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Is Holden under pressure?
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How many times now have we benefitted from the new manager bounce only for it to turn to shit a few months later?
We can't keep doing it.
We've got to find a manager that can withstand the slump and be brave enough to stick with him through it.3 -
The best/least worst option going forward would be to tighten things up with a defensive 4 2 3 1 but our recruitment (or lack there of) has burnt that bridge entirely. We don't have the defensive full backs, new competent CB's or defesive midfielder's to play alongside Dobson to pull it off. On top of that our marquee signing is a midget who was specifically signed to play in a pair up top. The management and owners should be hanging their heads in shame.1
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Not sure that is correct. Sunderland were never relegated under the Donald and Methvan ownership.SouthallAddick said:It took Methven until the end of October to sack the manager in Sunderland’s relegation season. The only thing the football side of this club is good at is making the same mistakes. So he’ll be gone then, which may be too late.
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We've literally signed the most in-demand free agent DM in League One? (And hardly played him)SantaClaus said:The best/least worst option going forward would be to tighten things up with a defensive 4 2 3 1 but our recruitment (or lack there of) has burnt that bridge entirely. We don't have the defensive full backs, new competent CB's or defesive midfielder's to play alongside Dobson to pull it off. On top of that our marquee signing is a midget who was specifically signed to play in a pair up top. The management and owners should be hanging their heads in shame.5 -
A major concern!!The shape and setup we switch to, in hope of getting back into a game / making something stick, always ends up producing better moments than what we’ve planned and worked on! 🚩2
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For me we’re three players off having a decent-to-good squad:se9addick said:
My perspective is that it’s not a great squad (it’s very unbalanced for a start) but he should be doing better than relegation form with it. Mediocre squad and poorly performing manager is a bad combination, but it’s easier to change the latter part of that combination than the former.CAFCTrev said:Im conflicted. We have some fans saying he has a decent squad and we should have won most of the games so far therefore Holden out, and others are saying the squad is too small and injury ridden for anyone to get a tune out of so we are stuck.
Bowyer managed to get a promotion winning side from a squad that looked like relegation strugglers in August 2018, so it's possible to do better I think. LB had advantages that season that Holden hasn't got (maybe disadvantages too?), so it's not an apples to apples comparison. So yeah..... I don't know what to think.A dominant/commanding, organising centre half.A box to box, inspirational/captain type midfielder.A target man who can hold the ball up.
But we need a backroom team who’d know what to do with them.0 -
Camara looked like a box to box ball carrier type, in the Aribo mould, rather than a sitter to me (in the very brief cameo I saw).0
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I'm talking about Terry Taylor!SantaClaus said:Camara looked like a box to box ball carrier type, in the Aribo mould, rather than a sitter to me (in the very brief cameo I saw).2 -
McGrandles has also performed the role with distinction elsewhere. I'm convinced we're somehow way worse than the sum of our parts, and I don't quite understand it9
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The question for me is are the players we brought in, players that Holden wanted.If yes, then why did he bring in players that don’t fit the system he wants to play?If no, why does he continue to play a system that doesn’t fit the hand he has been dealt?
either way it is his tactics that have been poor this season.Set piece defending should be better no matter who is in the team6 -
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Different role at Sunderland, It’s not in Charlie’s gift to fire Holden, he does not have the authority.SouthallAddick said:It took Methven until the end of October to sack the manager in Sunderland’s relegation season. The only thing the football side of this club is good at is making the same mistakes. So he’ll be gone then, which may be too late.1 -
Playing CBT as a wing back should be a sackable offence and written into any future managers contractsdrawnablank said:A major concern!!The shape and setup we switch to, in hope of getting back into a game / making something stick, always ends up producing better moments than what we’ve planned and worked on! 🚩1 -
We played well in the first 2 games with Terrel Thomas at LCB/LB behind Blackett-Taylor playing as a wing back/winger. Why did we change that for the next 3 games?Isted
Jones Hector Thomas
Dabo Camara Dobson CBT
Chem
Leaburn May
Once we have a striker hopefully Holden goes back to his original plan. The back 3 is still a huge concern but I like the look of this team. Could even see it on Saturday if we get a good striker in this week0 -
As it stands, I'd argue fairly strongly that while recruitment hasn't quite been what it could have been, a combination of us driving players to injury and Holden's poor in-game management and a lack of organisation is what's really fucking us right now. There's a big question mark over the owners, but they're not the ones who are making this bunch of really pretty good (in theory) League One players look like a rabble10
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How would you inow that?DA9 said:
Different role at Sunderland, It’s not in Charlie’s gift to fire Holden, he does not have the authority.SouthallAddick said:It took Methven until the end of October to sack the manager in Sunderland’s relegation season. The only thing the football side of this club is good at is making the same mistakes. So he’ll be gone then, which may be too late.0 -
Methven wasn’t at Sunderland in their relegation season. He and Donald took over after the relegationSouthallAddick said:It took Methven until the end of October to sack the manager in Sunderland’s relegation season. The only thing the football side of this club is good at is making the same mistakes. So he’ll be gone then, which may be too late.2 -
I think it’s time to play our strongest, most experienced side and stick with it for 5 games.
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Dabo(!) Hector Jones Edun
Mcgrandles Dobbo Taylor
Campbell May. CBT0 -
I’m not seeing why Edun wouldn’t be comfortable in a back four? Taylor’s also a DM as others have said. I can see us playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 more often as a back 3 just doesn’t seem to work for the players we have. With 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 May is really the only player not suited to either of those formations.SantaClaus said:The best/least worst option going forward would be to tighten things up with a defensive 4 2 3 1 but our recruitment (or lack there of) has burnt that bridge entirely. We don't have the defensive full backs, new competent CB's or defesive midfielder's to play alongside Dobson to pull it off. On top of that our marquee signing is a midget who was specifically signed to play in a pair up top. The management and owners should be hanging their heads in shame.0 -
He’s a minority investor, and by his own admission is not involved in the day to day running of the club, merely the conduit between the majority investors and the SMT.carly burn said:
How would you inow that?DA9 said:
Different role at Sunderland, It’s not in Charlie’s gift to fire Holden, he does not have the authority.SouthallAddick said:It took Methven until the end of October to sack the manager in Sunderland’s relegation season. The only thing the football side of this club is good at is making the same mistakes. So he’ll be gone then, which may be too late.
No doubt he will have an opinion and a vote if that’s how it will go for DH, but he does not have the authority to remove Holden on his own, ie, he could not roll up at SL Tuesday morning and sack him on a whim himself.1 -
I'm pretty sure Oxford play a 4231 @Showmetheway2gohome?
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This according to sky sportShowmetheway2gohome said:Looked more like 442 most of game yesterday
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Oxford were playing 4231. Brannagan and McGuine were playing as the deeper midfielders. Rodrigues playing as 10. It was never a 4420
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4-4-2 just gets ran all over, think both Ipswich and Plymouth played 4231 last season1
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So the spine of the team then? I’d add a commanding goalkeeper to the list just to be sure.JamesSeed said:
For me we’re three players off having a decent-to-good squad:se9addick said:
My perspective is that it’s not a great squad (it’s very unbalanced for a start) but he should be doing better than relegation form with it. Mediocre squad and poorly performing manager is a bad combination, but it’s easier to change the latter part of that combination than the former.CAFCTrev said:Im conflicted. We have some fans saying he has a decent squad and we should have won most of the games so far therefore Holden out, and others are saying the squad is too small and injury ridden for anyone to get a tune out of so we are stuck.
Bowyer managed to get a promotion winning side from a squad that looked like relegation strugglers in August 2018, so it's possible to do better I think. LB had advantages that season that Holden hasn't got (maybe disadvantages too?), so it's not an apples to apples comparison. So yeah..... I don't know what to think.A dominant/commanding, organising centre half.A box to box, inspirational/captain type midfielder.A target man who can hold the ball up.
But we need a backroom team who’d know what to do with them.0 -
Showmetheway2gohome said:The last successful team we had was bowyers 443 diamond.
Agree. But the diamond is very different to a flat 442.A diamond enables you to have 4 central midfielders packing that middle area. And for it to work you need two strikers mobile enough to pull out wide. Like we had in 18/19 with Lyle and Karlan.A flat 442, would get overrun with CBT and Tyreece on the wings.1 -
The alternative way of playing 442 would be like the Powell side, where you have a winger on one side, and a wide midfielder on the other, who can tuck in to add an extra body in midfield.0
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442 is rare these days (and for a reason). The only team I can think of that have played it consistently with any success is Simeone's Atletico Madrid. And that style of football wouldn't go down well here, neither has it been replicated elsewhere.1
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Yeah true, and even then, they played with 3 central midfielders, and one winger. Often Koke was on the right side, but didn’t play as a winger.Chunes said:442 is rare these days (and for a reason). The only team I can think of that have played it consistently with any success is Simeone's Atletico Madrid. And that style of football wouldn't go down well here, neither has it been replicated elsewhere.0 -
Yeah, I'd be mightily pissed off if we replicated "that style of football" down the Valley! Can't stand a winning style...awful haha!Chunes said:442 is rare these days (and for a reason). The only team I can think of that have played it consistently with any success is Simeone's Atletico Madrid. And that style of football wouldn't go down well here, neither has it been replicated elsewhere.1 -
Or 4-1-2-1-2Showmetheway2gohome said:The last successful team we had was bowyers 442 diamond .0
