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  • DubaiCAFC said:
    You have to enquiry to be able to put a deal together! Never said May is a problem, point is Holden got who he wanted!

    To be honest, we knew right from the start, they wasn't going to be spending millions and Holden wanted a small squad with academy players coming through! 

    As I mentioned, lets see what the appointment is, and who the two loan players are.
    No worries guys, we just need to see who the new youngsters are before we start complaining about how many youngsters we're forced to play with. 
  • Isn’t that modern football though. Every club has a technical/sporting director of some type. 

    Last year, we were rightfully complaining that Martin Sandgaard, a man with no football experience was making key decisions. Now we have a football man in charge of those decisions, a man who has been a player, manager, scout and director of football elsewhere, and we’re complaining he’s got too much power. Andy Scott is already getting the Ged Roddy treatment. 
    If it is true that Scott sacked Holden by text, or got somebody else to do it it says to me that he is a deeply unpleasant person.
    Maybe the accusation isn’t true, I have no evidence only what @ChicagoAddick has reported. If Scott or whoever travelled to Holden’s gaff and spoke to him face to face then he and the regime goes up in my estimation.
    I know one thing, I will never be allowed in any circumstances to ask Methven or Scott (or Rodwell) any questions uncensored or controlled face to face in front of witnesses and an electronic recording.
  • WSA said:
    need to know who the blond is  :smile:
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  • I'd like to see a full external team. Promoting from within to key coaching positions hasn't worked that well for us lately.
  • TeeC said:
    Yes the text thing needs to be ignored I think, 1) because context matters and we don’t have any, and 2) it may not be true anyway
    Could have had a discussion first that a meeting was to be had to decide and followed up with a text to confirm the outcome. 
  • How do we know he got sacked by text? What is your source? Unless Crawley can confirm that or the Club then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
    Absolutely right. We don’t know for certain, the source is a comment made immediately after news of the sacking emerged. The person most likely to know the truth is Dean Holden.
    However now the accusation is out there it might be good form for Scott, or Rodwell, or Methven to be asked directly and hear them deny it.
    If Holden was indeed sacked by text would that influence your opinion about the regime?
  • Since January we've sold/released 14 first-team players.

    This summer we've signed 7 players. 

    No surprise the 'leaks' start coming when they've got to spin a narrative to excuse away why our squad has decreased by 7 first-team players. 
    OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?

    IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings. 

    So it's 12 out and 9 in. 

    There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers. 
  • The squad is not weaker then last season but it is only slightly stronger which is not going to get us any serious chance of promotion.
  • LargeAddick said: oh
    How do we know he got sacked by text? What is your source? Unless Crawley can confirm that or the Club then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
    https://x.com/alex_crook/status/1695906423937347727?s=46&t=86XRpoKnrkKw_InpJkb-Yg

    The sacking via text source came from Alex Crook (Chief Football Correspondent at TalksSport)
  • se9addick said:

    - It’s been years since Powell actually managed a team. He’s had a pretty successful spell as a coach in that time, so it’s not like he’s been out of the game, but he hasn’t managed.
    - other than that one, amazing, season which is now a decade ago, he hasn’t really set the world on fire as a manager.
    - I worry that failure, which is far more likely than not given the state the clubs in, would tarnish the esteem he’s held in. We need some hero’s, let’s not create an opportunity for them to fall from their pedestal.  

    I don’t believe  phrases like “he gets us” and “he has unfinished business” really make for a compelling argument. 
    The argument for me is that he has been working in elite environments with some of the best coaches and players. That surely will have improved him as a manager and he’d probably be completely different to how he was 10 years ago. He’s had lots of experience working with young players too which I think could be very helpful looking at the make-up of our squad 
  • https://x.com/alex_crook/status/1695906423937347727?s=46&t=86XRpoKnrkKw_InpJkb-Yg

    The sacking via text source came from Alex Crook (Chief Football Correspondent at TalksSport)
    I think Alex Crook's contact is Holden's agent as he was the one who kept tweeting that Holden was linked to jobs he obviously wasn't getting so I'm taking the text thing with a pinch of salt. That said, football is brutal so I wouldn't be surprised
  • edited August 2023
    OUT: Macgillivray, Stockley, JFC, O'connell, Clayden, Clare, Gilbey, Inniss, Morgan, Wollacott, Lavelle, Egbo. That's 12, who are the other 2?

    IN: Hector, Isted, May, Camara, Edun, Jones, Taylor. And if Clayden is counted as a departure then we can surely count Anderson and Asiimwe to incomings. 

    So it's 12 out and 9 in. 

    There's not really a single player in the ones gone that anyone was that sorry to lose or hadn't been slated as being total shit by half of this forum. But overall i wouldn't say the squad is considerably weaker despite the deficit in player numbers. 
    Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings. 

    And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings. 

    The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now. 

    More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places. 
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  • https://x.com/alex_crook/status/1695906423937347727?s=46&t=86XRpoKnrkKw_InpJkb-Yg

    The sacking via text source came from Alex Crook (Chief Football Correspondent at TalksSport)
    I know where it came from, does it make it true though?
  • seth plum said:
    Absolutely right. We don’t know for certain, the source is a comment made immediately after news of the sacking emerged. The person most likely to know the truth is Dean Holden.
    However now the accusation is out there it might be good form for Scott, or Rodwell, or Methven to be asked directly and hear them deny it.
    If Holden was indeed sacked by text would that influence your opinion about the regime?
    not neccessarily, it doesn't look good and it isn't right either but you'd need to know the context. 
  • edited August 2023
    I know where it came from, does it make it true though?
    Just passing on where the source came from. I’m not saying if it is true or not. Calm down 
  • Why would you count since January?

    It's since the takeover completed that counts. I don't care about January as Sandgaard was still limiting purchases/sales.

    There's certainly too many promoted from within, but that's not our problem. The problem is the lack of improvement across the permies, where Bonne is the only one replaced with better. 
  • Why are you counting Anderson and Asiimwe? They were already at the club. They aren't signings. 

    And the outs include Bonne and Harness. You could also count Henry going out on loan if you count loans as signings. 

    The pool of players we can choose from has dropped by 7. Half haven't been replaced so even if they were no good, we've got nothing instead now. 

    More notably, more experienced players have been let go and inexperienced youngsters have been told to fill their places. 
    Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.

    It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
  • edited August 2023
    Dazzler21 said:
    Why would you count since January?

    It's since the takeover completed that counts. I don't care about January as Sandgaard was still limiting purchases/sales.

    There's certainly too many promoted from within, but that's not our problem. The problem is the lack of improvement across the permies, where Bonne is the only one replaced with better. 
    Budget getting smaller with the amount of experienced players sold/released is my point. 
  • ValleyBen said:
    The squad is not weaker then last season but it is only slightly stronger which is not going to get us any serious chance of promotion.
    I'm not sure I totally agree with that Ben, Saki is a big loss and last year we never had a left back, this year we haven't got a right back. The kids are great but they should be coming from the bench not starting, there is still a bit to do before I think we can say its an improvement. 
  • Academy players joining the first team squad are new players for the 1st team though.

    It can certainly be argued that we have too many of them in our team at the moment, but in all seasons you'd expect one or two youngsters to break through and take the place of older players.
    So let's say Anderson comes in for Gilbey. Asiimwe comes in for Clare. Do you think they cost the same amounts or is there a huge saving made that currently isn't being used? 
  • I'd say we're about on par with last seasons squad. We have more quality in some areas and the potential of quality in others. 

    I don't think we're improved yet, but I also think once a player is 20+ years old they should start to be playing a lot more at the level you want them to reach. The Kanu is a great advert that it can be done earlier if the integration is right and Leaburn is a lucky flip of the coin. 

    Anderson and Asiimwe currently look no worse than some of the 25+ year old pros they have replaced, so will be fine to continue so long as they're managed in terms of how long and how many games they get. I would suggest 30 games averaging 60 -70 minutes would be a fair amount for them and better if they're good enough that they do it for us, than in the leagues below. 
  • NabySarr said:
    Trying to spin us not signing JCH because Holden didn’t want him is laughable. I’m sure the spin doctors will be working to shift the blame to Sandgaard and Holden for us having a disastrous start but I think it’s clear to nearly all fans who’s the most at fault 
    But hush. They are only passing on what they are told in good faith. It could be right.....it could be wrong. You'll just have to trust the process.
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