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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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This thread is sometimes uplifting (Bauer mendonca finals) but increasingly concerning. This is the first time I think I have been up to date with it.
I was late to sniffing out MS and ESI. Always thinking they deserved a chance etc.
However twice bitten. TS has now lost my support, my give him a chance view. I really don't like the smell of this.
I don't know what we do about it, if anything. But this isn't a fan base that sits silently by as our, our, club is damaged.
Perhaps more obvious shit has to happen. But I'm afraid the signs are it will.
What if anything do we do. There are people far better able, experienced and committed than me that can give a view, steer, hand.
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Re the energy prices - maybe Thomas will look to change Saturday kick off times to 12/12.30 so as to avoid the need for floodlights? I know it’s being considered at non-league.1
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Believe Martin is doing paper rounds now too for a bit of extra moneyParkinsonOut said:Re the energy prices - maybe Thomas will look to change Saturday kick off times to 12/12.30 so as to avoid the need for floodlights? I know it’s being considered at non-league.4 -
The only thing that gives me hope now is that Garner has mentioned they need 2 more windows to be truly competitive for promotion. This coupled with the fact they have stated the importance of balancing the books and the due diligence they’re obviously putting into this now makes me hope they really do have a plan in place. That’s my hope but only time will tell.TS didn’t do himself any favours when he spouted off about Champions League football in 5 years, blah blah blah. I’m hoping he’s learned from that and is reigning it in big time. But, only time will tell now.0
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This is based on doubling - or sometimes trebling - the revenue in L1, which is fantasy, and is allied to TS’s claim he can sell the ground out in this division (while ratcheting up prices). It is not a plan, it’s a pipedream.Rob said:The only thing that gives me hope now is that Garner has mentioned they need 2 more windows to be truly competitive for promotion. This coupled with the fact they have stated the importance of balancing the books and the due diligence they’re obviously putting into this now makes me hope they really do have a plan in place. That’s my hope but only time will tell.TS didn’t do himself any favours when he spouted off about Champions League football in 5 years, blah blah blah. I’m hoping he’s learned from that and is reigning it in big time. But, only time will tell now.45 -
Maybe it will take them longer to balance the books but my hope is at least they have a plan. Obviously, balancing the books is strongly intertwined with the performances on the field.0
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If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
Who was in the Sunderland end if not Sunderland fans. I can't remember thinking there was empty seats ?
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Rob said:The only thing that gives me hope now is that Garner has mentioned they need 2 more windows to be truly competitive for promotion. This coupled with the fact they have stated the importance of balancing the books and the due diligence they’re obviously putting into this now makes me hope they really do have a plan in place. That’s my hope but only time will tell.TS didn’t do himself any favours when he spouted off about Champions League football in 5 years, blah blah blah. I’m hoping he’s learned from that and is reigning it in big time. But, only time will tell now.
You could say that Thomas Sandgaard is reigning it a lot as we now into the 5 year plan to get back to the Championship but by getting players only when they are out of Contract.0 -
Would not blame him or indeed any football club that did this. Seems eminently sensible in the current circumstances.ParkinsonOut said:Re the energy prices - maybe Thomas will look to change Saturday kick off times to 12/12.30 so as to avoid the need for floodlights? I know it’s being considered at non-league.4 -
It's a pipedream on seriously heavy drugs. So far from reality it's a joke.Airman Brown said:
This is based on doubling - or sometimes trebling - the revenue in L1, which is fantasy, and is allied to TS’s claim he can sell the ground out in this division (while ratcheting up prices). It is not a plan, it’s a pipedream.Rob said:The only thing that gives me hope now is that Garner has mentioned they need 2 more windows to be truly competitive for promotion. This coupled with the fact they have stated the importance of balancing the books and the due diligence they’re obviously putting into this now makes me hope they really do have a plan in place. That’s my hope but only time will tell.TS didn’t do himself any favours when he spouted off about Champions League football in 5 years, blah blah blah. I’m hoping he’s learned from that and is reigning it in big time. But, only time will tell now.4 - Sponsored links:
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Duchatelet over pricing of Valley & Sparrows Lane assts is still the major problem. It’s preventing Charlton from getting decent owners.Duchatelet divided the club from the assets & used crooks / chumps & charlatans to achieve that. Sandgaard was likely the best owner in the circumstances, that Charlton could have realistically received at that moment.Sandgaard saved the club but misunderstood the level of investment required even to get out of league one. A decent person but got carried away & overpromised & under delivered.It’s delusional to fill the Valley on a squad that doesn’t have the depth to sustain a realistic promotion push & a seemingly amateurish & cost cutting approaches off field that ignores decent friendly & local advice.Evidence is that he will sell off the decent youngsters to balance the losses in a not too disimilar way to Duchatelet. Doing that in League one, gets a lower return, and dismays the supporters. A football team needs to drive forward and if it doesn't have the ambition or realistic chance of promotion, then many supporters are not going to bother.Its a real pity that Cat 1 status didn't happen as this appears crucial to Sandgaards strategy. Not sure why it failed this year, surely it can be addressed ? Garner appears a good manager and I like his honesty in interviews. The football is better and it is a real pity that the squad is left light againIts a worry as to what happens to the club, when Sandgaard realises that a League One club is an expensive thing & is not getting adulation for sustaining it. We have that spectre of Duchatelet in the background, who would happily realise any profits from sale of the Valley and Sparrows Lane to claw back some of the money he misspent / wasted whilst owner. Duchatelet has put his own interests ahead of Charlton throughout his involvement.Its worrying times. The only hope is that the difficulties of the Academy getting Cat 1 status are resolved. The only hope that Sandgaard acknowledges reality and tries to get some significant other investor in but who that might be with Duchatelet holding the assets, is totally unclear.17
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Yes but how many of those were released on temporary license?MillwallFan said:
100% this. We take huge numbers when we go to Wembley and we’re just little old Smallwall. First time at the old Wembley in 1999 we took nearly 50,000. Everyone who has ever been to a game attends, and usually brings various family members and mates just for a day out.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Realistically, I'm not sure you should base our potential on the number of fans we took to Wembley.MuttleyCAFC said:
It does, but the point was not that we are bigger than Sunderland, but that we took a lot of fans to Wembley. For a League One Club. And my point was that showed potential.JamesSeed said:
Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.
My son's wife came. Never been since. And I suspect won't go again until we are next back at Wembley!
There were many people like that there that day.
You are right with your point though, I know at least 15 people who went to Wembley that are unlucky to go to another game until we are next there.
I also think that even if we got back to the Premier League filling the ground regularly would not be a given. I don’t think watching top flight football live has the same appeal as it did around the time Charlton were last there.2 -
He didn't save the club. He saved Duchatelet.vff said:Duchatelet over pricing of Valley & Sparrows Lane assts is still the major problem. It’s preventing Charlton from getting decent owners.Duchatelet divided the club from the assets & used crooks / chumps & charlatans to achieve that. Sandgaard was likely the best owner in the circumstances, that Charlton could have realistically received at that moment.Sandgaard saved the club but misunderstood the level of investment required even to get out of league one. A decent person but got carried away & overpromised & under delivered.It’s delusional to fill the Valley on a squad that doesn’t have the depth to sustain a realistic promotion push & a seemingly amateurish & cost cutting approaches off field that ignores decent friendly & local advice.Evidence is that he will sell off the decent youngsters to balance the losses in a not too disimilar way to Duchatelet. Doing that in League one, gets a lower return, and dismays the supporters. A football team needs to drive forward and if it doesn't have the ambition or realistic chance of promotion, then many supporters are not going to bother.Its a real pity that Cat 1 status didn't happen as this appears crucial to Sandgaards strategy. Not sure why it failed this year, surely it can be addressed ? Garner appears a good manager and I like his honesty in interviews. The football is better and it is a real pity that the squad is left light againIts a worry as to what happens to the club, when Sandgaard realises that a League One club is an expensive thing & is not getting adulation for sustaining it. We have that spectre of Duchatelet in the background, who would happily realise any profits from sale of the Valley and Sparrows Lane to claw back some of the money he misspent / wasted whilst owner. Duchatelet has put his own interests ahead of Charlton throughout his involvement.Its worrying times. The only hope is that the difficulties of the Academy getting Cat 1 status are resolved. The only hope that Sandgaard acknowledges reality and tries to get some significant other investor in but who that might be with Duchatelet holding the assets, is totally unclear.6 -
I'm seeing a lot of snide comments and criticisms of Gallen. Tbf I thought he was doing really well by us in the RD days. It's only sine Sandgaard has come in and changed the way recruitment is done that he has been less successful. Others with more inside knowledge may have differet views but this is my view from the outside looking in.Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
That he’s looking around. Wouldn’t have put it out there on its own as it’s just gossip, but it came from elsewhere.FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
I am undecided about Gallen and how good he is but when his only real successful (in monetary terms) acquisition /trading is Macaulay Bonne after, what, 4-5 years at the club I doubt he will have a huge list of employers prepared to pay him well.
On the other hand, him leaving would leave TS and MS in charge of recruitment and you can forget anything happening in January.15 -
I see what you mean, but Duchatelet holds the assets. He achieved his aim. RD would happily see the club go under. Charlton will not prosper with Duchatelet in the background.carly burn said:
He didn't save the club. He saved Duchatelet.vff said:Duchatelet over pricing of Valley & Sparrows Lane assts is still the major problem. It’s preventing Charlton from getting decent owners.Duchatelet divided the club from the assets & used crooks / chumps & charlatans to achieve that. Sandgaard was likely the best owner in the circumstances, that Charlton could have realistically received at that moment.Sandgaard saved the club but misunderstood the level of investment required even to get out of league one. A decent person but got carried away & overpromised & under delivered.It’s delusional to fill the Valley on a squad that doesn’t have the depth to sustain a realistic promotion push & a seemingly amateurish & cost cutting approaches off field that ignores decent friendly & local advice.Evidence is that he will sell off the decent youngsters to balance the losses in a not too disimilar way to Duchatelet. Doing that in League one, gets a lower return, and dismays the supporters. A football team needs to drive forward and if it doesn't have the ambition or realistic chance of promotion, then many supporters are not going to bother.Its a real pity that Cat 1 status didn't happen as this appears crucial to Sandgaards strategy. Not sure why it failed this year, surely it can be addressed ? Garner appears a good manager and I like his honesty in interviews. The football is better and it is a real pity that the squad is left light againIts a worry as to what happens to the club, when Sandgaard realises that a League One club is an expensive thing & is not getting adulation for sustaining it. We have that spectre of Duchatelet in the background, who would happily realise any profits from sale of the Valley and Sparrows Lane to claw back some of the money he misspent / wasted whilst owner. Duchatelet has put his own interests ahead of Charlton throughout his involvement.Its worrying times. The only hope is that the difficulties of the Academy getting Cat 1 status are resolved. The only hope that Sandgaard acknowledges reality and tries to get some significant other investor in but who that might be with Duchatelet holding the assets, is totally unclear.9 -
The day trippers all disappeared within five years of relegation.Callumcafc said:And sure those folks would also love a day out in the Premier League too. They start coming back regularly enough and when do they no longer classify as day trippers? That grows the fanbase, hence potential.
If we’re talking diehard CAFC fans only, I reckon you’re probably looking at 20-25,000 worldwide. Of course the rest is going to be made up by day trippers and mates coming along for a day out.0 -
As is football of today wholesale. Outside of the PL the remaining 72 are 12 month contracts and loans.Dave2l said:I used to support the players and the club.
Now, I support just the club itself. The players come and go. The revolving door of sparrows Lane peaked when the Belgian had a lust to insert his unwanted waffle.
"Back in my day" (early 00s) the players had relatable personalities. Playing football was not just a job for them. They were living their dream and it was clear they had an appreciation for it.
There was at least some form of genuine loyalty and care!0 -
A big shame that it appears there is not much Scandinavian left in him.Rob said:The only thing that gives me hope now is that Garner has mentioned they need 2 more windows to be truly competitive for promotion. This coupled with the fact they have stated the importance of balancing the books and the due diligence they’re obviously putting into this now makes me hope they really do have a plan in place. That’s my hope but only time will tell.TS didn’t do himself any favours when he spouted off about Champions League football in 5 years, blah blah blah. I’m hoping he’s learned from that and is reigning it in big time. But, only time will tell now.
They think about things, then act.
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In a nutshell. Absolutely nailed it.vff said:
I see what you mean, but Duchatelet holds the assets. He achieved his aim. RD would happily see the club go under. Charlton will not prosper with Duchatelet in the background.carly burn said:
He didn't save the club. He saved Duchatelet.vff said:Duchatelet over pricing of Valley & Sparrows Lane assts is still the major problem. It’s preventing Charlton from getting decent owners.Duchatelet divided the club from the assets & used crooks / chumps & charlatans to achieve that. Sandgaard was likely the best owner in the circumstances, that Charlton could have realistically received at that moment.Sandgaard saved the club but misunderstood the level of investment required even to get out of league one. A decent person but got carried away & overpromised & under delivered.It’s delusional to fill the Valley on a squad that doesn’t have the depth to sustain a realistic promotion push & a seemingly amateurish & cost cutting approaches off field that ignores decent friendly & local advice.Evidence is that he will sell off the decent youngsters to balance the losses in a not too disimilar way to Duchatelet. Doing that in League one, gets a lower return, and dismays the supporters. A football team needs to drive forward and if it doesn't have the ambition or realistic chance of promotion, then many supporters are not going to bother.Its a real pity that Cat 1 status didn't happen as this appears crucial to Sandgaards strategy. Not sure why it failed this year, surely it can be addressed ? Garner appears a good manager and I like his honesty in interviews. The football is better and it is a real pity that the squad is left light againIts a worry as to what happens to the club, when Sandgaard realises that a League One club is an expensive thing & is not getting adulation for sustaining it. We have that spectre of Duchatelet in the background, who would happily realise any profits from sale of the Valley and Sparrows Lane to claw back some of the money he misspent / wasted whilst owner. Duchatelet has put his own interests ahead of Charlton throughout his involvement.Its worrying times. The only hope is that the difficulties of the Academy getting Cat 1 status are resolved. The only hope that Sandgaard acknowledges reality and tries to get some significant other investor in but who that might be with Duchatelet holding the assets, is totally unclear.
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There were a few. They didn’t sell quite as many seats as we didsoapboxsam said:swordfish said:
If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
Who was in the Sunderland end if not Sunderland fans. I can't remember thinking there was empty seats ?
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If only there was a way of encouraging him to sell.vff said:
I see what you mean, but Duchatelet holds the assets. He achieved his aim. RD would happily see the club go under. Charlton will not prosper with Duchatelet in the background.carly burn said:
He didn't save the club. He saved Duchatelet.vff said:Duchatelet over pricing of Valley & Sparrows Lane assts is still the major problem. It’s preventing Charlton from getting decent owners.Duchatelet divided the club from the assets & used crooks / chumps & charlatans to achieve that. Sandgaard was likely the best owner in the circumstances, that Charlton could have realistically received at that moment.Sandgaard saved the club but misunderstood the level of investment required even to get out of league one. A decent person but got carried away & overpromised & under delivered.It’s delusional to fill the Valley on a squad that doesn’t have the depth to sustain a realistic promotion push & a seemingly amateurish & cost cutting approaches off field that ignores decent friendly & local advice.Evidence is that he will sell off the decent youngsters to balance the losses in a not too disimilar way to Duchatelet. Doing that in League one, gets a lower return, and dismays the supporters. A football team needs to drive forward and if it doesn't have the ambition or realistic chance of promotion, then many supporters are not going to bother.Its a real pity that Cat 1 status didn't happen as this appears crucial to Sandgaards strategy. Not sure why it failed this year, surely it can be addressed ? Garner appears a good manager and I like his honesty in interviews. The football is better and it is a real pity that the squad is left light againIts a worry as to what happens to the club, when Sandgaard realises that a League One club is an expensive thing & is not getting adulation for sustaining it. We have that spectre of Duchatelet in the background, who would happily realise any profits from sale of the Valley and Sparrows Lane to claw back some of the money he misspent / wasted whilst owner. Duchatelet has put his own interests ahead of Charlton throughout his involvement.Its worrying times. The only hope is that the difficulties of the Academy getting Cat 1 status are resolved. The only hope that Sandgaard acknowledges reality and tries to get some significant other investor in but who that might be with Duchatelet holding the assets, is totally unclear.0 -
I am not sure it is snide to say that Gallens only successful (in monetary terms) signing has been Bonne. Can you name others?soverncomfort said:
I'm seeing a lot of snide comments and criticisms of Gallen. Tbf I thought he was doing really well by us in the RD days. It's only sine Sandgaard has come in and changed the way recruitment is done that he has been less successful. Others with more inside knowledge may have differet views but this is my view from the outside looking in.Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
That he’s looking around. Wouldn’t have put it out there on its own as it’s just gossip, but it came from elsewhere.FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
I am undecided about Gallen and how good he is but when his only real successful (in monetary terms) acquisition /trading is Macaulay Bonne after, what, 4-5 years at the club I doubt he will have a huge list of employers prepared to pay him well.
On the other hand, him leaving would leave TS and MS in charge of recruitment and you can forget anything happening in January.
Of course he has had to deal with a whole range of poor owners and skint budgets but I just don't think his record is stand out enough to jump much up the ladder.1 -
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I think Gallen is probably doing just as good a job, it’s more optics and perceptions playing their part here and a simple fact, the budget is all of a sudden looking leaner.Athletico Charlton said:
I am not sure it is snide to say that Gallens only successful (in monetary terms) signing has been Bonne. Can you name others?soverncomfort said:
I'm seeing a lot of snide comments and criticisms of Gallen. Tbf I thought he was doing really well by us in the RD days. It's only sine Sandgaard has come in and changed the way recruitment is done that he has been less successful. Others with more inside knowledge may have differet views but this is my view from the outside looking in.Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
That he’s looking around. Wouldn’t have put it out there on its own as it’s just gossip, but it came from elsewhere.FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
I am undecided about Gallen and how good he is but when his only real successful (in monetary terms) acquisition /trading is Macaulay Bonne after, what, 4-5 years at the club I doubt he will have a huge list of employers prepared to pay him well.
On the other hand, him leaving would leave TS and MS in charge of recruitment and you can forget anything happening in January.
Of course he has had to deal with a whole range of poor owners and skint budgets but I just don't think his record is stand out enough to jump much up the ladder.Some outgoing players like Davison and Burstow attracted pretty decent money apparently (I know more on the former than latter) while his selling skills are continuing to do their job, we beat off stiff competition including clubs in the Champ for McGrandles, for example.The man comes across highly professionally, is articulate and appears to work his b*ll*cks off. I fear he is a flight risk and will be a real loss for us if the break even noises land at his door. Hopefully his value is recognised and respected. You get what you pay for after all…23 -
Sunderland fans, and lots of them. No empty seats, so I wouldn't disagree on that, but it didn't feel to me like it was 50/50 at the time if you're telling me the allocation was equal. Just my impression, so I may be mistaken.soapboxsam said:swordfish said:
If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
Who was in the Sunderland end if not Sunderland fans. I can't remember thinking there was empty seats ?
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If Wembley was actually in Newcastle not London what do we think the split of fans would have been ? We have the rather large advantage of getting to Wembley on an Oyster card.swordfish7 said:
Sunderland fans, and lots of them. No empty seats, so I wouldn't disagree on that, but it didn't feel to me like it was 50/50 at the time if you're telling me the allocation was equal. Just my impression, so I may be mistaken.soapboxsam said:swordfish said:
If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
Who was in the Sunderland end if not Sunderland fans. I can't remember thinking there was empty seats ?
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If Wembley was actually in Newcastle not London what do we think the split of fans would have been ? We have the rather large advantage of getting to Wembley on an Oyster card.swordfish7 said:
Sunderland fans, and lots of them. No empty seats, so I wouldn't disagree on that, but it didn't feel to me like it was 50/50 at the time if you're telling me the allocation was equal. Just my impression, so I may be mistaken.soapboxsam said:swordfish said:
If that was 50/50 I'm a Dutchman's Uncle!soapboxsam said:The Super clive final when the best ever bona fide hat trick was scored at Wembley, Sunderland had many fans in the Charlton Allocation. Some were removed early doors.
Millwall fan has explained that the off one relation or mate will turn up for the clubs who don't get to Wembley too often.
Wasn't it more 50/50 in the BFG winning goal final and last time I checked we are a tad nearer than Sunderland to the Stadium.
They had had a Shocking run of losing at Wembley which they only overcame last season when there were plenty of Wearsiders in London for a couple of days over the bank holiday.
Who was in the Sunderland end if not Sunderland fans. I can't remember thinking there was empty seats ?
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That was given about a yard in front of our front row seat.....was the biggest refereeing cock up Ive ever seen.....was like a French Farce.... would have been funny had it not had such a negative impact on the club.DamoNorthStand said:carly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.The free kick that never was at home v Fulham that lead to their last minute equaliser. We would have stayed up were it not for that.4 -
SG is excellent at what he does people seem to have forgot the signings we made and had to compete against other sides one or two in the championship to get these players signed .. it’s not about one day the transfer window we had our target, deal agreed weeks before but the player got the championship move he wanted even then we hoped to get him on loan but late on deadline day we had to move targets hence Bonne .. even then SG done everything he could do deal was agreed , medical passed then QPR pull the rug because they could not get the player they want .. and that sum up the final day of the window you have your targets .. one deal starts a knock on affect you can’t blame SG TS or the club for thatPavoren007 said:
I think Gallen is probably doing just as good a job, it’s more optics and perceptions playing their part here and a simple fact, the budget is all of a sudden looking leaner.Athletico Charlton said:
I am not sure it is snide to say that Gallens only successful (in monetary terms) signing has been Bonne. Can you name others?soverncomfort said:
I'm seeing a lot of snide comments and criticisms of Gallen. Tbf I thought he was doing really well by us in the RD days. It's only sine Sandgaard has come in and changed the way recruitment is done that he has been less successful. Others with more inside knowledge may have differet views but this is my view from the outside looking in.Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
That he’s looking around. Wouldn’t have put it out there on its own as it’s just gossip, but it came from elsewhere.FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
I am undecided about Gallen and how good he is but when his only real successful (in monetary terms) acquisition /trading is Macaulay Bonne after, what, 4-5 years at the club I doubt he will have a huge list of employers prepared to pay him well.
On the other hand, him leaving would leave TS and MS in charge of recruitment and you can forget anything happening in January.
Of course he has had to deal with a whole range of poor owners and skint budgets but I just don't think his record is stand out enough to jump much up the ladder.Some outgoing players like Davison and Burstow attracted pretty decent money apparently (I know more on the former than latter) while his selling skills are continuing to do their job, we beat off stiff competition including clubs in the Champ for McGrandles, for example.The man comes across highly professionally, is articulate and appears to work his b*ll*cks off. I fear he is a flight risk and will be a real loss for us if the break even noises land at his door. Hopefully his value is recognised and respected. You get what you pay for after all…
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When we had some budget from RD we signed Cullen and Bielek on loan.
When we had crooks for owners/were on an embargo we didn't ......
Have a guess what changed. It wasn't SG's negotiation skills!11
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