Next Manager Search - August 2023

Airman Brown said:

I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 

I’m very rarely ‘ITK’ but a friend of a friend works at the club and it very much sounds like no one wants to touch this job. Can you blame them?

Sounds like a lot of potential candidates are put off by how player recruitment is run as well as how many managers we cycle through. Even the current owners have sacked their own man less than a month in. 

golfaddick said:

Shit fuck bollox.

Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.

But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.

Juvenile. 

Just to cheer you up Golfie, remember that time you got stuck in the car park after a home game 

Airman Brown said:

I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants. 

Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managers 

AFKABartram said:

golfaddick said:

Shit fuck bollox.

Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.

But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.

Juvenile. 

I don’t get this one. Can you get a Chicken Juvenile??

I think it’s Chinese. Foo Yung

Cafc43v3r said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.

If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.

That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.

And that is different at other Clubs ?
Since Bosman the power is with players but I don't believe its worse at cafc than other clubs but when on a losing run all the boils burst and it's not a pretty site. The pus hits the fans.

Perhaps we need to analyse how Luton, Coventry and Bournemouth managed to come back from  the National League in Luton's case and League 2 in Coventry and Bournemouth's case.

The manager had/has no power at the club due the ownership/SMT.  If the players go crying to Thomas/Martin/Andy/Charlie it is the manager that gets the chop.  

And you think managers have Carte Blanche at other clubs !

The majority of managers are really head coaches and the truth is most managers are Interim managers until the sack comes.

We are in a mess on and off the field and that's why I'm interested in how the likes of Coventry, Luton and Bournemouth came back from a worse position than Cafc are in now.

Any common denominator with those 3 clubs other than Bournemouth had a superb young Coach in Eddie Howe who took them from League 2 to the Premier playing easy on the eye football. Howe had an 18 month break at Burnley with mid table finishes during this period before the prodigal son returned home.

I don't believe any of the 3 clubs I mentioned had big budgets to start their journey back and  questionable, if they were stable off the pitch ?

What is the remit for Andy Scott and the new head coach incumbent ?  To advance to the Championship while selling a couple of the better youngsters ? 
Not really that different since the 1960's onwards when staying in the championship and selling players appeared to be the aim.

MarcusH26 said:

I think Appleton had Morgan Rodgers and Brennan Johnson when he was at Lincoln but those are the only two I can think of immediately 

McGrandles and Edun were part of the starting line up when Lincoln lost in the League One Play off Final to Blackpool 2 years ago under Appleton. 

golfaddick said:

soapboxsam said:

Cafc43v3r said:

The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.

If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.

That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.

And that is different at other Clubs ?
Since Bosman the power is with players but I don't believe its worse at cafc than other clubs but when on a losing run all the boils burst and it's not a pretty site. The pus hits the fans.

Perhaps we need to analyse how Luton, Coventry and Bournemouth managed to come back from  the National League in Luton's case and League 2 in Coventry and Bournemouth's case.

I expect they kept their manager & a nucleus of players as they went through the leagues. Isn't there a Luton player who has played in every division for them ?

Compare that to us who have had 4 managers in 3 years and have got rid of nearly all of the players we signed last summer !! 

Howe, Robins and Nathan Jones 👏

Appleton? Sounds like a rum deal for us fans!

i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?

On the plus side though, would he be the first ever Denzil Haroun reserve POTY we've had?

As much as I didn't think that Holden could turn this rabble into title contenders, I doubt that whoever comes in will achieve any better success. I will be very surprised if we finish higher than last season, especially with the catch up required. We already need a 6-7th place run of form through the season to achieve 8-10th spot.

Despite all of this gnashing of teeth about this manager or that, I don't have much faith in the squad, so the manager coming in would probably feel the same, apart from getting paid £100k+ to explore yet more of the permitations of an awful defence.

Slight side note, I worked in a basket case local authority and a new manager came in as head of service, with much said prior about their experience and precious CV in jobs at a higher level. After 1 week, they announced that they could not remain in post as the department was in such disarray that they refused to have their reputation sullied.

I fear that Charlton are at that level, where the only candidates are those with nothing to lose (on their way up) or unemployed (on their way down) and nobody wanted them as they would already be back in employment such is the football manager merry-go-round.

When is it our turn, to get owners that buy players and managers from a successful team above our own level, therfore showing intent with their wallets? 

Sadly we're currently in a position where

The squad isn't good enough
The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season
We have some promising youngsters
Defensively we are terrible
We are out of two cup competitions
Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign
We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad 

That's not attractive on paper 

Andy Scott said he gave up football management because he didn’t want to become a journeyman manager that just jumped from club to club.

If he hires Appleton then he’s hiring exactly that.