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  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,148
    I wonder if Asiimwe and Bower will be playing U23 regularly this season? Very good prospects on the right and left.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    What's happened to Samuel Oguntayo?
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,232
    So it's not just the first team lacking full backs, our U23s also seem to lack options, seeing that Chin is a midfielder, and Ness and Elewere CBs
    Ness performed very well at right back in the Dartford friendly.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,857
    Crusty54 said:
    So it's not just the first team lacking full backs, our U23s also seem to lack options, seeing that Chin is a midfielder, and Ness and Elewere CBs
    Ness performed very well at right back in the Dartford friendly.
    Far easier opponents than those we'll face this season to be fair

    Ness has done well in pre-season I'd agree, interesting that he played CB on Friday, so maybe he's a genuine rival to Elewere as our 4th choice CB
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,857
    I assume the U23s will have another pre-season friendly of their own, seeing that Garner "stole" the Welling game for the first team!
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,381
    We can expect a young u23 team this season - the plan is to loan more of them out and give u18s experience in the u23s.

    Taken from the international supports forum thread.

    https://cdn.charltonafc.com/sites/default/files/2022-07/Charlton_International Fans' Forum notes 14072022.pdf
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:
    We can expect a young u23 team this season - the plan is to loan more of them out and give u18s experience in the u23s.

    Taken from the international supports forum thread.

    https://cdn.charltonafc.com/sites/default/files/2022-07/Charlton_International Fans' Forum notes 14072022.pdf
    U23 football is a far from perfect idea (thanks Jed).  You end up having too many 20-22 year olds at the club that will never make it.  We saw that last season.

    I would rather our u23s next season are some u18s, some of last years u18s and fringe 1st teamers.  

    The older ones should either be out on loan or in the first team squad.  Of Clayden isn't in the "official squad" or out on loan what's the point?

    In the weeks where we don't have a first team game midweek I want to see the keeper, the spare CB and a couple of midfielders get games in the u23s.  

    We can't have the farce of Morgan, and to a lesser degree the "senior pros" of last season go months without games then chucked in the first team again.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,857
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    We can expect a young u23 team this season - the plan is to loan more of them out and give u18s experience in the u23s.

    Taken from the international supports forum thread.

    https://cdn.charltonafc.com/sites/default/files/2022-07/Charlton_International Fans' Forum notes 14072022.pdf
    U23 football is a far from perfect idea (thanks Jed).  You end up having too many 20-22 year olds at the club that will never make it.  We saw that last season.

    I would rather our u23s next season are some u18s, some of last years u18s and fringe 1st teamers.  

    The older ones should either be out on loan or in the first team squad.  Of Clayden isn't in the "official squad" or out on loan what's the point?

    In the weeks where we don't have a first team game midweek I want to see the keeper, the spare CB and a couple of midfielders get games in the u23s.  

    We can't have the farce of Morgan, and to a lesser degree the "senior pros" of last season go months without games then chucked in the first team again.
    Where we've been very poor is with players who are on the fringe of the matchday 18, who are kept out of U23 football in case they are needed for the 18, but generally aren't picked, so they end up with no football at all.

    Looking back, with fewer subs in the old days, the matchday squads were also smaller, meaning that the "19th and 20th" members of the squad would be spare, and available for the stiffs.

    It's a bit farcical, but cup games have become the new stiffs. Instead of reserve fixtures, you use the EFL trophy and EFL cup to play your backup players.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    We can expect a young u23 team this season - the plan is to loan more of them out and give u18s experience in the u23s.

    Taken from the international supports forum thread.

    https://cdn.charltonafc.com/sites/default/files/2022-07/Charlton_International Fans' Forum notes 14072022.pdf
    U23 football is a far from perfect idea (thanks Jed).  You end up having too many 20-22 year olds at the club that will never make it.  We saw that last season.

    I would rather our u23s next season are some u18s, some of last years u18s and fringe 1st teamers.  

    The older ones should either be out on loan or in the first team squad.  Of Clayden isn't in the "official squad" or out on loan what's the point?

    In the weeks where we don't have a first team game midweek I want to see the keeper, the spare CB and a couple of midfielders get games in the u23s.  

    We can't have the farce of Morgan, and to a lesser degree the "senior pros" of last season go months without games then chucked in the first team again.
    Where we've been very poor is with players who are on the fringe of the matchday 18, who are kept out of U23 football in case they are needed for the 18, but generally aren't picked, so they end up with no football at all.

    Looking back, with fewer subs in the old days, the matchday squads were also smaller, meaning that the "19th and 20th" members of the squad would be spare, and available for the stiffs.

    It's a bit farcical, but cup games have become the new stiffs. Instead of reserve fixtures, you use the EFL trophy and EFL cup to play your backup players.
    The cup games are good for that, in August and September.  But then you have the farce where Morgan came back in after not playing a minute of football for 3 months.  

    If your an unused sub on Saturday there is absolutely no reason you can't play on the Monday if we don't have a first team game mid week.

    It's a win win if you can loan out some of the older u23s as well and gives more opportunity to the better u18s. 
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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    As a gesture of goodwill here are the Coventry City U23 fixtures for next season. One of a number of clubs who have published theirs in order to respect and serve their fans who are interested in the actual football enterprise at their respective clubs.
    You can see a match against Charlton there.
    So bit by bit we can suss out our U23 fixture list by visiting other clubs websites.

    https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/fixtures-under-21s-professional-development-league-fixtures-confirmed/
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,470
    seth plum said:
    As a gesture of goodwill here are the Coventry City U23 fixtures for next season. One of a number of clubs who have published theirs in order to respect and serve their fans who are interested in the actual football enterprise at their respective clubs.
    You can see a match against Charlton there.
    So bit by bit we can suss out our U23 fixture list by visiting other clubs websites.

    https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/fixtures-under-21s-professional-development-league-fixtures-confirmed/
    Full fixture list is on this link https://uk.soccerway.com/national/england/central-league/20222023/regular-season/r69391/
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Thanks for that link.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    edited July 2022
    @clive has kindly provided the link so I have trawled it to try to create a Charlton Athletic 2022-2023 U23 Fixture List.

    It is likely I have made a mistake or two in transcribing!

    Now I would say that this is subject to change, dates, kick off times and venues, but as far as I know our home games will be at Dartford. A lot of changes can be last minute, and there is a kind of organic flexibility to it all. Some dates clash with first team fixtures, and the football people can make alterations whenever I suppose, from all clubs.

    Sometimes there are streams made available, but it is hit or miss, as is seeing any highlights. In the past Cardiff A and QPR A has had decent streamed coverage.

    I have no idea if any of the listed fixtures are Cup Ties, or how any cup competition fits in.

    I also don't really have a clue as to league structure, as you can see we don't play everybody twice, how it unfolds is a mystery to me.

    2022

    Monday 8th August v Burnley A 2pm
    Monday 15th August v Sheffield United H 2pm
    Friday 19th August v Sheffield Wednesday A 2pm
    Monday 29th August v Coventry City H 2pm

    Friday 2nd September v Barnsley A 2pm.
    Monday 12th September v Colchester United H 2pm
    Tuesday 20th September v Millwall A 2pm
    Tuesday 27th September v Watford A 1pm

    Monday 3rd October v Queens Park Rangers H 2pm
    Monday 10th October v Ipswich Town H 2pm
    Monday 17th October v Swansea City A 2pm
    Monday 24th October v Reading H 2pm

    Tuesday 1st November v Bristol City A 1pm
    Monday 7th November v Cardiff City H 1pm

    2023

    Monday 9th January v Swansea City H 1pm
    Tuesday 17th January v Queens Park Rangers A 7pm
    Monday 23rd January v Reading A 2pm (I think it will be earlier because of daylight...dunno)
    Monday 30th January v Millwall H 1pm

    Tuesday 14th February v Colchester United A 1pm
    Monday 20th February v Watford H 1pm
    Tuesday 28th February v Cardiff City A 2pm

    Friday 3rd March v Ipswich Town A 1pm
    Monday 20th March v Bristol City H 2pm

    Monday 3rd April v Wigan Athletic H 2pm
    Tuesday 11th April v Crewe Alexandra A 12noon
    Monday 24th April v Birmingham City H 2pm

    Tuesday 2nd May v Peterborough United A 2pm
    Monday 8th May v Hull City H 2pm


  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,324
    Havent both Birmingham and Burnley just been relegated from Category One Academies?

    Be interesting to see how we do against those two.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,470
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/academy-fixtures-confirmed-202223

    The Premier League have announced that the Professional Development League will become an U21 competition from the start of the 2022/23 season.
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/change-academy-age-parameters-u23-u21
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,740
    edited August 2022
    Clicked on the first link & had a message saying it was a Private Area & access denied ! 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    clive said:
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/academy-fixtures-confirmed-202223

    The Premier League have announced that the Professional Development League will become an U21 competition from the start of the 2022/23 season.
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/change-academy-age-parameters-u23-u21
    Brilliant news 👏 😀 👍 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,470
    Clicked on the first link & had a message saying it was a Private Area ! 
    I promise that the fixtures were there, but as soon as i put the link up, they disappeared.
  • clive said:
    Clicked on the first link & had a message saying it was a Private Area ! 
    I promise that the fixtures were there, but as soon as i put the link up, they disappeared.
    I believe you, clive ! 
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  • clive said:
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/academy-fixtures-confirmed-202223

    The Premier League have announced that the Professional Development League will become an U21 competition from the start of the 2022/23 season.
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/change-academy-age-parameters-u23-u21
    Tough game to start the U18 campaign
  • Carl Leaburn
    Carl Leaburn Posts: 1,117
    @seth plum in the past seasons the structure for PDL Div 2 (what we play in) has been 2 Divisions North and South. You play all the teams in your division twice home and away. Because the leagues are not large, you play the teams in the other division once a mixture of homes and aways. The cup competition is the Premier League Cup and involves Div 2 and Div 1 (Cat A academies) teams. This is normally a group of four and you play all teams home and away with top teams going through to the knockout stage. At the end of the season top 2 in each Div 2 division play semi-final and then final play offs. After writing that it could all be a load of old crap and the structure could all be different this season :smiley:
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Great info. Thanks.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,232
    It has been announced that the new season will be for under 21s.

    Up to five over age players allowed.

    Steve Avory has agreed with the change saying it is clear by the age of 21 if a player has a first team future.
  • Crusty54 said:
    Steve Avory has agreed with the change saying it is clear by the age of 21 if a player has a first team future.
    Interesting comment given the likes of Clayden are around still
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,857
    21 also makes sense, seeing that's it's when a player counts as part of the EFL squad numbers.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited August 2022
    Crusty54 said:
    Steve Avory has agreed with the change saying it is clear by the age of 21 if a player has a first team future.
    Interesting comment given the likes of Clayden are around still
    There may be one or two but we have had many 20-22 year olds that were never going to play first team football in recent years.

    One Clayden is ok but 4 or 5 isn't.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,857
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Crusty54 said:
    Steve Avory has agreed with the change saying it is clear by the age of 21 if a player has a first team future.
    Interesting comment given the likes of Clayden are around still
    There may be one or two but we have had many 20-22 year olds that were never going to play first team football in recent years.

    One Clayden is ok but 4 or 5 isn't.
    To me Clayden has only featured so regularly in pre-season due our dismal lack of depth at LB and indeed of left footed players, rather than because Garner really rates him
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    What Avory actually says 

    "We’ve always regarded it as an U19 to U21 programme in terms of the development aspect of it, because it’s our belief that when a player gets to 21 he should be ready for senior football. We obviously aim for that senior football to be here in our first-team, but if it’s not here it will be elsewhere.”

    PS @admin can you change the thread title to U21s