Lineker and Attenborough

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.

I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment

I'd take the lawyer over you and Suella. No offense. 

jimmymelrose said:

This thread has descended into a debate about what Lineker said. In doing so, you're missing the point.

It doesn't matter what he said. He should be allowed to say what he wants. We can debate how far free speech goes i.e prejudiced speech, insults etc. But he didn't do anything untoward like that. He merely stated an opinion.

We should all be allowed to give an opinion without losing one's job. I still maintain that Glenn Hoddle should have kept his job.

The debate here should be about free speech not whether today's government really does mirror the German government in the 1930s.

Lineker has simply illustrated that the right to free speech in the UK has been eradicated. If you believe in free speech then you support Lineker regardless of what he said.

Free speech with Caveats:
Lineker didn't do a Donald Trump and tell his Twitter followers to storm parliament.
He is not a news presenter.
He didn't say "fuck the Tories."

Lineker is a Clever guy and he knew that the Conservative double act of Director-General Davie and Chairman Sharp would react.
At least he has done it from a strong power base with loyal colleges and Davie is a doughnut if he didn't realize what would unfold.
500k plus wages for Davie as DG and yet he had no clue about public opinions. It's a real talent to be able to read the room; he must be dyslexic.

This needed to happen as Emily Maitlis left the BBC as she had her wrists slapped despite being a top journalist by the Tory Tim Davie. Others have been warned about  texts and tweets and even the way they react to news stories.
Davie wants nodding dogs with muzzles on.

Maitlis interview with the Arsehole Andrew Windsor was comedy gold and she should've been praised but the cabal with Davie at the helm was determined to gag top journalists. 

Is ‘lefty’ a new term for not a racist? 

The UNHCR also believes that the proposed legislation is illegal

The UK is a founder member of the European Convention on Human Rights and this Government would consider removing the UK in order to bring in their inhuman legislation.

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.

Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.

I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.

I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.

what? Centre forward?

bloody goal hanger

Manic_mania said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.

Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.

I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.

I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.

what? Centre forward?

bloody goal hanger

He always took the glory whilst letting others do the hard work.

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.

I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment

That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.

Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.

There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger. 

stop_shouting said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.

I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment

That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.

Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.

There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger. 

Rwanda is/was a ridiculous proposal. Personally, I think the new proposal has some legs.

How do you think it will work?

Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a country to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants.  Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.

But even if you are a mouth foamer, you must understand that it will not be a deterrent. Stop Shouting (I am not calling him a mouth foamer) has said it is a ridiculous proposal but Braverman and the Government still keep going on about it. Do you not think there is a reason for this? 

stop_shouting said:

CharltonMadrid said:

Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a place to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants.  Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.

I agree with the first bit but not the second. Policy is not inflammatory language. Anyone that thinks Lineker throwing about comparisons to the third reich is acceptable, is as wrong as he is. 

I don’t know how many times people have to say it. That’s not what he’s said or done. 

Can see this spiraling to the resignation of the director general. 

ME14addick said:

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

Gary Poole said:

stop_shouting said:

vff said:

stop_shouting said:

R0TW said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill

He’s an absolute fucking parasite 

Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?

Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years.  The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.

Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.

KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.

I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassment

That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.

Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.

This won't stop the boats. We all want to stop people being trafficked in small boats, so opening up safe legal routes is the best way. We have an obligation to take our fair share of refugees. 

That’s not the point though. Making the problem solvable by having safe routes and good due process wouldn’t serve the governments agenda to create someone for the rightys to hate.