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Next Manager Search - August 2023
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Chris Wilder was sent messages to not take up the Cafc job with Roland Duchatelet still making decisions on the football side.
Fortunately for Wilder he did some due diligence plus his dream job of Sheffield United came up and he enjoyed success at his boyhood team( for a time)
I would imagine most of the candidates have been warned off again either through spite or kindness.
Don't rule out Nobby Vinegar as he is a qualified coach in many sports including Canada's favourite sport.
As we have been skating on thin ice for at least a decade he must surely be in contention.
I would advise against any manager relocating within 50 miles of Sparrows lane until they have won back to back promotion as its not fair on the kids and the partner.1 -
I think the squad likely isn't the issue for new manager, as others have said on paper the personnel we have should be good enough to challenge for the top 6.
The issue, more worryingly, is likely to be with the SMT structure (DoF) and recruitment process, interference, unrealistic targets and a trigger happy board.6 -
Our stature as a Club has diminished dramatically since our last relegation. Everyone in the game knows this. Even if we were to enjoy a run of good form under a new manager, we'd struggle to retain their services for long.
Of those I thought might be serious contenders this time, Appleton's joint third on my list with the Cowleys. Jones and Moore are ahead of them but less likely, as are Challinor, Brady, Bonner and Richardson, but I really don't see much between them all tbh. I'm guessing that those who haven't 'failed' anywhere already have probably built they're reputation at a single Club and it's a bit too soon to trash it by entering the house of fun, which would be madness.
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I've just listened to a podacast interview with Des Buckingham. It's a shame we seemingly can't speak to him because he sounds like a breath of fresh air about him.
He's got a masters degree in coaching and is also has a pilots licence. Certainly seems like an interesting character, well organised and drilled and seems to get the right results from his players.
The fact he's at the City Football Group tells me he has something about him and 21 years of coaching at the age of 38 could be a really interesting dynamic - young enough to keep up with the modern game but exoerienced enough to know what is a load of bollocks.
I predict he will have a half decent career as a head coach.
Shame we can't get to him16 -
Kieran McKenna type Manager - Wonder if we've looked around at some of the Category One Academies, to try and entice an upcoming Neil Critchley type Manager.Swisdom said:I've just listened to a podacast interview with Des Buckingham. It's a shame we seemingly can't speak to him because he sounds like a breath of fresh air about him.
He's got a masters degree in coaching and is also has a pilots licence. Certainly seems like an interesting character, well organised and drilled and seems to get the right results from his players.
The fact he's at the City Football Group tells me he has something about him and 21 years of coaching at the age of 38 could be a really interesting dynamic - young enough to keep up with the modern game but exoerienced enough to know what is a load of bollocks.
I predict he will have a half decent career as a head coach.
Shame we can't get to him3 -
There should be a poll of fans views on this by Andy Scott before they appoint anyone. Probably too late now.Bolderhumphreyreid said:Anyone BUT Bowyer.
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
That would be proper marketing. Then recruit to that brief.2 -
ForeverAddickted said:
Kieran McKenna type Manager - Wonder if we've looked around at some of the Category One Academies, to try and entice an upcoming Neil Critchley type Manager.Swisdom said:I've just listened to a podacast interview with Des Buckingham. It's a shame we seemingly can't speak to him because he sounds like a breath of fresh air about him.
He's got a masters degree in coaching and is also has a pilots licence. Certainly seems like an interesting character, well organised and drilled and seems to get the right results from his players.
The fact he's at the City Football Group tells me he has something about him and 21 years of coaching at the age of 38 could be a really interesting dynamic - young enough to keep up with the modern game but exoerienced enough to know what is a load of bollocks.
I predict he will have a half decent career as a head coach.
Shame we can't get to him
This would be my preference, someone more along the lines of a McKenna.4 -
How does the structure compare to other L1 clubs? I can’t imagine the majority of others all give their managers complete control of signings. I don’t think this set up is as unusual as it’s being made out to be.Covered_End_Lad said:I think the squad likely isn't the issue for new manager, as others have said on paper the personnel we have should be good enough to challenge for the top 6.
The issue, more worryingly, is likely to be with the SMT structure (DoF) and recruitment process, interference, unrealistic targets and a trigger happy board.2 -
Sometimes you have to get a job, even if it is shit.
That's our talent pool.2 -
Only real playing style I think about is winning, if we can get the occasional rak Saki that would be the cherry on the cake.0
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Mate at Sparrows Lane has just messaged me to say a new training schedule has gone up today courtesy of the Cowley's:Monday - Football
Tuesday - Cross Country
Wednesday - Rounders65 -
If any of the applicants came out with that answer when asked why they want the job, I hope they were asked how soon they could start.Wheresmeticket? said:Sometimes you have to get a job, even if it is shit.
That's our talent pool.
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Its not the players that is the problem3
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You're right we don't know for sure. My assumption that it was either Bonner or Brady was based on Airman's post that a manager in our league at a smaller club had turned us down despite being given permission to talk to us.NabySarr said:
Well we don’t know do we? If we had tried to appoint Bonner or Brady I think they’d join. They might be above us at the moment but I’d bet good money we finish well above both in May. All we know is Brady was on the shortlist not whether we actually approached/tried to interview him, and Bonner hasn’t been mentioned yetChris_from_Sidcup said:
Clearly not.NabySarr said:
I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hitChris_from_Sidcup said:Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.2 -
They're certainly not helping the problemecclesaddick said:Its not the players that is the problem6 -
There really shouldn't. If we're trying to get a sensible, professional recruitment process completed then appointing a manager off the back of fan polls is not the way to do it. We need to appoint the best manager available, not the one who fans think they'd most enjoy seeing the style of. The second we go X-Factor in hiring a manager we've got even worse than Roland at appointing staffKingKinsella said:
There should be a poll of fans views on this by Andy Scott before they appoint anyone. Probably too late now.Bolderhumphreyreid said:Anyone BUT Bowyer.
I really want us to have a playing style identity. I actually enjoyed the playing style under Garner but I guess I'm on my own in that respect.
That would be proper marketing. Then recruit to that brief.
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Probably approached Scott Brown before kick off last SaturdayChris_from_Sidcup said:
You're right we don't know for sure. My assumption that it was either Bonner or Brady was based on Airman's post that a manager in our league at a smaller club had turned us down despite being given permission to talk to us.NabySarr said:
Well we don’t know do we? If we had tried to appoint Bonner or Brady I think they’d join. They might be above us at the moment but I’d bet good money we finish well above both in May. All we know is Brady was on the shortlist not whether we actually approached/tried to interview him, and Bonner hasn’t been mentioned yetChris_from_Sidcup said:
Clearly not.NabySarr said:
I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hitChris_from_Sidcup said:Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that. 0 -
I'd like a manager who is pragmatic, and isn't wedded to one particular style of formation, but is flexible.
I don't want to see defenders forced to play out from the back all the time when the other team play an effective press, and when the players aren't really technically gifted enough to it.
With the players at our disposal we can play more balls up to the front men, either for Leaburn/Tedic to flick on for May, or over the top for them to run on to.
Vary it, play out from the back sometimes, and then the opposition won't know to press or not.
And there's still the Corey option, but we need two or three bombing into the box to get on the end of the crosses.
And get them motivated. I'd like to see more players learning from the example of May, who just never stops trying.
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Your constant defence of the new regime got me thinking as to whether you've ever had a bad word to say about anything to do with the club.RonnieMoore said:
Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jansupaclive said:Sadly we're currently in a position where
The squad isn't good enough
The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season
We have some promising youngsters
Defensively we are terrible
We are out of two cup competitions
Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign
We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
So i checked the thread when Karel Fraeye was appointed. Here's a comment from you under one of your previous usernames about him:
"People are saying about the players well they know him they spoke very highly of him and is training methods before so this not a problem"
My god.27 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
You're right we don't know for sure. My assumption that it was either Bonner or Brady was based on Airman's post that a manager in our league at a smaller club had turned us down despite being given permission to talk to us.NabySarr said:
Well we don’t know do we? If we had tried to appoint Bonner or Brady I think they’d join. They might be above us at the moment but I’d bet good money we finish well above both in May. All we know is Brady was on the shortlist not whether we actually approached/tried to interview him, and Bonner hasn’t been mentioned yetChris_from_Sidcup said:
Clearly not.NabySarr said:
I think they’d jump at the chance. Realistically we will offer far more money than Northampton and Cambridge. We have much better players. Plus if they do become another sacking they get a nice pay off and will easily be able to get a job back at the level they were previously managing at. We are a free hitChris_from_Sidcup said:Not sure who the manager is that Airman is referring to but let's say it's either Bonner or Brady.
Brady has been in charge for 2.5 years
Bonner for not far off 4 years.
Both are well valued and in very stable jobs. You'd think that even if their clubs were in and around relegation this season their jobs would still be safe. Both clubs however are currently above us.
Unless we were offering silly wages (which i doubt we are), why would either want to leave their current clubs? Both likely looked at our recent churn of managers and thought fuck that.
Brady feels the most likely to have turned it down. Bonner I haven't seen mentioned outside this thread really whereas Brady was mentioned by Rich.0 - Sponsored links:
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And of course Crawley. Just as well they're in League Two.NabySarr said:
Who has a better squad than we do? Would say Bolton, Portsmouth, Oxford, Derby and Peterborough are probably the only contenders and I’d say our squad is at least on par with some of those.Braziliance said:Leuth said:Our current squad is one of the best in League One on a player by player basis, especially when Camara and Fraser are fit. I don't see why a manager wouldn't want to work with these players?
It isn't though. Since our relegation back here in 16/17 and now in our latest stint, we haven't had a single player make team of the year/season in league 1. Now you could argue that's cause we have only been promoted once, but even in Bowyers team not one player made it, of course you could argue that was harsh on the likes of Cullen, Bauer and Taylor but that's what happened.
Supposedly every season we have one of the strongest squads but none of our players are rarely ever mentioned by neutral fans and we have bad season after bad season. It's a false perception we have one of the best squads.
Certainly not one of the worst and a team capable of play offs, but no way one of the best.
I understand why you are miffed people don't want to manage us though as it's hardly a bad team and could have potential. My guess is there are money issues and a lack of guarantees
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Des Buckingham is a winning coach in India and is totally untested in English club football as a number 1 so even if another club came in for him from EFL would he leave a well paid Job in India. Spent time in NZ and Aussie coaching at various levels.
Does having good players in the Indian leave dovetail to having a problematic squad in League 1? We will never know now.
The rise of the British Coaches who will travel far and wide for football and life experiences is really large now.
Ben Garner did a spell as an assistant to Steve Coppel in the Indian super league at ATK.
Michael Beale (one of our own) spent near on 20 years coaching U7's to coaching in Brazil. Famous for Liverpool and Aston Villa coaching roles with great praise.
Left QPR for Rangers so would've definitely done the same if he had even a modicum of success at Cafc if the sliding door world had occured.
Thomas Sandgaard comments that we are more ambitious than Michael Beale was just another weird comment in his long list of weird comments.2 -
I think we have good players but a crap team.34
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The Dowies want their training schedule backChunes said:Mate at Sparrows Lane has just messaged me to say a new training schedule has gone up today courtesy of the Cowley's:Monday - Football
Tuesday - Cross Country
Wednesday - Rounders4 -
Our squad is nowhere near one of the best in the league and hasn't been for 3 seasons. Hence no one wants to buy any of them from the division above, apart from loanees returning to their club3
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Dear sirChunes said:Mate at Sparrows Lane has just messaged me to say a new training schedule has gone up today courtesy of the Cowley's:Monday - Football
Tuesday - Cross Country
Wednesday - Rounders
I'm sorry that Chuks isn't well enough to do PE today, as he has a pain in his leg.
Yours
Mrs Aneke53 -
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Yes, he didn’t rate Powell as a manager for us.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Your constant defence of the new regime got me thinking as to whether you've ever had a bad word to say about anything to do with the club.RonnieMoore said:
Correction the manager / Coach still has major say in recruitment working with Andy Scott …. And we do have sufficient funds but not wasting it on over priced league one and two players .. we will look again in Jansupaclive said:Sadly we're currently in a position where
The squad isn't good enough
The new owners got rid of their own man less than a month into the season
We have some promising youngsters
Defensively we are terrible
We are out of two cup competitions
Andy Scott has say over who you can and can't sign
We appear to not have significant budget to overhaul a mid table league one squad
That's not attractive on paper
So i checked the thread when Karel Fraeye was appointed. Here's a comment from you under one of your previous usernames about him:
"People are saying about the players well they know him they spoke very highly of him and is training methods before so this not a problem"
My god.3
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