, you think  you always are

Well done Topley on taking six wickets on a track that suited you. Shame that you might discarded once all the first string bowlers are back.

On another note, are you sure you and Chiz aren't one and the same. Because both of you never ever offer a coherent argument but come out with those classic one liners attempted at winding me up. Or, in your case, it's usually one word - "sigh". At least Chiz manages occasionally to string a sentence together by way of a counter argument!

Sigh!

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Not a bad bowler, what he is in the team for

Where did I say he was a bad bowler? My two points were that

(1) If you bat Livingstone at 8, then it's only another three wickets 'til Topley troops out to bat with him and that is, effectively, the end of the innings - look at how we lost our last four wickets for 36 runs. Two totally irresponsible and identical shots have cost Livingstone his wicket. And I reckon that he might be out of the next match having seen how hard he punched his bat due to the frustration at his own stupidity. He's not a 13 year old county age group player. To do it once is an accident. To do it twice is criminal and Moeen and Willy showed what could be achieved with a bit of application.

(2) The days of Tufnell, Panesar, Martin, Malcolm, Mullally etc etc are long gone and unless you are a Bumrah, Walsh or McGrath in great teams where you don't need to bat very often then you really should know one end of a bat from another. Topley, as you are probably aware, is the son of Don who was a bowler too but who managed to average over 15. Don even coached Zimbabwe - did he never coach his son or is Reece really that incapable of taking instruction on how to block a ball? The bloke has a lifetime total of 300 runs from 110 innings in all forms of the game. Being an OK international bowler who has taken a lifetime, at the age of 28, just 37 wickets isn't enough nowadays.

You must be right, you think  you always are

Well done Topley on taking six wickets on a track that suited you. Shame that you might discarded once all the first string bowlers are back.

On another note, are you sure you and Chiz aren't one and the same. Because both of you never ever offer a coherent argument but come out with those classic one liners attempted at winding me up. Or, in your case, it's usually one word - "sigh". At least Chiz manages occasionally to string a sentence together by way of a counter argument!

Sigh!

Addick Addict said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Addick Addict said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

Addick Addict said:

Addick Addict said:

Leuth said:

Livingstone is an amazing finisher who's been forced to come in early two games in a row. I have sympathy - he only knows one way. There's been a case to hold him back until 7 or 8 both games

I get that but the issue with doing that is that the tail ends up not wagging - and Livingstone is left stranded especially with someone like Topley at 11. He is a good enough cricketer to recognise, with the damage of 15 in the over, is that there is a time to play the percentages - to get out twice in a row giving a seamer the charge is really poor. In the last game he did it because he was still on zero after 7 balls. So what? We still had 42 overs to go.

Topley is a throwback. Absolutely clueless with a FC average of 4.12. I know that his old man was a bowler too but surely he could teach him the basics of getting in line. And even if he couldn't I reckon that a mate of his, someone called Graham Gooch, might be able to help!

Not a bad bowler, what he is in the team for

Where did I say he was a bad bowler? My two points were that

(1) If you bat Livingstone at 8, then it's only another three wickets 'til Topley troops out to bat with him and that is, effectively, the end of the innings - look at how we lost our last four wickets for 36 runs. Two totally irresponsible and identical shots have cost Livingstone his wicket. And I reckon that he might be out of the next match having seen how hard he punched his bat due to the frustration at his own stupidity. He's not a 13 year old county age group player. To do it once is an accident. To do it twice is criminal and Moeen and Willy showed what could be achieved with a bit of application.

(2) The days of Tufnell, Panesar, Martin, Malcolm, Mullally etc etc are long gone and unless you are a Bumrah, Walsh or McGrath in great teams where you don't need to bat very often then you really should know one end of a bat from another. Topley, as you are probably aware, is the son of Don who was a bowler too but who managed to average over 15. Don even coached Zimbabwe - did he never coach his son or is Reece really that incapable of taking instruction on how to block a ball? The bloke has a lifetime total of 300 runs from 110 innings in all forms of the game. Being an OK international bowler who has taken a lifetime, at the age of 28, just 37 wickets isn't enough nowadays.

The guy takes 6-24 and you moan because he isn't don bradman with a bat in his hands.

I really don't care if he averages 1 with the bat if he keeps on bowling like that

Again you aren't reading what I said and not linking the two - Livingstone having to bat with Topley. I do note the very big "if he keeps on bowling like that" because his figures against India in ODIs, prior to today bowling on a track that could not have suited him more, are 17-3-138-3.