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Next Manager Search - August 2023
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I don’t get this one. Can you get a Chicken Juvenile??golfaddick said:Shit fuck bollox.
Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.
But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.
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What do fans of his past clubs think of him, both good and bad? I don't think he's poorly regarded amongst his peers, but he's used to experiencing negativity from fans of clubs that appoint him at first. He can only change that by delivering results, but asking him to win the next eight or nine games to win you over is a high bar Seth 😉
I think I'd take us not losing the next as a positive sign of things to come as things stand. The Club certainly needs to get lucky and turn a different corner with whoever takes the job for so many reasons.
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I’m very rarely ‘ITK’ but a friend of a friend works at the club and it very much sounds like no one wants to touch this job. Can you blame them?Airman Brown said:I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.
Sounds like a lot of potential candidates are put off by how player recruitment is run as well as how many managers we cycle through. Even the current owners have sacked their own man less than a month in.
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The same as when Lenny and curbs and Gritt got the job then.Airman Brown said:I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.0 -
Just to cheer you up Golfie, remember that time you got stuck in the car park after a home gamegolfaddick said:Shit fuck bollox.
Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.
But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.
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It’s a shame Deji Elewere wasn’t around thencabbles said:
Just to cheer you up Golfie, remember that time you got stuck in the car park after a home gamegolfaddick said:Shit fuck bollox.
Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.
But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.
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Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managersAirman Brown said:I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.2 -
Can't wait until Martin Vilas has a rant about all these terrible puns2
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I think it’s Chinese. Foo YungAFKABartram said:
I don’t get this one. Can you get a Chicken Juvenile??golfaddick said:Shit fuck bollox.
Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.
But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.
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PWADDICK said:
Regardless of the shenanigans that have gone on recently, we will still be an attractive proposition to many managersAirman Brown said:I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.
Many out of work managers who can't get a job
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Cafc43v3r said:
The manager had/has no power at the club due the ownership/SMT. If the players go crying to Thomas/Martin/Andy/Charlie it is the manager that gets the chop.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.
If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.
That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.
And that is different at other Clubs ?
Since Bosman the power is with players but I don't believe its worse at cafc than other clubs but when on a losing run all the boils burst and it's not a pretty site. The pus hits the fans.
Perhaps we need to analyse how Luton, Coventry and Bournemouth managed to come back from the National League in Luton's case and League 2 in Coventry and Bournemouth's case.
And you think managers have Carte Blanche at other clubs !
The majority of managers are really head coaches and the truth is most managers are Interim managers until the sack comes.
We are in a mess on and off the field and that's why I'm interested in how the likes of Coventry, Luton and Bournemouth came back from a worse position than Cafc are in now.
Any common denominator with those 3 clubs other than Bournemouth had a superb young Coach in Eddie Howe who took them from League 2 to the Premier playing easy on the eye football. Howe had an 18 month break at Burnley with mid table finishes during this period before the prodigal son returned home.
I don't believe any of the 3 clubs I mentioned had big budgets to start their journey back and questionable, if they were stable off the pitch ?
What is the remit for Andy Scott and the new head coach incumbent ? To advance to the Championship while selling a couple of the better youngsters ?
Not really that different since the 1960's onwards when staying in the championship and selling players appeared to be the aim.
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Oxford fans rate him after he got them promoted from league two.swordfish said:What do fans of his past clubs think of him, both good and bad? I don't think he's poorly regarded amongst his peers, but he's used to experiencing negativity from fans of clubs that appoint him at first. He can only change that by delivering results, but asking him to win the next eight or nine games to win you over is a high bar Seth 😉
I think I'd take us not losing the next as a positive sign of things to come as things stand. The Club certainly needs to get lucky and turn a different corner with whoever takes the job for so many reasons.
Apparently he is good at working with young players and prem clubs trust him to develop youngsters they loan out……but I can’t think of any good examples that he coached at Oxford!0 -
How many have actually turned it down then, apart from Powell who was only offered an interim position ?Airman Brown said:I think this appointment is much more about who is willing to do it than who the club wants.0 -
I think Appleton had Morgan Rodgers and Brennan Johnson when he was at Lincoln but those are the only two I can think of immediately
Had Charlie Patino from Arsenal and Ian Poveda from Leeds last season at Blackpool too so he's clearly well thought of by the big prem clubs2 -
McGrandles and Edun were part of the starting line up when Lincoln lost in the League One Play off Final to Blackpool 2 years ago under Appleton.MarcusH26 said:I think Appleton had Morgan Rodgers and Brennan Johnson when he was at Lincoln but those are the only two I can think of immediately4 -
My takeaway from this post is that you're naan too pleased?golfaddick said:Shit fuck bollox.
Thought something might be brewing seeing as there were 65 new posts.
But no. More fucking stupid puns. Not fish this time but something to do with curry.
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golfaddick said:
I expect they kept their manager & a nucleus of players as they went through the leagues. Isn't there a Luton player who has played in every division for them ?soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.
If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.
That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.
And that is different at other Clubs ?
Since Bosman the power is with players but I don't believe its worse at cafc than other clubs but when on a losing run all the boils burst and it's not a pretty site. The pus hits the fans.
Perhaps we need to analyse how Luton, Coventry and Bournemouth managed to come back from the National League in Luton's case and League 2 in Coventry and Bournemouth's case.
Compare that to us who have had 4 managers in 3 years and have got rid of nearly all of the players we signed last summer !!
Howe, Robins and Nathan Jones 👏0 -
Appleton wouldn't have been my choice and can't see it ending well.4
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Appleton? Sounds like a rum deal for us fans!1
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Underwhelmed as per our last few appointments, will support the team no matter what. We can’t forget we’re no better than a mid table league one team (at a push) so we’ve hardly got lines of top tier managers wanting the job. We’ve had more public rejections than those who are keen for the role. I hope I’m proved wrong, but yet to be as history repeats itself.0
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i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?
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Done well at LeicesterProperCharlton said:i haven't checked if these stats are legit but not great are they?13 -
On the plus side though, would he be the first ever Denzil Haroun reserve POTY we've had?7
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I don’t really know much about Appleton other than THAT photo, but it’s funny record he has. Fair play to him, he’s very good at picking up work so he must be approachable and have a pretty good name in the game that others want to work with.
For someone who is surprisingly still only 47 he’s packed a lot in. Ex pro retired early through injury, done youth team coaching, reserves, assistant manager and a fair bit of experience as manager between L2 and Champ. As always it seems now, there’s an Oxford link, where he had his most successful couple of seasons.So many of his appointments though just don’t last longer than 6 months max (couple of them just 2 months), that’s a worry for a club like us that really needs stability. It’s only Lincoln (3yrs), Oxford (3yrs) and Portsmouth (just under 12 months) that have any real experience of him imposing his style and mark on a team.Overcome testicular cancer two years ago.
Don’t know what to make of him tbh. I don’t think he’d be a disaster appointment but I’m equally not seeing anything that will galvanise supporters or feel ‘we’ve done well getting him’.23 -
As much as I didn't think that Holden could turn this rabble into title contenders, I doubt that whoever comes in will achieve any better success. I will be very surprised if we finish higher than last season, especially with the catch up required. We already need a 6-7th place run of form through the season to achieve 8-10th spot.
Despite all of this gnashing of teeth about this manager or that, I don't have much faith in the squad, so the manager coming in would probably feel the same, apart from getting paid £100k+ to explore yet more of the permitations of an awful defence.
Slight side note, I worked in a basket case local authority and a new manager came in as head of service, with much said prior about their experience and precious CV in jobs at a higher level. After 1 week, they announced that they could not remain in post as the department was in such disarray that they refused to have their reputation sullied.
I fear that Charlton are at that level, where the only candidates are those with nothing to lose (on their way up) or unemployed (on their way down) and nobody wanted them as they would already be back in employment such is the football manager merry-go-round.
When is it our turn, to get owners that buy players and managers from a successful team above our own level, therfore showing intent with their wallets?
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I take a lot of these stats with a pinch of salt tbh - what sort of playing staff were available, did owners interfere, how good or bad were the stats for the club before manager x arrived or left?2
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Sadly we're currently in a position where
The squad isn't good enough
The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season
We have some promising youngsters
Defensively we are terrible
We are out of two cup competitions
Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign
We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
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Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jansupaclive said:Sadly we're currently in a position where
The squad isn't good enough
The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season
We have some promising youngsters
Defensively we are terrible
We are out of two cup competitions
Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign
We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
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Andy Scott said he gave up football management because he didn’t want to become a journeyman manager that just jumped from club to club.
If he hires Appleton then he’s hiring exactly that.6 -
No problem with Appleton or Cowley both experienced at this level .. Appleton might have the edge because he as worked very well with young players .
Don’t rule out Mark Warburton either5
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