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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)
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I assume one of the Americans had heard of his dadChris_from_Sidcup said:
Sums us up then if the SMT just assumed Ferguson would want to join us without actually asking him.AFKABartram said:
Someone (who isn’t a gossiper and I have no reason to doubt) tweeted they were told 3 weeks ago Ferguson would be our next manager.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Of those options i'd be inclined to go with the latter. Especially if we made an approach for Ferguson AFTER sacking Holden.Dippenhall said:Can’t believe Dean would have been sacked if any signings were still up in the air. Either there are none or they are already done deals or it’s a complete f##k up.
Surely you'd sound out managers before doing it, so you'd have a seamless transition into the new manager, especially with only 4 days of the window left.16 -
Time for the great man to come home and add the next chapter to this site:
https://www.chrispowellfootball.com/
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The idea that Darren Ferguson would uproot from the North to go to London is laughable - given the restrictions, lack of apparent budget support in the transfer window, 4 months of not being able to bring in any players in the deluded plan (£1 to £2m losses) that Methven put together. It just shows how clueless, out of touch with reality and up themselves the current SMT are.
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So I have been away all weekend. I saw this thread but didn't know how or whether to respond.
The football has at times been fluid and dynamic, but more often hoof ball with no target.
Do I think Holden was the right man to get us promoted? Not sure. Do I think he deserved sacking given the tools he had available? Nope. This isn't a case of a bad workman blaming his tools. He didn't have a full set of tools to blame.
I think this was an unfair sacking and I don't believe we'll get anyone better and it fucks the last few days of the transfer window.
I am not impressed.23 -
Been away you say Daz, so that’s why I didn’t get a lol against my players marks on Saturday. Take it to the post match thread in future and we can have a debate 😉.Dazzler21 said:So I have been away all weekend. I saw this thread but didn't know how or whether to respond.
The football has at times been fluid and dynamic, but more often hoof ball with no target.
Do I think Holden was the right man to get us promoted? Not sure. Do I think he deserved sacking given the tools he had available? Nope. This isn't a case of a bad workman blaming his tools. He didn't have a full set of tools to blame.
I think this was an unfair sacking and I don't believe we'll get anyone better and it fucks the last few days of the transfer window.
I am not impressed.2 -
What evidence is there that we have any kind of plan? Especially in the context of a refusal from another manager in work at another club.
It looks to me that Holden’s sacking was reactive and that’s that, hoping something will turn up, or given Methven’s degree maybe he believes God will provide.
No we are like a bloke stridently walking away from his home and marriage destined for an eternity of bedsits and pot noodles.2 -
I totally agree with you dazzler21,a very harsh sacking. If he had a fully fit squad to choose from and we were still in the same position,then I could begin to believe why he was sacked.But to out the fella with that depleted squad and the season just 3 weeks old is very harsh to say the least.3
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The thread name is giving me real Lionel Hutz vibes.
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If he was given £500k to depart, good luck to him0
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I don't know what was going through Dean's head with Saturday's team selection, but he should have been given more time - at least a chance to see what he could do with whatever arrives before the end of the transfer window. He has been massively hampered by injuries to Leaburn and Fraser - both key players that any team would miss. A few days before the transfer window closes seems a very strange time to change the manager, for all sorts of reasons. Personally, I liked Dean and I am very sad to see him go. If he really was sacked by text, it is a cowardly disgrace.8
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I thought Holden was a pretty mediocre manager and I'm not sure the replacement will be much better - I assume they'll make it to the end of the season.
The club is a shambles at present and unless we get lucky with the next appt nothing will change.
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Who's a good fit for the job according to the Dysfunctional Charlton fan/critic base 🤔
Nathan Jones: Too Small
Lee Johnson: Too Small
Steve Evans: Too chubby
Bob Peeters: Too Tall
Alan Curbishley: Too retired
Andy Woodman: Too Chubby
Michael Appleton: Too Starey
Daren Ferguson: Too Posh
Johnnie Jackson: Too Handsome
Karl Robinson: Too Gobby
Joey Barton: Too crazy
Darren Moore: Too expensive
Ryan Mason: Too Young
Chris Powell: Too happy
Last and certainly not least?
The tea lady Doris who may be Too average in the league but we would certainly improve in the CUPS 🤦🏻♂️
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The idea of Darren Moore joining us is completely unrealistic. Apart from the state of the club and the concerns over the new regime, a manager who couldn’t agree new terms with Wednesday is hardly like to come to Charlton for a less attractive package.
The fact that the abortive Ferguson approach has been made public is unfortunate but I’d expect nothing else from the publicity-seeking MacAnthony. Bigging himself and ‘the project’ up is also a useful distraction from the financial issues surrounding Peterborough.Methven et al have managed to alienate the supporter base almost as quickly as Duchatelet, who sold Kermogant and Stephens a month into his tenure after a miserable 3-0 defeat at Doncaster. That is some achievement. Methven’s interview with the Telegraph, with references to £1-2 million operating losses and profits from the sale of Academy products, have effectively cooked his goose.25 -
Something definitely unclicked of late. The buzz of preseason in Malaga never really transferred to the actual season.
Senda and the goalie coach not being upto standard I can understand. Dean, a great talker and man manager but started to make some amateur like decisions in team selection, pressure on youth, formations.
Shame, as he was the one who glued the fans and club together last season with his straight and spirited talking.12 -
That's what the bookmark logo on the right is for.JamesSeed said:
Some people ‘like’ posts as a way of bookmarking them. They’ll end up on their ‘like’ list.Clem_Snide said:
No idea if this has already been posted, but you have got to wonder what the fuck is going on when Asimewe is liking the post announcing the manager and back room staff have been sacked.2 -
How about we really try to rebuild this club by having Ryan Mason as Manager and Chris Powell as his shoulder to lean on.
Also beg Curbs to work Part time in an ambassador role to give this comedy football club back some pride and stop this implosion.0 -
Perhaps it was three weeks ago that DF was approached and declined but out of respect to Holden the revelation wasn’t released until Holden was gone. That’s my guess.AFKABartram said:
Someone (who isn’t a gossiper and I have no reason to doubt) tweeted they were told 3 weeks ago Ferguson would be our next manager.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Of those options i'd be inclined to go with the latter. Especially if we made an approach for Ferguson AFTER sacking Holden.Dippenhall said:Can’t believe Dean would have been sacked if any signings were still up in the air. Either there are none or they are already done deals or it’s a complete f##k up.
Surely you'd sound out managers before doing it, so you'd have a seamless transition into the new manager, especially with only 4 days of the window left.0 -
Good call! We need to preserve that statement.The Red Robin said:
Methven was boasting in his BBC London Sport interview about how it was him that advised Sandgaard to hire Holden. Holden was the appointment of the current regime.PragueAddick said:
With great respect, Mr Peanuts, your first para. reads as if Methven and co. appointed him only in the close season and had no idea how -apparently - "tactically naive" he is. But that's not the case. Methven was in and around the club from December- when Holden and the others came in- through to February, and had a half-season to monitor results and take soundings. If he's really as bad as you paint him, you'd think Charlie- "I know football" - Methven would have spotted it, and have had a replacement lined up to take over as soon as the deal was done; so that at least said replacement could get some of his own choices in, and certainly influence the pre-season.PeanutsMolloy said:
I don't dispute he improved our performances after Garner-ball (it was a relatively obvious idea to "get the ball forward quicker", as DH described it) but, as I've said earlier, tactical naivety alone in the last 3 games (including first-rate impression of a stuffed dummy on the touchline at crucial moments and leaving clearly-knackered youngsters on for too long) and shockingly poor set-piece coaching in both boxes, is enough for me to be in no doubt it's right to replace DH now.PragueAddick said:
- Dean Holden was apparently recommended to TS by the current SMT. Effectively their choice, 8 months ago.
- He inherited a crap squad that was in chaos. Remember the Stockport cup humiliation?
- Admittedly the delay to the takeover completion didn't help to make a smooth well-planned pre-season.
- He has ONE fit senior striker. ONE!
- As of a week ago he had 10 -TEN - injured players.
- He has had to play two debutant 18 year olds in every game, for the simple reason that there were no better choices.
- He was told that he cannot bring more players in if he keeps picking the trash (Kirk, DJ , McG). Yes, I have a source for that. None of the trash was on the bench on Saturday.
So yeah, the "solution" to a poor start is to sack a manager you gave a three year contract to in March with a week to go of the window and irons supposedly in the fire, especially a striker.
As I've been saying for nigh on 30 years since I got involved in management recruitment: any idiot can sack someone. The difficult bit is getting in someone "better", especially if you keep being the same idiot each year or less.
"Someone challenge me on that?" © Charles Harry Finlayson Methven
He could have a fully-fit £30m squad and still potentially (probably IMO) not have the ability as a manager to get us promotion.
You're right he was SMT's choice but it's not unreasonable to assume they had to work within TS's budget and have his sign off. TS would have had to (and for a while did) live with the choice if the deal fell through.
So we shouldn't assume DH was ever their #1 choice or defines their budget for a new appointment.
We'll find out soon.
Given that, you haven't persuaded me at all that the timing of this isn't symptomatic of panic and breathtaking incompetence. Or possibly, as @sm above says, symptomatic of hedge-fund management mentality.
It was the more recent post-takeover interview with his mate Aaron, right? Not the one back in Feb when it had all just unravelled?1 -
This 1,000,000 times over.Bedsaddick said:
Covid was not the reason Taylor refused to play. Greed wasBelv said:
But we’re talking about getting out of League One.JamesSeed said:
Was talking about in the Championship. Gallagher wasn't with us in L1.Belv said:
He should have done better than finishing 3rd behind a very good Luton and Barnsley side and winning promotion?JamesSeed said:
Should have done better with those players (and Taylor) at the heart of the team. We have no-one at that level now, with the possible exception of Dobbo.wmcf123 said:
He did alright with Phillips, Dijksteel, Aribo, Konsa, Bielik, Cullen, Gallagher . The robust ones that were goodSmithy said:I cannot even imagine the damage that Bowyer would do to this group of young players. Their confidence must be fragile now as it is.We started fine in the Championship, and were only relegated after the last kick of the season. If it hadn’t been for covid, we would have stayed up as our main striker wouldn’t have refused to play, there was a few of those players he didn’t have in the Championship anyway.6 - Sponsored links:
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Peterborough is in the north?!vff said:The idea that Darren Ferguson would uproot from the North to go to London is laughable - given the restrictions, lack of apparent budget support in the transfer window, 4 months of not being able to bring in any players in the deluded plan (£1 to £2m losses) that Methven put together. It just shows how clueless, out of touch with reality and up themselves the current SMT are.7 -
It’s in East AngliaThe Red Robin said:
Peterborough is in the north?!vff said:The idea that Darren Ferguson would uproot from the North to go to London is laughable - given the restrictions, lack of apparent budget support in the transfer window, 4 months of not being able to bring in any players in the deluded plan (£1 to £2m losses) that Methven put together. It just shows how clueless, out of touch with reality and up themselves the current SMT are.0 -
Yes, the more recent one (23rd July) Link here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fxpnnv?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobilePragueAddick said:
Good call! We need to preserve that statement.The Red Robin said:
Methven was boasting in his BBC London Sport interview about how it was him that advised Sandgaard to hire Holden. Holden was the appointment of the current regime.PragueAddick said:
With great respect, Mr Peanuts, your first para. reads as if Methven and co. appointed him only in the close season and had no idea how -apparently - "tactically naive" he is. But that's not the case. Methven was in and around the club from December- when Holden and the others came in- through to February, and had a half-season to monitor results and take soundings. If he's really as bad as you paint him, you'd think Charlie- "I know football" - Methven would have spotted it, and have had a replacement lined up to take over as soon as the deal was done; so that at least said replacement could get some of his own choices in, and certainly influence the pre-season.PeanutsMolloy said:
I don't dispute he improved our performances after Garner-ball (it was a relatively obvious idea to "get the ball forward quicker", as DH described it) but, as I've said earlier, tactical naivety alone in the last 3 games (including first-rate impression of a stuffed dummy on the touchline at crucial moments and leaving clearly-knackered youngsters on for too long) and shockingly poor set-piece coaching in both boxes, is enough for me to be in no doubt it's right to replace DH now.PragueAddick said:
- Dean Holden was apparently recommended to TS by the current SMT. Effectively their choice, 8 months ago.
- He inherited a crap squad that was in chaos. Remember the Stockport cup humiliation?
- Admittedly the delay to the takeover completion didn't help to make a smooth well-planned pre-season.
- He has ONE fit senior striker. ONE!
- As of a week ago he had 10 -TEN - injured players.
- He has had to play two debutant 18 year olds in every game, for the simple reason that there were no better choices.
- He was told that he cannot bring more players in if he keeps picking the trash (Kirk, DJ , McG). Yes, I have a source for that. None of the trash was on the bench on Saturday.
So yeah, the "solution" to a poor start is to sack a manager you gave a three year contract to in March with a week to go of the window and irons supposedly in the fire, especially a striker.
As I've been saying for nigh on 30 years since I got involved in management recruitment: any idiot can sack someone. The difficult bit is getting in someone "better", especially if you keep being the same idiot each year or less.
"Someone challenge me on that?" © Charles Harry Finlayson Methven
He could have a fully-fit £30m squad and still potentially (probably IMO) not have the ability as a manager to get us promotion.
You're right he was SMT's choice but it's not unreasonable to assume they had to work within TS's budget and have his sign off. TS would have had to (and for a while did) live with the choice if the deal fell through.
So we shouldn't assume DH was ever their #1 choice or defines their budget for a new appointment.
We'll find out soon.
Given that, you haven't persuaded me at all that the timing of this isn't symptomatic of panic and breathtaking incompetence. Or possibly, as @sm above says, symptomatic of hedge-fund management mentality.
It was the more recent post-takeover interview with his mate Aaron, right? Not the one back in Feb when it had all just unravelled?1 -
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To be fair I used to think anywhere over the other side of the river Thames was up North 😉.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s in East AngliaThe Red Robin said:
Peterborough is in the north?!vff said:The idea that Darren Ferguson would uproot from the North to go to London is laughable - given the restrictions, lack of apparent budget support in the transfer window, 4 months of not being able to bring in any players in the deluded plan (£1 to £2m losses) that Methven put together. It just shows how clueless, out of touch with reality and up themselves the current SMT are.1 -
...This thread..,..We have the New Manager thread to concentrate on now..just saying..🤷♂️0 -
Blucher said:The idea of Darren Moore joining us is completely unrealistic. Apart from the state of the club and the concerns over the new regime, a manager who couldn’t agree new terms with Wednesday is hardly like to come to Charlton for a less attractive package.
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This was referencing Twitter. 👍Dazzler21 said:
That's what the bookmark logo on the right is for.JamesSeed said:
Some people ‘like’ posts as a way of bookmarking them. They’ll end up on their ‘like’ list.Clem_Snide said:No idea if this has already been posted, but you have got to wonder what the fuck is going on when Asimewe is liking the post announcing the manager and back room staff have been sacked.1 -
You would assume the new manager would make it to the end of the season. Not with the management we have working for the owners.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I thought Holden was a pretty mediocre manager and I'm not sure the replacement will be much better - I assume they'll make it to the end of the season.
The club is a shambles at present and unless we get lucky with the next appt nothing will change.
I would prefer that all the SMT were sacked and left the running of the club to the owners.
At least that way we might understand what the owners were about.
We would be no worse off surely?0
