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Lineker and Attenborough

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  • Simple look at judgements in favour of uber drivers.
  • edited March 2023
    msomerton said:
    Simple look at judgements in favour of uber drivers.
    that did not answer my question to begin with. Again the decision would not be ruled in the courts. And the key issue with the ruling to uber drivers is the Uber controlled there employmen wholly. If uber did not give them work then they did not work and ABSOULUTELY key is there was an obligation to work. Now lets look at deliveroo drivers. They raised a case agaisnt Deliveroo in exactly the same manner and lost there case. The tribunal ruling that they were contractros and not employees..

    So whilst you have cited uber drivers you have not actually explained what court would deem Gary Lineker an employee. Further to this you have not explained how the judgement related to Uber drivers has any binding power over the BBC's decision to not consider Gary Linker an employee. 

    Ive read both the judgements on Uber driver and also on deliveroo drivers so id love to hear how you think the Uber case applies to the BBC and Gary. You have actually read the judgement in the Uber case before telling me to go and have a look at it haven't you ?


  • bobmunro said:
    Lineker is the same as an Uber driver? Of course he is - how silly of us (including the BBC) not to see that similarity!

    He contacts to the BBC, BT, ITV, Walkers and has his own production company.

    He is 100% a self-employed freelancer.

    And yet subject to HMRC investigation of his tax status as such. 
  • And yet subject to HMRC investigation of his tax status as such. 
    That's because HMRC doesn't know its arse from elbow on IR35 and lose more cases than they win.
  • And yet subject to HMRC investigation of his tax status as such. 

    It was at the insistence of the BBC that he was deemed a freelancer and paid through a limited company and it is the employer's responsibility to determine the tax status. I would bet a pound to a penny that Lineker will defend the investigation successfully.

    The point about whether or not he is an employee is immaterial as the BBC took the action they did a couple of days ago whilst insisting that he was a freelancer.



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  • bobmunro said:

    It was at the insistence of the BBC that he was deemed a freelancer and paid through a limited company and it is the employer's responsibility to determine the tax status. I would bet a pound to a penny that Lineker will defend the investigation successfully.

    The point about whether or not he is an employee is immaterial as the BBC took the action they did a couple of days ago whilst insisting that he was a freelancer.



    I’m only adding to your comment on his worker status.  Of course he will defend it as other presenters have. Some successfully,  some not. 

    I have no issue with his tweets. They are his views and not the BBC and I don’t think anyone really confuses the two.  I took minimal notice until now!

    HMRC are generally reported as pursuing high profile names to try and justify their tightening of legislation on IR35 and prove points etc.  


  • edited March 2023
    If he is freelance, he is not under contract? Correct?
    If not under contract he could be released tomorrow?
    If he is operating as a limited company, isn’t he in effect, a sole trader to the BBC?
    Couldnt give a toss about Lineker to be honest, but am interested in IR35 law
  • edited March 2023
    R0TW said:
    If he is freelance, he is not under contract? Correct?
    If not under contract he could be released tomorrow?
    Couldnt give a toss about Lineker to be honest, but am interested in IR35 law
    If he's freelance he won't have an employment contract but instead a contract to provide services. There are likely to be notice provisions both ways. I worked under such contracts (for rather less money) for a good few years before falling within ir35 and essentially becoming an employee under an umbrella company, which was an admin headache.

    If he's operating as a limited company then he's not a sole trader - that's kind of the point of the limited company arrangement.
  • R0TW said:
    If he is freelance, he is not under contract? Correct?
    If not under contract he could be released tomorrow?
    Couldnt give a toss about Lineker to be honest, but am interested in IR35 law
    Nope. He has "A " contract with the BBC and also contracts with other companies at the same time. 

    If it was as simple as end the contract then they'd have done that straight away.
  • The world is full of fucking comedians.
  • I pay a builder to put up an extension. 

    Am I therefore his employer?

    of course not. 
  • R0TW said:
    If he is freelance, he is not under contract? Correct?
    If not under contract he could be released tomorrow?
    If he is operating as a limited company, isn’t he in effect, a sole trader to the BBC?
    Couldnt give a toss about Lineker to be honest, but am interested in IR35 law
    I worked "freelance" for many years and always had a contract.
  • Because the vast majority of his employment is for the BBC. 
  • seth plum said:
    People can have different opinions, it is when those opinions are manifested in actions that hatred and division occurs.
    A vote is an action.

    Yet without division, there'd be no vote. I can accept other's voting as they do without hating them. That doesn't mean I agree with what they're voting for.
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  • edited March 2023
    msomerton said:
    Because the vast majority of his employment is for the BBC. 

    He earns almost as much from Walkers as he does from the BBC.

    Irrelevant anyway as the BBC consider him to be self-employed and not an employee and the current IR35 regulations rests the responsibility for determining tax status on the employer.
  • edited March 2023
    msomerton said:
    Because the vast majority of his employment is for the BBC. 
    He works for the BBC around 35-45 days a year. A few more in a world cup or euros year, but a tiny proportion of the 252 working days in a year
  • I have to say it’s noticeable how one side of this debate has fallen into weird semantic debates such as “Hitler wasn’t democratically elected” or “Lineker isn’t actually a freelancer”.

    I wonder why that might be…
    As someone in the “Hitler wasn’t democratically elected” discussion I’d love to know why I’ve done that. Please let me know…
    .
  • edited March 2023
    rananegra said:
    He's hardly a socialist, more of a liberal. Criticised Corbyn in tweets that weren't deemed a threat to the BBC's "impartiality". 
    Out of interest what do you call poor conservatives? Sewage-water drinkers? Or is it only rich people having values that don't match their perceived economic interests something to slag off?
    He’s probably Blairite Labour isn’t he?

    btw is being a champagne socialist supposed to be a bad thing @Silverdreammachine ?  🍾🥂
  • rananegra said:
    He's hardly a socialist, more of a liberal. Criticised Corbyn in tweets that weren't deemed a threat to the BBC's "impartiality". 
    Out of interest what do you call poor conservatives? Sewage-water drinkers? Or is it only rich people having values that don't match their perceived economic interests something to slag off?
    Self harmers?
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