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I wish I had a reason to use this more often. Its a complete game changer for getting across London from East to West compared to, say, the central or met/circle/h&c lines.
If only it hadn't been such a balls up getting it built.2 -
Too slow getting it into full operation, but welcome nevertheless.0
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agreed but at least it wasn't shelved! The delays won't look that long when it's running for decades afterwards neitherPragueAddick said:Too slow getting it into full operation, but welcome nevertheless.3 -
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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Maybe not, but it's important to clearly understand what went wrong and why, because otherwise it will happen again to large infrastructure projects.jacob_CAFC said:
agreed but at least it wasn't shelved! The delays won't look that long when it's running for decades afterwards neitherPragueAddick said:Too slow getting it into full operation, but welcome nevertheless.
(Germany has similar questions to answer, particularly re the spectacular fiasco of new Berlin Airport, but they tend to be quite good at admitting and learning from mistakes)1 -
Abbey wood to Farringdon today in 20 mins. Shame the train from abbey wood to dartford took nearly the same time4
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Seen Mark Wild, former CEO of Crossrail, being quiet candid about where and how it went wrong. Mainly around the lack of systems integrations, and being too ambitious on the technology. Huge learnings about how you integrate 3 different signalling systems together for example.PragueAddick said:
Maybe not, but it's important to clearly understand what went wrong and why, because otherwise it will happen again to large infrastructure projects.jacob_CAFC said:
agreed but at least it wasn't shelved! The delays won't look that long when it's running for decades afterwards neitherPragueAddick said:Too slow getting it into full operation, but welcome nevertheless.
(Germany has similar questions to answer, particularly re the spectacular fiasco of new Berlin Airport, but they tend to be quite good at admitting and learning from mistakes)
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I drive from Strood to Abbey Wood, jump on the Elizabeth Line > District Line to Tower Hill.Todds_right_hook said:Abbey wood to Farringdon today in 20 mins. Shame the train from abbey wood to dartford took nearly the same time
Getting home the last time took me 1hr 15mins from door to door. (Could change when schools go back).
Looking at the TFL Journey Planner, I could go from Tower Hill > Stratford > High Speed, and it'll take me just over hour and half from door to door, but the expense is just unaffordable for me at the moment.
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Can someone add NSFW to the thread title please.Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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when i used it it felt like london was a high tech, clean city that everything was easily reachable. The tube you kind of get the opposite, old and dirty and cramped.Off_it said:I wish I had a reason to use this more often. Its a complete game changer for getting across London from East to West compared to, say, the central or met/circle/h&c lines.
If only it hadn't been such a balls up getting it built.1 -
Much like my underwear.kentaddick said:
The tube you kind of get the opposite, old and dirty and cramped.Off_it said:I wish I had a reason to use this more often. Its a complete game changer for getting across London from East to West compared to, say, the central or met/circle/h&c lines.
If only it hadn't been such a balls up getting it built.3 -
It's almost as if the Tube was built well over a century ago (159 years in some cases) for a completely different city (numbers-wise.....London's population in 1861 was 3.1M).9
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There's something really filthy about a spanner talking about trains. Keep it cumming bbw.13
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Yes! It’s just nice to have large scale infrastructure projects in the capital again.Big_Bad_World said:It's almost as if the Tube was built well over a century ago (159 years in some cases) for a completely different city (numbers-wise.....London's population in 1861 was 3.1M).0 -
Interesting and surpring that BLE is back on the agenda again. I thought there was no real possibility while Khan was Mayor and the Tories focussed on spending outside the capital. As someone mentioned earlier, the real driver for the BLE is opening up the Old Kent Road for dense residential development (in the way that the Northern Line extension to Battersea Power Station has for Vauxhall/Nine Elms). Given the Tory candidates opposition to any form of building on the Green Belt I wonder if we will now see more transport infrastructure spending to allow resi in poorly served areas of London and other cities.0
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Depends on the tube line to be fair. Some are worse than others - normally the deeper they are the worse they get.kentaddick said:
when i used it it felt like london was a high tech, clean city that everything was easily reachable. The tube you kind of get the opposite, old and dirty and cramped.Off_it said:I wish I had a reason to use this more often. Its a complete game changer for getting across London from East to West compared to, say, the central or met/circle/h&c lines.
If only it hadn't been such a balls up getting it built.0 -
I knew the lad had potential and could be converted. Now that Millwallfan he needs some work...guinnessaddick said:
@BBW proper Charlton, first to post about train news.Big_Bad_World said:Trains will run directly from Heathrow and Reading to Abbey Wood, and Shenfield to Paddington from 6th November.
Bond Street now has the opening date of 'by November'.
Lastly, customers will be able to use the Elizabeth line seven days a week, as Sunday services through central London will also get underway for the first time from Sunday 6 November.The frequency of services in the central section between Paddington and Whitechapel will increase from 12 trains per hour to up to 22 trains per hour in peak times, and 16 trains per hour during off-peak times.
The final timetable, which will see 24 trains per hour during the peak between Paddington and Whitechapel, is on track to be in place by May 2023.
Info: More than 11 million journeys have been made between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which equals more than 200,000 daily journeys.
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Just been spending too much time on TFL intranet rather than doing any actual work :-)guinnessaddick said:
@BBW proper Charlton, first to post about train news.Big_Bad_World said:Trains will run directly from Heathrow and Reading to Abbey Wood, and Shenfield to Paddington from 6th November.
Bond Street now has the opening date of 'by November'.
Lastly, customers will be able to use the Elizabeth line seven days a week, as Sunday services through central London will also get underway for the first time from Sunday 6 November.The frequency of services in the central section between Paddington and Whitechapel will increase from 12 trains per hour to up to 22 trains per hour in peak times, and 16 trains per hour during off-peak times.
The final timetable, which will see 24 trains per hour during the peak between Paddington and Whitechapel, is on track to be in place by May 2023.
Info: More than 11 million journeys have been made between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which equals more than 200,000 daily journeys.
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RumbledROTW said:
Just been spending too much time on TFL intranet rather than doing any actual work :-)guinnessaddick said:
@BBW proper Charlton, first to post about train news.Big_Bad_World said:Trains will run directly from Heathrow and Reading to Abbey Wood, and Shenfield to Paddington from 6th November.
Bond Street now has the opening date of 'by November'.
Lastly, customers will be able to use the Elizabeth line seven days a week, as Sunday services through central London will also get underway for the first time from Sunday 6 November.The frequency of services in the central section between Paddington and Whitechapel will increase from 12 trains per hour to up to 22 trains per hour in peak times, and 16 trains per hour during off-peak times.
The final timetable, which will see 24 trains per hour during the peak between Paddington and Whitechapel, is on track to be in place by May 2023.
Info: More than 11 million journeys have been made between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which equals more than 200,000 daily journeys.
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Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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Lewisham is the first stage. Anywhere further is a long time away.Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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Bromley Council apparently want it. Why anyone would want to travel that far in a tiny Tube train instead of a full size train is beyond me.Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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It will (if it's ever completed) incorporate 4 additional stations along an 8.5km extension to the line.Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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It’s frequency, and most won’t travel long distances via the Bakerloo, but those Hayes to Lewisham journeys will be quicker, more frequent and probably more reliable on new infrastructureCrusty54 said:
Bromley Council apparently want it. Why anyone would want to travel that far in a tiny Tube train instead of a full size train is beyond me.Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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You sure you're not Charlton?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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If you lived in Beckenham and worked at Baker Street it would be a game changer, eh @Boom?Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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Not sure how it will be quicker if it has 4 extra stops? Hayes line is decent and quick IMO. Got a feeling Bromley Council wants the prestige of a Tube line!Rothko said:
It’s frequency, and most won’t travel long distances via the Bakerloo, but those Hayes to Lewisham journeys will be quicker, more frequent and probably more reliable on new infrastructureCrusty54 said:
Bromley Council apparently want it. Why anyone would want to travel that far in a tiny Tube train instead of a full size train is beyond me.Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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It wouldn't a train load. Half the trains currently bypass Lewisham and give a faster journey to London Bridge for the Jubilee line to Baker Street.Off_it said:
If you lived in Beckenham and worked at Baker Street it would be a game changer, eh @Boom?Friend Or Defoe said:
Why would it happen? Isn't it just going to run across the Hayes Line with no extra stops?Boom said:
Is the BLE still intended to go to Beckenham ?Big_Bad_World said:
It's yet to get to the Concept Design stage. Essentially two separate projects for the Bakerloo Line have been merged (the Bakerloo Line Extension (BLE) project and the Bakerloo Line Upgrade (BLU) project). BLU was part of the Deep Tube Upgrade Project (DTUP), along with the Piccadilly, Central and Waterloo and City Lines (new signalling and rolling stock to increase their capacity), but was merged with BLE as both the BLE & BLU have a number of dependencies and similar planned completion dates.Friend Or Defoe said:Hard to keep up with the Bakerloo line extension to Lewisham, it's like a light switch. Will be very welcome for it's connection to other lines.
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