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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Awful idea. What’s the alternative?jimmymelrose said:I'll keep saying it:
Abolish the transfer window; it inflates prices, gets everyone too worked up, and yet it is totally unnecessary.0 -
What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.0
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So the championship play off is two days away, you can sign a player who’s way too good for that league and give him 50m win bonus even though he’s not played a single game for you. Hell, you could even sell him back the next day? Cos that’s where no window leads too.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.1 -
That was never the case previously either - Transfer Window just ran all year apart from March to June.BR7_addick said:
So the championship play off is two days away, you can sign a player who’s way too good for that league and give him 50m win bonus even though he’s not played a single game for you. Hell, you could even sell him back the next day? Cos that’s where no window leads too.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.3 -
What a load of bull. I was talking about getting a player out of contract, and I don’t think I have ever used the word sustainable ever let alone bang on about it so I assume you are thinking of someone else.Cafc43v3r said:
Of course it was a contributing factor.Redrobo said:
And that was the cause was it?Cafc43v3r said:
Yeah we were bankrupt and homeless within a year or two. Maybe we should true that again.Redrobo said:
They may want to stay fit and keep their names out there so a short term contract maybe possible.golfaddick said:Players like Robson Kanu & Vydra (who were playing for Premier League/high end Championship clubs) are not going to resettle in London for £3k-£5k per week. Not on your nelly.
The trouble with negativity is that nobody is good enough, too old, too young, unfit, injury prone, too expensive, too short, too timid, too aggressive etc etc. and you may well be right.
What I do know is that if you don’t try it certainly won’t happen. Remember when we signed the European footballer of the year?
So your suggestion is that we just give up. Well you go and hide behind the settee.
You bang on about how brilliant it is that we are "sustainable" and how brilliant it is, despite that fact we are not sustainable at all. Then you suggest paying a player the same as the rest of the team put together is worth trying.
I never once suggest we should give up.
But you keep believing everything is wonderful if it helps.Do you really believe that six months wages for Kanu would be more than our team put together? Do you really believe that signing him would send us into bankruptcy?0 -
No. It used to be that you couldn't sign new players after about mid-March.BR7_addick said:
So the championship play off is two days away, you can sign a player who’s way too good for that league and give him 50m win bonus even though he’s not played a single game for you. Hell, you could even sell him back the next day? Cos that’s where no window leads too.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.
It worked fine before 2002.7 -
That’ll just benefit the big boys even more so surely. Teams will sign players as and when they like and then come March the Rich clubs will load up on short term deals to get trophies and promotions over the line.jimmymelrose said:
No. It used to be that you couldn't sign new players after about mid-March.BR7_addick said:
So the championship play off is two days away, you can sign a player who’s way too good for that league and give him 50m win bonus even though he’s not played a single game for you. Hell, you could even sell him back the next day? Cos that’s where no window leads too.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.
It worked fine before 2002.0 -
Matej Vydra would much rather come home than play in the English 3rd division, I am sure of that. He is still in and around the Czech national side, and he could sign for one of the big 3 and have a good chance of some Euro club action if one of the bigger teams snapped him up. Whats more the league is 30 games and the domestic Cup not much valued. He probably would not be paid £3k week, but the cost of living is way lower and home is home, Many Czech players return in the evening of their careers.Redrobo said:
They may want to stay fit and keep their names out there so a short term contract maybe possible.golfaddick said:Players like Robson Kanu & Vydra (who were playing for Premier League/high end Championship clubs) are not going to resettle in London for £3k-£5k per week. Not on your nelly.
The trouble with negativity is that nobody is good enough, too old, too young, unfit, injury prone, too expensive, too short, too timid, too aggressive etc etc. and you may well be right.
What I do know is that if you don’t try it certainly won’t happen. Remember when we signed the European footballer of the year?0 -
I don't know what the alternative is but in the age of squad limits, is there a need for a transfer window?cafcfan1990 said:
Awful idea. What’s the alternative?jimmymelrose said:I'll keep saying it:
Abolish the transfer window; it inflates prices, gets everyone too worked up, and yet it is totally unnecessary.
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I think he is far too good for league 1, who are you hoping snaps him up?PragueAddick said:
Matej Vydra would much rather come home than play in the English 3rd division, I am sure of that. He is still in and around the Czech national side, and he could sign for one of the big 3 and have a good chance of some Euro club action if one of the bigger teams snapped him up. Whats more the league is 30 games and the domestic Cup not much valued. He probably would not be paid £3k week, but the cost of living is way lower and home is home, Many Czech players return in the evening of their careers.Redrobo said:
They may want to stay fit and keep their names out there so a short term contract maybe possible.golfaddick said:Players like Robson Kanu & Vydra (who were playing for Premier League/high end Championship clubs) are not going to resettle in London for £3k-£5k per week. Not on your nelly.
The trouble with negativity is that nobody is good enough, too old, too young, unfit, injury prone, too expensive, too short, too timid, too aggressive etc etc. and you may well be right.
What I do know is that if you don’t try it certainly won’t happen. Remember when we signed the European footballer of the year?0 - Sponsored links:
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Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand Bonne's tweet and why it offends. Am I alone in not understanding it?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
100%BR7_addick said:There was 100s of tweets slating Bonne yesterday, they ranged from “OMG he’s shit” to “I’d rather sign no one”.
Can you blame the geeza for that response.
Famous Chinese proverb...if you give it to a young footballer on social media don't cry when young footballer returns it.
Hilarious grown men abusing people online or in the stands then spleen shitting when they get a bit of needle back.2 -
So there’s disruption for clubs all year round? Personally I think it’s a terrible idea. Things have changed so much over the years with regards to spending power and amount of substitutions. Just because it worked before doesn’t mean it would again.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.0 -
Even more I’d say. You register a squad from one window to the next. How would that work without a transfer window?Todds_right_hook said:
I don't know what the alternative is but in the age of squad limits, is there a need for a transfer window?cafcfan1990 said:
Awful idea. What’s the alternative?jimmymelrose said:I'll keep saying it:
Abolish the transfer window; it inflates prices, gets everyone too worked up, and yet it is totally unnecessary.0 -
I don't really care what some might think. I buy the streams and watch the club but going to matches when I have a long journey home totally disapointed is not what I want to do aged 58 years. I have done all that and bought the T-shirt. I am fed up with us being owned by crooks and fools and with every opportunity that supports itself, that opportunity is missed.
My point about the importance of different types of fans I know is not a popular one, but telling people to attend isn't going to make it happen. It is a reality which any business owner has to understand and address. If I did force myself to go, it would make absolutely no diference and the dog would be more likely to get kicked!(not really I am an animal lover). But I am going to do things I get some pleasure from at this stage of my life.7 -
I kinda get Jimmy's point - things worked perfectly well for years before the "transfer window" became a thing - funnily enough I don't remember a big day in mid march where every team desperately ran around til nearly midnight trying to get players - transfer windows were never brought in for fairness it was always about a bit of US sport-style spectacle.cafcfan1990 said:
So there’s disruption for clubs all year round? Personally I think it’s a terrible idea. Things have changed so much over the years with regards to spending power and amount of substitutions. Just because it worked before doesn’t mean it would again.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.
It doesn't benefit the clubs, get an injury crisis in November? Tough shit - where you could have got a 3 or 6 month loan or two, now you just have to play the kids, who may or may not be ready - knock on effect to the fans who pay to see a competitive team each week. We know as much as most do that the January window can disrupt an entire season anyway.
It doesn't benefit the players - get left high and dry last minute because the chain collapses and you are stuck in obscurity for months on end, not wanted by your club, and unable to move.
The time pressure only benefits one group - the agents.3 -
Having reflected on that deadline through the day I still can’t quite get my head around the failure to sign anyone. It has to be one of:Naivety- Martin still being inexperienced and sharing way more than he should’ve at the game, when in reality it was going to be far more difficult to get deals done.
Out priced/competed- if it is indeed true that we were after Scully, it’s hard for anyone to compete with the league above, can scratch that one off. Though several suitable alternatives should have been ready.
Cutting costs- Thomas/Martin/ Raelynn have clearly been cutting costs off the field so perhaps that’s now spread to the playing staff. Whether this is in preparation for a sale or just a lack of funds is just speculation. I personally don’t think this is the case, tempting Garner and getting some good signings over the line earlier in the window doesn’t make sense if this was indeed true.All in all, regardless of the deadline day failure the real indictment is that through a several month window we didn’t manage to fill the glaring holes in our squad, as soon as Washington was let go we were light up top and especially once Stockley clearly wasn’t suited to Garnerball an addition should have been top priority. Same goes for the extra defender we clearly needed, virtually inexplicable that we didn’t get one, and that there wasn’t a peep about it in the statement. I still think we’re capable of playoffs, possibly more this season. But now we’re relying on injuries etc going our way when that didn’t need to be the case.2 -
Thats probably why they changed it to the current format.BR7_addick said:
That’ll just benefit the big boys even more so surely. Teams will sign players as and when they like and then come March the Rich clubs will load up on short term deals to get trophies and promotions over the line.jimmymelrose said:
No. It used to be that you couldn't sign new players after about mid-March.BR7_addick said:
So the championship play off is two days away, you can sign a player who’s way too good for that league and give him 50m win bonus even though he’s not played a single game for you. Hell, you could even sell him back the next day? Cos that’s where no window leads too.jimmymelrose said:What do you mean? Just don't have a window. It is after all, a relatively new idea.
It worked fine before 2002.0 -
Well that wasn't done post 11pm last night so obviously that was always in our planScoham said:The good thing with needing pace up front is we shouldn’t end up with another Leon Best/Ricardo Vaz Te type who we thought didn’t need to be quick to do a job as a target man. We’ve cleared out the older players who’s legs and/or hunger has gone, need to avoid bringing one or two in and wasting budget that could be better spent in January.
Interesting Gallen says he’s already spoken to some free agents.0 -
Step forward martin, you played a blinder with your black box.Chunes said:All that talk about data, about lists of players and targets they've been working on for months, about being well-prepared for transfer windows now and it gets to deadline day and all they've got is former player Macauley Bonne. It really is farcical.2 -
Like constantly moaning on a football forum. Takes all sorts I supposeMuttleyCAFC said:I don't really care what some might think. I buy the streams and watch the club but going to matches when I have a long journey home totally disapointed is not what I want to do aged 58 years. I have done all that and bought the T-shirt. I am fed up with us being owned by crooks and fools and with every opportunity that supports itself, that opportunity is missed.
My point about the importance of different types of fans I know is not a popular one, but telling people to attend isn't going to make it happen. It is a reality which any business owner has to understand and address. If I did force myself to go, it would make absolutely no diference and the dog would be more likely to get kicked!(not really I am an animal lover). But I am going to do things I get some pleasure from at this stage of my life.
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I've never spoken to Rick apart from to buy the Voice so I'm not in his group of friends. So could you tell me what his agenda is ?Todds_right_hook said:
I think he would attack any owner regardless to aid his agenda.MuttleyCAFC said:I doubt Airman enjoys any of this. He is a supporter like the rest of us. He just calls things for what they are and that makes him unpopular with some.7 -
Mines a Guinness while you're in the chairMendonca In Asdas said:
I get your pint, and I’m willing to stick my head above the parapet, I wouldn’t have been to gutted to have had him back.RonnieMoore said:No one wanted him anyway so why people complaining about the deal fallen through ….
I get peoples frustrations with him, gets offside a lot, takes a lot of chances to score a goal, wasn’t very good in his recent appearance against us at the Valley for QPR, but all that aside wasn’t he our top scorer when we were last in the Championship?
If not I’m sure he got 11 goals, which is none too shabby?
I know we are going to pay the price further down the line, when Stockley picks up an inevitable injury, and we’ll probably have Leaburn leading the line, and people will kick off and moan again, chill guys not a lot we can do about it, but I get the frustration.
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Well I made this point the other day, I think now he's finally realised the sums involved, is he even looking at getting us promoted ? Premiership ready ? Stop being silly SandgaardJ BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.0 -
He’s massively underestimated the money pit that is professional football. If we don’t go up this season, I expect he’ll put us up for sale and have to take a hit given the money spent so far, and awkward issue of RD owning the Valley and Sparrows Lane. That’s just the feeling I get in terms of where he’s at with it and the fact we didn’t spend a fee this summer on players. I think he’s come in with optimism and exuberance, but the crippling reality of league one mediocrity and the money in the game has sucked all that enthusiasm out of himcharltonbob said:
Well I made this point the other day, I think now he's finally realised the sums involved, is he even looking at getting us promoted ? Premiership ready ? Stop being silly SandgaardJ BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.6 -
Agreed, but as none of us have the money, although plenty speak as though they do, and anybody who does have the money, and is credible, will run for the hills as soon as Duchatlet's name is mentioned, so like it or not TS is as safe as you are likely to get, particularly in the current climate.Airman Brown said:
"Safe" in what sense? I think too many people believe what he says when he talks about breaking even. Nobody with any understanding of the club's finances thinks that is remotely achievable year on year. In fact, you don't even need to understand the finances - his five-year ambition, his predictions last season, his idea that he can fill The Valley in L1, his claim that he was about to achieve Category One status, the due diligence he claimed to have done on the NFT sponsor, have all been exposed. Why would anyone believe his latest line?cafcdave123 said:
to who?J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.1 -
I'm down the Valley for the Oxford game Oct 1st with a couple of armchair prem fans from the office - tickets already bought - i'll be in Bartrams with 3 bewildered looking people with a classic MESH shirt with Mendonca on the backcharltonbob said:
Mines a Guinness while you're in the chairMendonca In Asdas said:
I get your pint, and I’m willing to stick my head above the parapet, I wouldn’t have been to gutted to have had him back.RonnieMoore said:No one wanted him anyway so why people complaining about the deal fallen through ….
I get peoples frustrations with him, gets offside a lot, takes a lot of chances to score a goal, wasn’t very good in his recent appearance against us at the Valley for QPR, but all that aside wasn’t he our top scorer when we were last in the Championship?
If not I’m sure he got 11 goals, which is none too shabby?
I know we are going to pay the price further down the line, when Stockley picks up an inevitable injury, and we’ll probably have Leaburn leading the line, and people will kick off and moan again, chill guys not a lot we can do about it, but I get the frustration. 
look me up and i'd be happy to share a pint of the black stuff mate (not sure I can afford one each but we can take turns taking sips lol) 2 -
That’s fair enough and I totally agree u should do what you want but at the same time, in life, u get out what u put in, which is why those little moments of magic - like getting promoted at Carlisle - twice - or winning at Wembley - twice - feel so great - u have every right to express your views on here but if u aren’t contributing to the cause, u have no right to expect anythingMuttleyCAFC said:I don't really care what some might think. I buy the streams and watch the club but going to matches when I have a long journey home totally disapointed is not what I want to do aged 58 years. I have done all that and bought the T-shirt. I am fed up with us being owned by crooks and fools and with every opportunity that supports itself, that opportunity is missed.
My point about the importance of different types of fans I know is not a popular one, but telling people to attend isn't going to make it happen. It is a reality which any business owner has to understand and address. If I did force myself to go, it would make absolutely no diference and the dog would be more likely to get kicked!(not really I am an animal lover). But I am going to do things I get some pleasure from at this stage of my life.0 -
Am I misreading the figures Airman posted or does that show a profit of £4M+ in 2021?
Mungo Bridge has to be worth a punt.0 -
I have never heard of Mungo. Is he any good and is he better than Ness?Weegie Addick said:Am I misreading the figures Airman posted or does that show a profit of £4M+ in 2021?
Mungo Bridge has to be worth a punt.0 -
The criticism Bonne got on this site was pretty disgusting, particularly as when he was with us I thought he tried his best, so if he read this forum and he had a dig fair play to him.
Yes, we all wanted a forward and yes we thought we deserved better than Bonne but it wasn't our decision to make. Everybody seems to expect TS to buy this and that but he has decided, wrongly in my view to stick to a budget, which is no different from those not wishing to pay his ticket prices, which he has also got wrong. Very easy to say he should spend more and get even more in debt when quite rightly you shouldn't do so yourself.4
