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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Dr Rae has a club email address.2
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I don't understand the 'Gallen wants out' comment. If he does then what's stopping him? It's not like he's a player with 3 years left on his contract, he could resign today if he wanted to.
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It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.3 -
Maybe he’s looking for a new job as he can’t afford not to work?Chris_from_Sidcup said:I don't understand the 'Gallen wants out' comment. If he does then what's stopping him? It's not like he's a player with 3 years left on his contract, he could resign today if he wanted to.3 -
My theory.
Back in 2019 Thomas Sandgaard applied for and secured a patent for a machine he invented that can ease the symptoms of football supporter pain and suffering by 85%.
In 2020 he acquired the football club Charlton athletic for a huge research project.
Expect to see the new machine in the club shop for Christmas 2022!!18 -
Maybe sooner! Last I heard they only had replica kits in there, so there's ample shelf space now. 😎carly burn said:My theory.
Back in 2019 Thomas Sandgaard applied for and secured a patent for a machine he invented that can ease the symptoms of football supporter pain and suffering by 85%.
In 2020 he acquired the football club Charlton athletic for a huge research project.
Expect to see the new machine in the club shop for Christmas 2022!!0 -
Selling Andy Reid was a mistake too.Jac_52 said:DamoNorthStand said:carly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.The free kick that never was at home v Fulham that lead to their last minute equaliser. We would have stayed up were it not for that.
Swear there was a game against Watford that we drew as well where we should have had a penalty but got given a free kick on the edge of the box.
That Fulham game haunts me though. They got given a throw in I remember and scored seconds later. Should have been our throw.
The sliding doors moment was definitely the appointment of Dowie and giving him riches Curbs could only dream of to waste on absolute shit. Traore getting sent off for 2 yellows in his first game against West ham after 30mins or something was a portent of doom.
Pardew was also a disaster with his striker signing spree. I honestly believe we could have got promoted straight back up if we'd just kept Lisbie in the championship.
Well that's me completely and utterly depressed now.14 -
Sorry, I'm lost. I tried googling it and just found this, "ETCyt expression vector using Fugene 6 transfection ...". Is ETCYT some localism that I've missed out on, or are are you suggesting that Murray's Weasely face is genetic?Weegie Addick said:
ETCYTcarly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.1 -
Enjoy the championship you tosser.Stig said:
Sorry, I'm lost. I tried googling it and just found this, "ETCyt expression vector using Fugene 6 transfection ...". Is ETCYT some localism that I've missed out on, or are are you suggesting that Murray's Weasely face is genetic?Weegie Addick said:
ETCYTcarly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.
Who's laughing now as they sing.3 -
I would love to be enjoying the championship now.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Enjoy the championship you tosser.Stig said:
Sorry, I'm lost. I tried googling it and just found this, "ETCyt expression vector using Fugene 6 transfection ...". Is ETCYT some localism that I've missed out on, or are are you suggesting that Murray's Weasely face is genetic?Weegie Addick said:
ETCYTcarly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.
Who's laughing now as they sing.15 - Sponsored links:
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Agree with that 100% 👍MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.1 -
Has Thomas factored in the increased energy bills? Sorry if I’ve missed this.
just wondering where it fits in with his already unrealistic break even plans.2 -
Realistically, I'm not sure you should base our potential on the number of fans we took to Wembley.MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.
My son's wife came. Never been since. And I suspect won't go again until we are next back at Wembley!
There were many people like that there that day.6 -
Forest Green said last season energy costs were around 90k. They expect that to triple.EugenesAxe said:Has Thomas factored in the increased energy bills? Sorry if I’ve missed this.
just wondering where it fits in with his already unrealistic break even plans.
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Yes indeed so has Thomas planned?benjest1989 said:
Forest Green said last season energy costs were around 90k. They expect that to triple.EugenesAxe said:Has Thomas factored in the increased energy bills? Sorry if I’ve missed this.
just wondering where it fits in with his already unrealistic break even plans.
I'd imagine ours are bigger0 -
Well I imagine it's just common sense and he will blow the fuel bills out of the waterEugenesAxe said:
Yes indeed so has Thomas planned?benjest1989 said:
Forest Green said last season energy costs were around 90k. They expect that to triple.EugenesAxe said:Has Thomas factored in the increased energy bills? Sorry if I’ve missed this.
just wondering where it fits in with his already unrealistic break even plans.
I'd imagine ours are bigger
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Yes. He has disabled all the hand dryers in the bogs. We will all be asked to go down on to the pitch before the match starts and wipe our hands on the grass. This will have the added bonus of not having to use the sprinklers before the match.EugenesAxe said:Has Thomas factored in the increased energy bills? Sorry if I’ve missed this.
just wondering where it fits in with his already unrealistic break even plans.2 -
An example of a business with a £1million turnover in 2020 spent on average 8% of turnover on energy bills, so after all outgoings profit would be £90,000, currently that same business with the same turnover snd outgoings (which in reality are also going up) with a doubling of energy bills, 16% (again the reality is it’s going to be much higher) that £90,000 profit becomes a £230,000 loss.
*stolen from an economic study carried out by Red Flag Economic Studies0 -
And what did Jordan say? "What goes around comes around"Weegie Addick said:
ETCYTcarly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.
Ten-fold in our case.
I still think if Fortune hadn't have equalised, Curbs may have gone at the end of that season, therefore we wouldn't have ended up with Dowie.
Of course Murray's mid-life-crisis had already started by then, so it's likely he would have been just as clueless.1 -
EugenesAxe said:An example of a business with a £1million turnover in 2020 spent on average 8% of turnover on energy bills, so after all outgoings profit would be £90,000, currently that same business with the same turnover snd outgoings (which in reality are also going up) with a doubling of energy bills, 16% (again the reality is it’s going to be much higher) that £90,000 profit becomes a £230,000 loss.
*stolen from an economic study carried out by Red Flag Economic Studies
Wouldn't it become 10k profit? 8% of 1m is 80K, 16% is 160k. 90 minus the additional 80 is 10 no?
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I literally copied the figures as stated, my basic maths couldn’t fathom itCovered_End_Lad said:EugenesAxe said:An example of a business with a £1million turnover in 2020 spent on average 8% of turnover on energy bills, so after all outgoings profit would be £90,000, currently that same business with the same turnover snd outgoings (which in reality are also going up) with a doubling of energy bills, 16% (again the reality is it’s going to be much higher) that £90,000 profit becomes a £230,000 loss.
*stolen from an economic study carried out by Red Flag Economic Studies
Wouldn't it become 10k profit? 8% of 1m is 80K, 16% is 160k. 90 minus the additional 80 is 10 no?
It was an interview on BBC News this morning0 -
100% this. We take huge numbers when we go to Wembley and we’re just little old Smallwall. First time at the old Wembley in 1999 we took nearly 50,000. Everyone who has ever been to a game attends, and usually brings various family members and mates just for a day out.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Realistically, I'm not sure you should base our potential on the number of fans we took to Wembley.MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.
My son's wife came. Never been since. And I suspect won't go again until we are next back at Wembley!
There were many people like that there that day.4 -
My two brothers came with me to the Bauer final and it was the first game we'd all been to together since they last both joined me at the 98 playoff final.
I'm looking forward to catching up with them in 2030 at Wembley to defend our Champions League title.16 -
The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
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If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.0 -
I wouldn't have been surprised if 30% of the numbers that day actually follow other clubs and just had a day out.MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.1 -
And sure those folks would also love a day out in the Premier League too. They start coming back regularly enough and when do they no longer classify as day trippers? That grows the fanbase, hence potential.
If we’re talking diehard CAFC fans only, I reckon you’re probably looking at 20-25,000 worldwide. Of course the rest is going to be made up by day trippers and mates coming along for a day out.0 -
Which makes it a cicular discussion as it was my original point. Supporters of other clubs that have moved locally may want to go to the football if it is a good enough overall product. The may also want to take their kids.CheshireAddick said:
I wouldn't have been surprised if 30% of the numbers that day actually follow other clubs and just had a day out.MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.0 -
I used to support the players and the club.
Now, I support just the club itself. The players come and go. The revolving door of sparrows Lane peaked when the Belgian had a lust to insert his unwanted waffle.
"Back in my day" (early 00s) the players had relatable personalities. Playing football was not just a job for them. They were living their dream and it was clear they had an appreciation for it.
There was at least some form of genuine loyalty and care!
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I took my two sons, and went with an old school friend who'd worked on the Valley Party campaign, for one of the candidates. He used to be a regular season ticket holder when we returned to the Valley, but has drifted away and now has a season ticket at Brighton. I've tried to tempt him back, but so far no joy. I think Brighton is easier to get to for him, for one thing. Bit depressing though.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:My two brothers came with me to the Bauer final and it was the first game we'd all been to together since they last both joined me at the 98 playoff final.
I'm looking forward to catching up with them in 2030 at Wembley to defend our Champions League title.0
