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I'd take the lawyer over you and Suella. No offense.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.15 -
I don't think people are complaining, just highlighting the hypocrisy of this situation.LenGlover said:Those comparing Lord Alan Sugar with Lineker should remember that Lord Sugar is a member of the House of Lords, part of the legislature of this country, sitting I believe on the Labour benches.
His role there probably trumps his part as Big Boss on a BBC reality programme.1 -
jimmymelrose said:This thread has descended into a debate about what Lineker said. In doing so, you're missing the point.
It doesn't matter what he said. He should be allowed to say what he wants. We can debate how far free speech goes i.e prejudiced speech, insults etc. But he didn't do anything untoward like that. He merely stated an opinion.
We should all be allowed to give an opinion without losing one's job. I still maintain that Glenn Hoddle should have kept his job.
The debate here should be about free speech not whether today's government really does mirror the German government in the 1930s.
Lineker has simply illustrated that the right to free speech in the UK has been eradicated. If you believe in free speech then you support Lineker regardless of what he said.
Free speech with Caveats:
Lineker didn't do a Donald Trump and tell his Twitter followers to storm parliament.
He is not a news presenter.
He didn't say "fuck the Tories."
Lineker is a Clever guy and he knew that the Conservative double act of Director-General Davie and Chairman Sharp would react.
At least he has done it from a strong power base with loyal colleges and Davie is a doughnut if he didn't realize what would unfold.
500k plus wages for Davie as DG and yet he had no clue about public opinions. It's a real talent to be able to read the room; he must be dyslexic.
This needed to happen as Emily Maitlis left the BBC as she had her wrists slapped despite being a top journalist by the Tory Tim Davie. Others have been warned about texts and tweets and even the way they react to news stories.
Davie wants nodding dogs with muzzles on.
Maitlis interview with the Arsehole Andrew Windsor was comedy gold and she should've been praised but the cabal with Davie at the helm was determined to gag top journalists.
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I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.vff said:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.2 -
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That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.3 -
The UNHCR also believes that the proposed legislation is illegal
The UK is a founder member of the European Convention on Human Rights and this Government would consider removing the UK in order to bring in their inhuman legislation.8 -
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
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what? Centre forward?stop_shouting said:
I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.vff said:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
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If you're not allowed to appear on the BBC because you make political statements while you're not on the BBC, I guess that means there will be no government ministers interviewed tomorrow.
Or, don't the rules apply as evenly as that?1 - Sponsored links:
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This won't stop the boats. We all want to stop people being trafficked in small boats, so opening up safe legal routes is the best way. We have an obligation to take our fair share of refugees.stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.24 -
Do you think what is being proposed will really stop people coming to this country in small boats risking their lives in doing so?stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
If the government really wanted to address this issue they would look to crack the organised crime rings that are doing this and formalise the process of claiming asylum in this country and process applications in an expedient way.
This policy is nothing more than a dog whistle to the far right and an attempt to win support from the gullible. In those terms it has been quite successful.18 -
He always took the glory whilst letting others do the hard work.Manic_mania said:
what? Centre forward?stop_shouting said:
I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.vff said:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
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The footballing version of Jay Blades off the repair shopstop_shouting said:
He always took the glory whilst letting others do the hard work.Manic_mania said:
what? Centre forward?stop_shouting said:
I’m not on the wind up. I have a different view to you and I think Lineker is abusing his position.vff said:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.I think you are on a wind up, so ain't going to bite. You not liking Gary Linekar has got feck all to with the debate on the illegal migrant bill that is acknowledged by its authors that it is likely illegal in International Law. The confected outrage about someone opposing an inhumane bill and attack on them is part of the playbook. The aim to draw away from the actual unworkable and inhumane bill.Also the dehumanising and misrepresentation of language about people seeking refuge. Add in the concerning thing of a Conservative hard right influenced authorian government and associated right wing media trying to veto opinion and opposition to its terrible bill within a national broadcaster.I will leave it that, ain't going to comment on your stuff, as I am pretty sure it’s an attempted wind up and I have better things to do.
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stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger.
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Rwanda is/was a ridiculous proposal. Personally, I think the new proposal has some legs.MuttleyCAFC said:stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger.1 -
How do you think it will work?stop_shouting said:
Rwanda is/was a ridiculous proposal. Personally, I think the new proposal has some legs.MuttleyCAFC said:stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger.0 -
What’s more likely to happen to anyone sent to Rwanda is the same that happened to refugees sent there from Israel. Money taken off them, beaten up, raped and trafficked again. That’s the reality.MuttleyCAFC said:stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.
There is smoke and mirrors in all of this. You are being played. The only way to stop the boats is to get a strong co-operative agreement with France. Which to be fair, Sunak has been trying to do this week. There are only about 200 places in Rwanda if it is fully operational and unless those sent there are locked up indefinitely they can try to get back here! How will that stop them if drowning in a cold English Channel doesn't stop them? Where do you send these people once they come in? France is the only practical option. And you should look at a real solution if you don't want the crossings not a fabricated one that won't work or do you prefer just to be led by anger.3 -
Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a country to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants. Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.9
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Government spokespeople say that Rwanda is a reasonable place to send people but they want to create a deterrent.
So how are they deterring people by promoting the end destination of Rwanda as a place of milk and honey?1 - Sponsored links:
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But even if you are a mouth foamer, you must understand that it will not be a deterrent. Stop Shouting (I am not calling him a mouth foamer) has said it is a ridiculous proposal but Braverman and the Government still keep going on about it. Do you not think there is a reason for this?1
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I agree with the first bit but not the second. Policy is not inflammatory language. Anyone that thinks Lineker throwing about comparisons to the third reich is acceptable, is as wrong as he is.CharltonMadrid said:Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a place to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants. Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.2 -
I don’t know how many times people have to say it. That’s not what he’s said or done.stop_shouting said:
I agree with the first bit but not the second. Policy is not inflammatory language. Anyone that thinks Lineker throwing about comparisons to the third reich is acceptable, is as wrong as he is.CharltonMadrid said:Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a place to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants. Can't think of any other reason. Every policy they make just seems to appeal to cruelty so I think it is very fair of Lineker as a public figure to highlight that and the danger of inflammatory language which definitely has a sinister historical precedent.6 -
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stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.You are not really paying attention to the illegal migrant policy only to the headline. That's what the government want you to focus on. There are only a few places in Rwanda and it is a hugely expensive and impractical solution. There are insufficient and no suitable accommodation for refugees that would be locked up. The government are not working through the 160,000 backlog of applications that would ensure those that can contribute can work and those that don't meet the criteria are returned.There is no right to return to the country that the refugees arrived from. There is no joined up co operation with the French to tackle criminal gangs. The policy will not work. Its just a dog whistle headline to make it look like the government is doing something.The refugees are being misrepresened as illegal when 70% would be accepted as refugees if assessed. UK takes far lower amounts of refugees than majority of other European countries. The reason why the country is in such a state, your bills are so high, the economy is in such a state, there are insufficient houses being built, lack of affordable housing, extorniate rents with no check on the condition of those properties is largely down to this Conservative government. The sewage in the sea and rivers. It is not due to the refugees coming in on boats. The hard right conservatives are trying to fool people, misdirect and distract from their complete ineptness, denseness and lack of any sense in their policies. This disgrace of a government deserve the electoral wipe out that's coming their way.20 -
As far as I'm aware, the reason they chose Rwanda was simply that it was the only country whose government was willing to talk to them about the plan. They did try some others, but the relevant governments told them where to go in no uncertain terms.CharltonMadrid said:Rwanda seemed to be chosen as a country to send refugees purely on its association as a terrifying place, to gratify those who want to punish migrants. Can't think of any other reason.2 -
Can see this spiraling to the resignation of the director general.5 -
Exactly. Look at Jacob Rees-Moggbobmunro said:Ronnietheghost said:There’s nothing worse than a rich smug twat who thinks he is a socialist , the worse kind of hypocrite
So you can't be rich and a socialist?4 -
That’s not the point though. Making the problem solvable by having safe routes and good due process wouldn’t serve the governments agenda to create someone for the rightys to hate.ME14addick said:
This won't stop the boats. We all want to stop people being trafficked in small boats, so opening up safe legal routes is the best way. We have an obligation to take our fair share of refugees.stop_shouting said:
Anything to try and stop the boats and undocumented young blokes roaming around the country is deemed rascist. It’s ridiculous. Surely something needs to change. Anyway, this is about Lineker breaking impartiality rules which I’m pretty sure he’s done.Gary Poole said:
That doesn’t surprise me, but it also doesn’t make either you or Bravrerman correct. I suspect she won’t sue KC Daw for libel and I also suspect the asylum bill as it stands will be proved to be illegal. Perhaps the government will change the law to accommodate it.stop_shouting said:
I don’t agree with well known lefty KC Daw either. Any KC that goes public with comments like that is an embarrassmentGary Poole said:
KC Chris Daw doesn’t agree with you, he said this:stop_shouting said:
Sorry but what’s illegal here that he’s expressing an opinion on? I’m sure the Home Secretary is more likely to be on the right side of the law than the lefty parasite. I wonder what his “opinion” is on the allegations that his brother has date raped young girls and embezzled numerous people. I’d be interested to hear that.vff said:stop_shouting said:
He’s an absolute fucking parasiteR0TW said:Seriously, you think it is about a tax bill ?Gary Linekar is expressing an opinion about an illegal, unworkable, inhuman that will break human rights conventions and brands refugees as guilty economic migrants before assessment. The Conservatives who allowed the waiting list for asylum decisions to rocket to over 160,000 in 13 years. The Conservatives, who have closed off legal routes and know full well that this policy will fail. It’s all to deflect accountability and distract from the terrible state of the country on just about everything on their watch. All for a cynical ploy to save their policital skins from a deserved electoral hiding.
Braverman’s blatant lies about the legal position on the asylum bill, including that her “army of lawyers” say it “might be legal”, are so serious and so extreme that she should be disbarred. She is welcome to sue me for libel and I will happily see her in court.5 -
Attenborough has left the conversations. The BBC said that episode was never going to air anyway. Is that us being gas lit? I struggle to understand that term.0
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