Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446

th0rryy said:

Covered_End_Lad said:

We may end up seing something like this against Oxford:

             AMB

   Assimwe  Jones Ness Edun

    Anderson Dobson Camara

      

            CBT

       C.Campbell  May

With CBT switching wings almost in a free role behind Campbell and May rather than as a classic 10.

I REALLY like the idea of having CB-T in a free role like this, allowing him to move to either side or simply run at defenders down the middle. I think that switching wings during the game would give teams more to think about and mix up his cutting inside on the left with getting to the by-line and drilling in low crosses from the right. 

I think it could work, but I sadly don't think we'll try it and he'll permanently stay on the left. Line-up feels pretty likely, coinflips on Taylor/Camará , Ness/Hector and maybe one of the injured players returning to the bench (Leaburn?).

killerandflash said:

BR7_addick said:

Luke freeman released by Luton.  
Ticks a lot of (charlton life) boxes:

Versatile.  
Set piece specialist.
Ex charlton.
Dartford born. 

Although, he’s not that tall..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Freeman

He spent two years at Charlton before being released "for being too small".

Fails the Charlton Life height test though 

GetYerCoreyOut said:

killerandflash said:

BR7_addick said:

Luke freeman released by Luton.  
Ticks a lot of (charlton life) boxes:

Versatile.  
Set piece specialist.
Ex charlton.
Dartford born. 

Although, he’s not that tall..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Freeman

He spent two years at Charlton before being released "for being too small".

Fails the Charlton Life height test though 

If this is true, I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to come back lmao

fenaddick said:

sam3110 said:

fenaddick said:

RC_CAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

For clarity I am not saying for 1 minute get rid of Holden, but can’t put all the blame on recruitment and the ownership, he has to take some responsibility. As we have had enough on the pitch to get results 

He has and we have shown enough. The reason we aren’t on at least 7 points is individual errors. Which I think in this short term, you can’t really put on him. Hector’s mistake in that last game was so poor for someone of his experience.

I think individual errors are a mindset thing though and that is on Holden, especially given that’s something he talks about a lot. The Asiimwe one I can forgive because he must have mentally and physically exhausted by that point but there aren’t really any excuses for the others 

A player mis-controlling the ball CANNOT be blamed on the manager, that's absolutely ridiculous! May as well start blaming the manager for the weather or if the train to the game is delayed ffs

In isolation I agree but I think there’s a pattern of individual errors causing us goals. I rate Holden and think he’s doing a good job but lapses in concentration and how we react to them is something he needs to work with the team to eliminate surely 

Oggy Red said:

Chunes said:

I have a bit of an issue with the word 'decent' being used to describe our first team players.

For 'decent', I read 'mid-table L1 standard.'

To get out of this league we need good/outstanding players. We've not had a CB like that since we last went up. 

I dunno, I believe most of our players are 'decent/good' and a few have outstanding qualities - but to get out of this league, what you need is consistancy.
And for a few reasons, we are not seeing that yet.

It's consistant teams that get results ...... teams full of outstanding players often flatter to deceive.

Bexleyheath_Addick said:

DOUCHER said:

NabySarr said:

cafcfan1990 said:

NabySarr said:

Chunes said:

I have a bit of an issue with the word 'decent' being used to describe our first team players.

For 'decent', I read 'mid-table L1 standard.

To get out of this league we need good/outstanding players. We've not had a CB like that since we last went up. 

That is what I would describe our back line as tbh. But I would say our midfield and attack are quality for league 1 (when they are back fit). 

It’s difficult in one summer to get a team that is high quality in every position, even our last promotion team had a lot of ‘decent’ players playing a lot. But they had enough quality elsewhere on the pitch which we might also have. 

Do agree though that a CB should be a priority but I’m not sure it is so we will have to hope that Hector is just rusty and will get better, hope that Jones will improve and that Ness/Deji will step up 

I'm not sure our attack could be described as quality when we're so lacking up top. I agree that when I look at the CMs I put ours right amongst the best in the league. The defence lets us down a little bit. 

That is a good point and hopefully we do add to it, but when we have Leaburn and May starting games that is probably the best front 2 in the league

I think we are overrating Leaburn here - he has potential but he needs to be third choice for us to get out of this division this year - still need a proven striker to play up top with May  

I think he's underrated if anything. We have a 6ft4, pacey and skillful young striker on our hands, who got 12 goals last year in an average league 1 team whilst still missing games through injury. His footwork and skill with the ball at his feet for someone of his height and build is remarkable. He's got good finishing ability and isn't your average big lump to shove up-front. Yet people still downplay him by saying he can't be our starting striker along with May? He'll get minimum 15 goals this year if he can stay injury free.

Oggy Red said:

Chunes said:

Oggy Red said:

Chunes said:

I have a bit of an issue with the word 'decent' being used to describe our first team players.

For 'decent', I read 'mid-table L1 standard.'

To get out of this league we need good/outstanding players. We've not had a CB like that since we last went up. 

I dunno, I believe most of our players are 'decent/good' and a few have outstanding qualities - but to get out of this league, what you need is consistancy.
And for a few reasons, we are not seeing that yet.

It's consistant teams that get results ...... teams full of outstanding players often flatter to deceive.

For example...?

You've been watching games and players for a long time, Chunes.

You know what I mean.

Chunes said:

Oggy Red said:

Chunes said:

Oggy Red said:

Chunes said:

I have a bit of an issue with the word 'decent' being used to describe our first team players.

For 'decent', I read 'mid-table L1 standard.'

To get out of this league we need good/outstanding players. We've not had a CB like that since we last went up. 

I dunno, I believe most of our players are 'decent/good' and a few have outstanding qualities - but to get out of this league, what you need is consistancy.
And for a few reasons, we are not seeing that yet.

It's consistant teams that get results ...... teams full of outstanding players often flatter to deceive.

For example...?

You've been watching games and players for a long time, Chunes.

You know what I mean.

I honestly don't. When I think of teams full of outstanding players, I think of Man City / Ipswich, both of whom have done well. 

sam3110 said:

Ok, Ipswich a couple of seasons ago, I've seen people envious of the squad Portsmouth put together and they achieved nothing last season too.

It happens

Callumcafc said:

sam3110 said:

fenaddick said:

RC_CAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

NabySarr said:

DubaiCAFC said:

Never pleasing people… we sign a someone who is decent, highly rated. 

Played in the premier league, had a decent loan at the end of the season in League One, but it isn’t enough..

Holden has already proven this year we are not going to stick to the same formation, it is a signing that gives us options, from the start or from the bench to change the game.

I expect 1 free in (Dabo) 2 or 3 loans and maybe one more fee being paid if the right deal can be agreed.

For me, our biggest issue is, we don’t really have an identity of the style of play, and that falls on the manager! 

Let’s see where we are at the end of October, before we start to turn!

Not sure it does. He’s not been given the tools yet so it’s hard to show an identity/style of play when you haven’t got the players you want yet. I think he’s got a clear idea of how he wants us to play but we can only see small bits of it at the moment because we don’t have enough players 

Can you tell me how he wants to play? From what I have seen, it is to lump it then try and win the 2nd ball?? If that’s the case, then we have been recruiting the wrong players 

That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, and a team playing that way probably wouldn’t have had more of the ball in every game we’ve played so far. Pressing and winning the ball high up is definitely a huge part of it, and players we’ve recruited like Camara and May fit that perfectly. We’ve been the best team in the league so far at winning the ball and creating chances from pressing and winning the ball high up. A striker might have helped us convert more of these chances 

We have seen a lot more longer passes over the top to May, which is another strength of his. When we have Leaburn we might see more direct passes going into him too, which will help free up May as defenders will be attracted to Leaburn’s presence. May has had to lead the line and stay central, but if you look at a lot of his Cheltenham goals he is running the channels, picking the ball up in pockets of space, cutting inside and shooting. A new striker can be that central focal point and allow May to find the spaces either side of him. 

But that’s not the only way we’ve attacked, in fact Holden seems to prefer quite a varied/practical approach rather than sticking with one way of building attacks like a Ben Garner would for example. We’re high in the league numbers for slower build up attacks (would probably be higher if we hadnt lost Fraser) and also longer passes. Holden wants attacking football which we are seeing but it’s difficult when we don’t have the striker we can all see we need. 

Losing Fraser’s ball-playing abilities and Leaburn’s presence up top have definitely not helped and probably made it look more like we are just looking for long balls for May to chase and trying to win the ball high up the pitch, along with trying to isolate CBT into a 1v1 situation. But isn’t that Holden just trying to get the best out of what he has been left with? 

It is interesting to see the voices of the new regime start trying to shift the blame towards Holden when to the rest of us it’s obvious he hasn’t been given the tools yet 

Not totally shifting blame on Holden, but we have still had enough quality on the pitch to have got better results that’s for sure. What’s the saying, bad workman blame the tools.

And no blame from the ownership, Holden is their man. 

I don’t think tactically we have been right last few games, and to many errors! 

For clarity I am not saying for 1 minute get rid of Holden, but can’t put all the blame on recruitment and the ownership, he has to take some responsibility. As we have had enough on the pitch to get results 

He has and we have shown enough. The reason we aren’t on at least 7 points is individual errors. Which I think in this short term, you can’t really put on him. Hector’s mistake in that last game was so poor for someone of his experience.

I think individual errors are a mindset thing though and that is on Holden, especially given that’s something he talks about a lot. The Asiimwe one I can forgive because he must have mentally and physically exhausted by that point but there aren’t really any excuses for the others 

A player mis-controlling the ball CANNOT be blamed on the manager, that's absolutely ridiculous! May as well start blaming the manager for the weather or if the train to the game is delayed ffs