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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    randy andy said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    I just cannot understand why a parent would leave a loaded gun lying about
    This is the central dichotomy of US gun ownership. If you own a gun for self defense, then it needs to loaded and easily accessible, which of course is totally irresponsible. But if you're a responsible gun owner who keeps the gun unloaded and secured, then it's completely useless for self defense.

    Americans need to be more honest with themselves. They own guns because they like owning guns. Stop pretending they're for home defense and lock them up when not in use.
    Just for the sake of argument I’ll adopt the idea that someone owning a gun does so for reasons of protection and also buy into the need for it to be loaded and quickly accessible. That doesn’t necessitate that the weapon is kept in a position that is accessible to everyone and particularly to children. I can think of plenty of places in my house where I could place a weapon, not in view or where my grandchildren could lay hands on it. Not under lock and key. It begs the question that if it’s not very easily accessible then what’s the point. To get around that you’d need to be wearing a firearm. Whatever way you come from it’s insane. The parents of children who access guns that lead to deaths should be criminally responsible. I assume they are. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    cafcnick1992 said:
    I just cannot understand why a parent would leave a loaded gun lying about
    Because if there are many millions of guns (there are more guns that people in the US I think?) then it's an inevitability. 

    The country is terminally sick. One way to save it would be to teach school kids about media ownership and the spread of conspiracy theories online, as they do in Finland. The US is a post truth society now, and that really needs to change.
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,350
    https://youtu.be/0rR9IaXH1M0
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,102
    Six people, three of them children, have been killed in a primary school shooting in Nashville.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65087221
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    edited March 2023
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    NomadicAddick said:
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
     Loads of things on this forum that are irrelevant to a football forum of a local team. 

    Don't want to read it? Ignore it.
  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    Dazzler21 said:
    NomadicAddick said:
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
     Loads of things on this forum that are irrelevant to a football forum of a local team. 

    Don't want to read it? Ignore it.
    So you like to read about things like this and think it should be on Charlton Life? Very odd. 

  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    NomadicAddick said:
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
    7 of your last 10 posts havent been about football.

    #justsaying
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    NomadicAddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    NomadicAddick said:
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
     Loads of things on this forum that are irrelevant to a football forum of a local team. 

    Don't want to read it? Ignore it.
    So you like to read about things like this and think it should be on Charlton Life? Very odd. 

    There are lots of threads that don’t interest me on here so I don’t open them.

     I find it odd that you entered this thread to tell people to stop posting as you don’t agree with it, very odd
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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,679
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
    If all females were heavily armed I’m sure things would be a lot safer. 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071

  • Foxycafc
    Foxycafc Posts: 1,210
    stop_shouting said:
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
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    I’m sure they’ll love that in America
  • Foxycafc
    Foxycafc Posts: 1,210
    edited March 2023
    “No possible way to prevent this”, says the only country where this regularly occurs.
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    I love their country but I just can’t stand Americans.  I worked over there on and off for a couple of years and many of them were really nice but there were some frighteningly odd people out there too.  A lot more than I encounter over here.  
    I always wanted to retire out there one day but I just can’t see things improving over there because they are so intent on giving guns to nutters.  The arguments will rage on out there and, like everything else out there, the nation is soooo divided about things that they won’t ever go forward.  It’s always 50/50 so there’s no massive majority either way for all key decisions 

    sad really - beautiful place to visit but it is let down by its people and their inability to stop shooting stuff.  
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,596
    edited March 2023
    Bored of reading about it now. If they’re that fucking thick they can’t see what the issue is, just arm them all and let them crack on.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    BigRedEvil said:

    So glad I wasn't born in the USA. Cesspool of a country.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    Swisdom said:
    I love their country but I just can’t stand Americans.  I worked over there on and off for a couple of years and many of them were really nice but there were some frighteningly odd people out there too.  A lot more than I encounter over here.  
    I always wanted to retire out there one day but I just can’t see things improving over there because they are so intent on giving guns to nutters.  The arguments will rage on out there and, like everything else out there, the nation is soooo divided about things that they won’t ever go forward.  It’s always 50/50 so there’s no massive majority either way for all key decisions 

    sad really - beautiful place to visit but it is let down by its people and their inability to stop shooting stuff.  
    Perhaps retire to Canada? It's also a beautiful country but without the gun issue.
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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    Debate about trans terrorism in the States given that the gunman was apparently trans. Guns obviously not the main issue.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Thoughts from our potential new owner.


  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    stop_shouting said:
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
    Trans
    biological woman that used male pronouns on social medial apparently 
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,636
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Debate about trans terrorism in the States given that the gunman was apparently trans. Guns obviously not the main issue.
    Gunthey/them
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,917
    Try and talk to a yank about this issue and they'll just respond with 'uk has knife crime'... they are beyond saving.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,142
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
    Didnt the boomtown rats sing a song about a female shooter going back. I dont like mondays, cant recall her name.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
    Didnt the boomtown rats sing a song about a female shooter going back. I dont like mondays, cant recall her name.
    so they did! Certainly not common though. I made the mistake of looking on twitter about it.. absolute cesspit.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,142
    McBobbin said:
    Chippycafc said:
    McBobbin said:
    Must be the first school shooting I can think of where the perpetrator was female. No doubt the discussion will be about everything other than gun availability 
    Didnt the boomtown rats sing a song about a female shooter going back. I dont like mondays, cant recall her name.
    so they did! Certainly not common though. I made the mistake of looking on twitter about it.. absolute cesspit.
    She was a right nut if i recall.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    NomadicAddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    NomadicAddick said:
    What is people's fascination to keep reporting atrocities like this on a football forum, and a local team one too? The USA is a f***ed country and has nothing to with our life in the UK. 
     For goodness sake please leave it alone. 
     Loads of things on this forum that are irrelevant to a football forum of a local team. 

    Don't want to read it? Ignore it.
    So you like to read about things like this and think it should be on Charlton Life? Very odd. 
     I don't like to read or see many things that I see in the news, however I believe it is important to be aware of what's is going on in the world. 

    I'd suggest sorting by "General Charlton" if that's all you want to read on the forum. 
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    shine166 said:
    Try and talk to a yank about this issue and they'll just respond with 'uk has knife crime'... they are beyond saving.
    You can even point out at the London Bridge terror attacks the bad guys only had knifes and the police had guns and executed them pretty quickly and it falls on death ears. 
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