Is Holden under pressure?

killerandflash said:

Fleetwood have lost 4 on the spin as well, and had 2 players sent off yesterday. A must win game (cue Stockley scoring a 90th minute winner).

A draw written all over it.

Chunes said:

YTS1978 said:

Chunes said:

442 is rare these days (and for a reason). The only team I can think of that have played it consistently with any success is Simeone's Atletico Madrid. And that style of football wouldn't go down well here, neither has it been replicated elsewhere.

Yeah, I'd be mightily pissed off if we replicated "that style of football" down the Valley! Can't stand a winning style...awful haha!

No style of football is 'winning.' You can play any style and still lose. We're experts in that!

Exactly = maybe our team is not good enough, compounded by a poor coaching set up, overrated manager and injuries?

Pick any formation and we will still struggle with a poor team.

stop_shouting said:

Croydon said:

stop_shouting said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

stop_shouting said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Should Holden depart which I think extremely unlikely then I don’t want either Powell or Bowyer back. We seem to have an obsession with ex players and now seemingly ex managers. Personally I have no clue who we could get anyway. Someone with no connection or knowledge of Charlton or League One this time perhaps. A foreigner with fresh ideas. We’re stale as a club.

“A foreigner with fresh ideas”. What like Luzon, Peeters, freye, some of the others….streuth. 

Stick with Holden. We’re 5 games in ffs. This isn’t football manager. 

Something has to change. Holden has never had any success as a manager before us and I can’t see anything about his tenure that leads me to think he’ll achieve it with us. Certainly let’s stick with it for now but we’re so far off looking like being able to make top six. I’ve never played football manager.

Gotta give him ten games. If we change now then it’s just rinse and repeat. 

You'd keep him in charge if we lose to Fleetwood next week?

Yes as my post would imply. If your scenario is correct and we bin him, do we do the same to the next manager if he wins one and loses five of his first six? At some point we’ve got to stick with a manager and allow him to build his squad and instill his culture. 

But he's built a squad that's crap and a losing culture with it. The football was crap under him last year, so it's not as if we're judging him solely after 6 matches.

If we lose to Fleetwood we'll then likely lose at Wigan and Stevenage as well. Giving him 10 matches in the current form would be self destructive. 

ElfsborgAddick said:

So if we bullet Holden and bring in a new manager, what happens if he has a s*** opening 15 games do you sack him?
Sooner or later a manager has to be backed with recruitment, this is the underlying problem.
I was not keen on his appointment but he showed he has potential in getting us out of a hole last season.  It is as clear as day that he has very little say in recruitment and the blame lies with whoever makes the decisions.
Andy Scott would appear to be a man to point a finger at.

Andy Who? Has anyone seen our heard from him ?

Our club is a joke

The trouble is we don’t know who to point the finger at do we ? Previous signings haven’t lived up to expectations even though we paid good money for them. Was that down to TS, MS ? I seem to remember we had been tracking those since before they arrived so was it Gallen ? Bowyer ? Now is the problem Andy Scott, Holden or someone else ? We are faced with years of shite deals and have high earning players that we literally cannot give away. These players are taking up squad places and nothing can be done about that. We certainly need decent players through the door but I doubt we will get them. We need a striker urgently but we have Chucks roaming around somewhere in the medical room being paid and even when he does surface we all know it will be for 6 brief substitute appearances max before he is laid up again. Kirk looks like a Sunday league player who has been out on the piss Saturday night. These are just 2 examples of previous signings that we are now paying for

AndyG said:

The trouble is we don’t know who to point the finger at do we ? Previous signings haven’t lived up to expectations even though we paid good money for them. Was that down to TS, MS ? I seem to remember we had been tracking those since before they arrived so was it Gallen ? Bowyer ? Now is the problem Andy Scott, Holden or someone else ? We are faced with years of shite deals and have high earning players that we literally cannot give away. These players are taking up squad places and nothing can be done about that. We certainly need decent players through the door but I doubt we will get them. We need a striker urgently but we have Chucks roaming around somewhere in the medical room being paid and even when he does surface we all know it will be for 6 brief substitute appearances max before he is laid up again. Kirk looks like a Sunday league player who has been out on the piss Saturday night. These are just 2 examples of previous signings that we are now paying for

And that is why this lot bought the club - to sort it out.

If they need time, they need to say how long.

At the moment, the fans are not on side and maybe Scott should read his own article.

If we have to wait 2-3 years to clear out the dross, there will be no club left.

I am sick and tired or buillshit excuses from scumbag owners and half wit managers 

AndyG said:

BigDiddy said:

AndyG said:

The trouble is we don’t know who to point the finger at do we ? Previous signings haven’t lived up to expectations even though we paid good money for them. Was that down to TS, MS ? I seem to remember we had been tracking those since before they arrived so was it Gallen ? Bowyer ? Now is the problem Andy Scott, Holden or someone else ? We are faced with years of shite deals and have high earning players that we literally cannot give away. These players are taking up squad places and nothing can be done about that. We certainly need decent players through the door but I doubt we will get them. We need a striker urgently but we have Chucks roaming around somewhere in the medical room being paid and even when he does surface we all know it will be for 6 brief substitute appearances max before he is laid up again. Kirk looks like a Sunday league player who has been out on the piss Saturday night. These are just 2 examples of previous signings that we are now paying for

And that is why this lot bought the club - to sort it out.

If they need time, they need to say how long.

At the moment, the fans are not on side and maybe Scott should read his own article.

If we have to wait 2-3 years to clear out the dross, there will be no club left.

I am sick and tired or buillshit excuses from scumbag owners and half wit managers 

Mate I have no idea why this lot bought the club it is a complete mystery to me ! If as looks likely they spent in excess of £10m to do so and now not back it up by funding proper recruitment the mystery is even deeper. I was just pointing out the shit that we find ourselves in is not totally down to them, TS or anyone else we can actually name. What I do know is that this is where we are at and I’m as pissed off as everyone else but I’m dreading the next chapter as all we are likely to hear now is “How can we get PV back in the room” “let’s get Curbs back” etc etc etc !! None of that is going to happen and if this lot don’t step up I’m seriously concerned we won’t exist as a club in a few years

is there any need to have a pop at people who have brought actual success to our club?

You defended TS when he had nothing to show he had made any improvements to the club, and yet people who have brought success you talk about in negative terms!

Apparently he’s gone 🤷‍♂️

50% true cos it’s too random/ weird where it’s come from 
50% someone making it up 

As per a usual Sunday with the family, had a few convos around the league, players, team selections, signings etc.

drawnablank said:

As per a usual Sunday with the family, had a few convos around the league, players, team selections, signings etc.

All things CAFC eventually came back to, would it actually matter? Would it make a difference? 

There has been a lot of indecision, confusing selections, bad use of substitutions and everything just feels a bit too messy. 

After 11 games, 20 points was a realistic target given we needed a bit more through the door and there are a few fitness & injury issues to overcome.
5 of the opening 11 games have gone and we’re 17 points away from that 20 point target. 

So the next question is, do we think we can stop that indecision and tidy it all up to maximise what we get, from what we have over the next 6 games? 

There is a lot of deliberating about the new SMT, Scott, the owners group about what they have given Deano so far, why and what that could mean. All valid points, suggestions and opinions until it is proven beyond doubt.
What is clear, is we haven’t got anywhere near what we should have already and it doesn’t look like there is a concise plan to change it. Rather a lot of chopping and changing in hope something sticks. 

The next 5 games come at the end of 5 full weeks (depending how the pizza cup games are used), that is almost as long as a pre-season. 

That is long enough to implement something definite, gain a clear and concise understanding around the basics of it and be able to implement it on the pitch! 

I’m not usually one to call for change early but I don’t see enough from DH to make me think he’ll change the direction. I think his race is run and if we persevere with this direction, in what is quite clearly a weaker league this year…so will ours 

Braziliance said:

If he isn't under pressure now, then we aren't a serious club I'm afraid.

That first half display was one of the most inept performances I can remember. 

Darren Moore & Chris Wilder both available. I feel harsh but I think discussions need to be had, I don't think he can turn this around. I'm quite shell shocked at how bad the results have been tbh

DA9 said:

I think Holdens biggest fear would be from detached, trigger happy major investors who I assume know very little about football, and only see results, not growth or building blocks.

I’ll take my promote now please