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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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meldrew66 said:Isn't there anybody on here who knows the identity of the 'striker' we missed out on?4
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WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Shopping in Poundland, the player has had no pre season meaning it will be atleast November before he is fully up to speed, why does that player not have a club ? Does that suggest he is past his best or injury prone ?
How many free agents have actually turned a clubs season around ?0 -
Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.
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SouthLincsAddick said:Braziliance said:Waking up to not even seeing Bonne signing is something I did not expect, although as others have said, the writing was on the wall.Clearly our owner doesn’t want to spend money anymore and everything is being done on the cheap, he spent some fees when he first got here but I think it’s a case of ‘reality bites’ for TS and he’s realised just because you spend 500k on a promising player, you aren’t always gonna see that players stock rise, so going against his own words, football really isn’t that simple.There were a lot of attainable players at reasonable fees in this league and league 2, the fact he hasn’t even got one shows what the future holds,
balance the books, sell any of our valuable assets if an offer comes along, keep us competitive until a new investor/owner comes along. If he had any ambition with us he would be paying the 300-500k fees required to get the good players in contract at this level, I honestly think it’s unacceptable they’ve waited until the final minute to get a striker when they’ve had all summer. Our scouting system is terrible, all our good signings are from Ben Garners previous side, there’s no way there wasn’t National league & league 2 players ready to make the step up or even prem clubs with young players needing game time. Just seems like utter laziness and lack of knowledgeA guy that has made funds available previously for the right player.5 -
mendonca said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.8 -
Todds_right_hook said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Shopping in Poundland, the player has had no pre season meaning it will be atleast November before he is fully up to speed, why does that player not have a club ? Does that suggest he is past his best or injury prone ?
How many free agents have actually turned a clubs season around ?
There will unlikely be a Yann out there albeit some very appealing names on the available list such as Vydra and to a lesser extent Robson Kanu0 -
Although yesterday was a major let down I do think we have had a decent window. The players we have signed will improve us no doubt. My biggest concern is that I doubt we will manage to hold onto Garner. Once a few Championship clubs start to part ways with their Managers as the season goes along he will be sort after I'm sure. If our improvement under him continues it will show that what he achieved last year at Swindon wasnt a fluke2
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Let’s try and bring in Sam Winnall or robson Kanu.0
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WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Shopping in Poundland, the player has had no pre season meaning it will be atleast November before he is fully up to speed, why does that player not have a club ? Does that suggest he is past his best or injury prone ?
How many free agents have actually turned a clubs season around ?
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Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
What has he actually got to sell?
Now look at player trading since he joined
Out (fees are not disclosed but general consensus on here at the time)Bonne £2M
Burstow £1.6MPhillips £300K
KAG sell on £1.5MPope sell on £2M
Doughty £600K
Davisson £50K
Beadle £400K
Total £8.45M
BoughtSchwartz £300K
Gilbey £100KWashington £50KKirk £500KFraser £400KStockley £350KDJ £300KClare £50KAneke £300K
Total £2.35M
Profit £6.1M
So he may be in to the tune of £10M for now (best case for him).1 - Sponsored links:
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ShootersHillGuru said:mendonca said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.1 -
cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.3 -
meldrew66 said:Isn't there anybody on here who knows the identity of the 'striker' we missed out on?0
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Athletico Charlton said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
What has he actually got to sell?
Now look at player trading since he joined
Out (fees are not disclosed but general consensus on here at the time)Bonne £2M
Burstow £1.6MPhillips £300K
KAG sell on £1.5MPope sell on £2M
Doughty £600K
Davisson £50K
Beadle £400K
Total £8.45M
BoughtSchwartz £300K
Gilbey £100KWashington £50KKirk £500KFraser £400KStockley £350KDJ £300KClare £50KAneke £300K
Total £2.35M
Profit £6.1M
So he may we'll be in to the tune of £10M for now.0 -
Airman Brown said:UEAAddick said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
If someone buys duchatalet out, I can't see it being easy to do with the madness of him and even someone with serious wealth in the billions would have find it hard negotiating it with him or even contacting him.
Which is why I think were more likely to end up with crooks.
He could get lucky with Ben Garner or his successor, as Roland did, and get back in the Championship, which would help. But I still think are some very wealthy people around who may fancy a London-based club with a stadium equipped to host Premier League football and manage to sort Roland out with a deal based on the latter.
Would Sandgaard sell to crooks? I think better of him than that, but it may depend how desperate he gets.1 -
Athletico Charlton said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
What has he actually got to sell?
Now look at player trading since he joined
Out (fees are not disclosed but general consensus on here at the time)Bonne £2M
Burstow £1.6MPhillips £300K
KAG sell on £1.5MPope sell on £2M
Doughty £600K
Davisson £50K
Beadle £400K
Total £8.45M
BoughtSchwartz £300K
Gilbey £100KWashington £50KKirk £500KFraser £400KStockley £350KDJ £300KClare £50KAneke £300K
Total £2.35M
Profit £6.1M
So he may be in to the tune of £10M for now (best case for him).
He said (and the last set of accounts confirm it) 8 million for each of the last two seasons and half that for this one. That's 20 million.0 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Todds_right_hook said:WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Shopping in Poundland, the player has had no pre season meaning it will be atleast November before he is fully up to speed, why does that player not have a club ? Does that suggest he is past his best or injury prone ?
How many free agents have actually turned a clubs season around ?
There will unlikely be a Yann out there albeit some very appealing names on the available list such as Vydra and to a lesser extent Robson Kanu
I don't think we need to sign a free agent to turn our season around. I think we need a free agent to support what we have and to prevent a potential play off push falling apart.
if and I appreciate that its a big if, we sign a free agent striker, the drop in quality from Bonne shouldn't be too much of a gap, especially for a squad player over a starter.
robson Kanu, as long as he wanted sensible wages could be an option. Come off the bench to give the manager a different option, plus he could help develop our pool of good (but not ready) young attacking options.
im not fussed that we didn't sign Bonne yesterday on the basis that we do bring in another body. If this is our hand until Jan, then ill be moving over to the pissed off camp very shortly.0 -
msomerton said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I'm yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
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Zynex traded at a high of $26 a share just two months before he bought CAFC. It was trading around $15 a share in September 2020. Now it trades at $9 a share and that is a rebound from $5 in March of this year.
Estimates I saw valued TS' net worth at about $500m+ in Sept 2020 and now it is estimated at around $130m.
Suddenly those £8m a season losses look pretty unsustainable.
How much TS is willing to invest in the club will be driven by Zynex's prospects and share price.15 -
Don't give up hope, Josh Parker's still a free agent.2
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SantaClaus said:Don't give up hope, Josh Parker's still a free agent.6
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Possible stupid question.......
is there an emergency loan window to replace players at the World Cup or are league 1 and 2 teams expected to just deal with players being away for a number of weeks?0 -
Making_all_the_noise said:Zynex traded at a high of $26 a share just two months before he bought CAFC. It was trading around $15 a share in September 2020. Now it trades at $9 a share and that is a rebound from $5 in March of this year.
Estimates I saw valued TS' net worth at about $500m+ in Sept 2020 and now it is estimated at around $130m.
Suddenly those £8m a season losses look pretty unsustainable.
How much TS is willing to invest in the club will be driven by Zynex's prospects and share price.
Just as well it's up 50% over the last 6 months.1 -
msomerton said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.2 -
Airman Brown said:
It’s a dynamic situation, admittedly, but generally we have lost more money in L1 than in the Championship. I don’t accept it’s either/or - there is a middle ground which Millwall have occupied quite successfully in recent years. We were relegated in 19/20 because RD starved the football side of resources.
in any case, TS isn’t “running a tight ship” - he’s reducing crowds with unrealistic prices and removing committed staff on spurious grounds. It’s amateurish and so is his commentary on it.
In all likelihood by dint of finances or personality, TS cannot and will not make it work. He may have done better with a more professional approach but ultimately we need to get the ground back and that will take someone with bigger pockets.I do not claim any great knowledge of the veracity of the research, but according to this article, Millwall were running £10million losses annually even pre-Covid, and had lost £78million in the last decade. So, if that is accurate, it rather proves the point.I don't necessarily disagree with you that TS has made various mistakes (often in taking the fans at their word) and, personally, I would be more cautious with price rises than he has been - although it does strike me as hilarious that the same fans who are currently in meltdown because he is not putting his hand in his pocket to buy more players, simply decide not to show up when they are asked to put their hands in their own pockets.The facts remain: promotion does not offer a way out of this (just larger numbers on the P&L and the same debts, if not more), a cost-of-business crisis is coming (the club's electricity bill next quarter will be eye-watering), and so clubs need to cut their costs. You can certainly argue that TS is going about it in the wrong way, but this is a process that needs to happen.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Athletico Charlton said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
What has he actually got to sell?
Now look at player trading since he joined
Out (fees are not disclosed but general consensus on here at the time)Bonne £2M
Burstow £1.6MPhillips £300K
KAG sell on £1.5MPope sell on £2M
Doughty £600K
Davisson £50K
Beadle £400K
Total £8.45M
BoughtSchwartz £300K
Gilbey £100KWashington £50KKirk £500KFraser £400KStockley £350KDJ £300KClare £50KAneke £300K
Total £2.35M
Profit £6.1M
So he may be in to the tune of £10M for now (best case for him).
He said (and the last set of accounts confirm it) 8 million for each of the last two seasons and half that for this one. That's 20 million.3 -
Athletico Charlton said:Cafc43v3r said:Athletico Charlton said:Covered_End_Lad said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.He doesnt really have anything to sell as he doesnt own the assets. He paid very little maybe a million max but has picked up the tab for several seasons of £8m losses. So realistically he would need to see for minimum 16m-20m to make profit unless he can convince someone to take on the accrued debt since he took over plus any other liabilities that were already in place.In short, no.Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:ShootersHillGuru said:Airman Brown said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.
I would agree that Sandgaard is an upgrade on ESI and Duchatelet, has some positive personal qualities, and that the team is more interesting to watch and likely to do better than last season, but there is a big hole in the project and it is his credibility. It isn't going to work financially and for that reason the club is far from "safe", albeit it's a slow motion car crash this time.
The end game will be someone buying Duchatelet out, in my opinion. It won't be Thomas.
What has he actually got to sell?
Now look at player trading since he joined
Out (fees are not disclosed but general consensus on here at the time)Bonne £2M
Burstow £1.6MPhillips £300K
KAG sell on £1.5MPope sell on £2M
Doughty £600K
Davisson £50K
Beadle £400K
Total £8.45M
BoughtSchwartz £300K
Gilbey £100KWashington £50KKirk £500KFraser £400KStockley £350KDJ £300KClare £50KAneke £300K
Total £2.35M
Profit £6.1M
So he may be in to the tune of £10M for now (best case for him).
He said (and the last set of accounts confirm it) 8 million for each of the last two seasons and half that for this one. That's 20 million.0 -
And the accounting loss isn't the same as the cash flow loss either, as player transfer fees are spread over their contract.
Besides, if we're going for Cat 1, the academy will cost us more money to run, and it's a bit unfair to "blame" the first team for it, and cut its budget accordingly0 -
king addick said:msomerton said:cafcdave123 said:J BLOCK said:I've always back Sandgaard, but the end of this window has done me. He hasn't got the resources, god knows what would happen if we got to the championship.
For us to compete properly, he needs to sell.
i think we are at least in a safe pair of hands with TS at the moment.0 -
Players like Robson Kanu & Vydra (who were playing for Premier League/high end Championship clubs) are not going to resettle in London for £3k-£5k per week. Not on your nelly.3