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  • Thanks @Addick Addict, good info, doesn’t sound promising.
  • Rather than Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, maybe it should be Disgusted with Tunbridge Wells (council)...
  • Jack Leaning's Dad, Andy, used to be a pro goalkeeper and played for Sheffield United for one season (1987/88). Also in that side was someone who would go onto become a Charlton legend (standing next to Jack Leaning in the photo below). The two would only actually make a total of 34 appearances for The Blades between them. The team sheet is from the last time Maidstone played in the 3rd Round of the FA Cup. 

    May be an image of 3 people people playing soccer people playing football and text that says TODAYS TEAMS SHEFFIELD UNITED MAIDSTONE UNITED Red and White Shirts Black Shorts Amber Shirts Amber Shorts Andy Leaning Mervyn Cawston Mark David Jacques Martin Martin Kuhl Paul Stancliffe 6 Brian Smith Colin Morris 8 Tony Philliskirk Clive Mendonca 10 Mark Dempsey Peter Beagrie 14 John Glover Alan Risk Nigel Donn 8 Steve Butler Mick Doherty Mark Hill 11 Andy Higginbottom Tony Rogers 14 Steve Parsons LYNCH Red Trim REFEREE TYLDESLEY Stockport LINESMEN GH YNER Yellow Trim
  • Low budget appointments 
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Low budget appointments 
    Radford and Joseph ? 
  • Toby Radford is a top quality, very technically minded, batting coach. If he can't improve the quality of the existing cohort and the youngsters coming through then no one can! Robbie Joseph, the new bowling coach, of course, used to play for us.  
  • As I say, Radford is very technical and experienced too:


    Experience

    Consultancy England and Wales Cricket Board -ECB

    From Sept 2019 – present

    • I wrote and delivered the Batting Module on the ECB level 3 coach education course.
    • Mentored level 4 coaches and assessed Level 3 coaches.

    West Indies Cricket Team – Batting/Assistant Coach

    From 2016 - 2019

    I was Batting coach and Assistant Coach for the senior international side.
    Helped the team to win its first Test Match in England for 18 years in 2017 and achieve its first Test Match series win against England in the Caribbean for 20 years

    Glamorgan Country Cricket Club - Head Coach

    From 2013-2015

      Head Coach of the county team and responsible for the day-to-day management of all support staff and county players and the Coaching of the professional playing staff.
    • Was pleased that the Club equaled its record of 4 Championship wins in a row in 2015

    West Indies Cricket Team - Batting / Assistant Coach

    From 2012-2013

    • I was Batting Coach and Assistant Coach for the senior international side.
    • I was delighted when the West Indies were crowned ICC World T20 Champions in Sri Lanka in 2012

    Cricket West Indies – Consultancy

    From 2011-2012

    • I wrote new Coach Education documents for the national governing body and was the batting coach for the West Indies Academy tour to Dubai.

    Cricket West Indies – Director of High Performance Center

    From 2010-2011

    • I wrote, directed and delivered the Programme for the West Indies International Cricket Academy in Barbados.
    • I managed and coached the players and managed the Support Staff.

    Consultancy England and Wales Cricket Board - ECB - Head Coach of England Training Camp

    From 2009-2010

    • I wrote, directed and delivered a three-week training Camp in Pretoria and was responsible for the coaching of all players

    Middlesex County Cricket Club - Head Coach

    From 2007-2009

    • I was Head Coach of Middlesex County Cricket Club and delighted when the team became national T20 Champions in 2008.
    • I was responsible for the coaching of the full playing staff and the management of all the players and support staff

    Middlesex County Cricket Club – Academy Director / Second Eleven Coach

    From 2005-2007

    • I was Director of the Middlesex Cricket Academy and delighted when the Second Eleven won the National Second Eleven Trophy in 2007

    Middlesex Country Cricket Club - Academy Director

    From 2003-2005

    • I launched the Middlesex Cricket Academy in 2003 and ECB subsequently used the Middlesex format as their Academy blueprint.

    England and Wales Cricket Board - ECB

    From 2001-2003

    • I coached England Under 15, 17 and 19 teams and wrote and delivered sections of the ECB Coach Education level 3 and 4 batting sessions

    Professional Qualifications

    ECB Level 4 Coach

    2:1 Journalism Degree (City University, London)

    Quintic / sportscode/ crickstat

    Other Achievements

    Professional cricketer with Middlesex and Sussex CCC

    Toured Australia with Young England in 1990/91

    Toured New Zealand with Young England 1991/92

    References (available on request)

    Eoin Morgan - England One Day Captain

    Jason Holder – West Indies Test Match Captain

    Jimmy Adams – Director of Cricket – Cricket West Indies

    Andrew Strauss – Chairman of ECB Cricket Committee

  • Ah, I have done some research now on the batting coach, and as you say he does look good, looks like he has worked with Billings a lot for the last few years, which worries me, as his form has dipped.

    But watched some of his videos on social media, he looks a very good coach.
  • Excellent debate and idea. 

    The "feeder" teams are the Kent U18s (where they can play up to three 19 year olds) and the Kent 2s though. We are talking about Kent not Surrey too - I'm not sure we pay much more than the equivalent of expenses to play in the 2s and not all clubs pay their PL players either and if they do I can only think of one or two that might pay the majority of those players - so it's not all about money.   

    We should take into account just how few actually make it as pros - it's been an average of two players for every three years for the last 21 years between the two Denlys i.e. the youngest and the oldest contracted players. That includes a four year void between Jaydn Denly and Jas Singh. Bar Zak Crawley, who will be mostly playing for England, we do not have a single home produced regular under 30 in our side. Cox and Robinson would have almost certainly been a couple that would have been but it is our failure to produce other youngsters that upsets Kent supporters so much when the likes of those two do opt to leave for other opportunities.

    Effectively, with an U23 side, we would be asking clubs that do support a colts system to sacrifice one, two or even three of the players that they have spent up to eight years bringing through as opposed to another that has a side made up of imports players and who contribute nothing to Kent in doing so. Kent give more opportunities to trialists from other areas than players from the Kent League and they would, effectively, be expecting clubs to allow the ones Kent aren't prepared to play mid-week to turn out for them on a Saturday - when a maximum of one, in all probability, in any Kent squad will ultimately make it as a pro i.e. more than 90% won't. 

    One question I would also ask is at what level would we be pitching that team? Someone who is 21 really needs to be playing in the KPL if they want to improve and prove themselves - there might not be overt pressure from Kent, especially for someone who is in the Academy and getting games for the Academy and the 2s, but as one influential Kent coach has said in recent seasons "I don't even look at scores outside the Premier because I don't see those as proving anything". Out of sight really is out of mind. 

    So that message is clear enough - unless you are a pro or in the current Academy then you need to score runs in the Kent Premier to be recognised. But then we get right back to the situation where ball, in the KPL, is king by virtue of the pitches that are, invariably, so lacking in pace and bounce with those teams batting first in 50 over games (i.e. non DLS affected) and scoring over 240 runs, winning on 19 of the 22 occasions last season that happened. In fact, more teams won setting between 171 and 240 than lost which is a clear indication of how difficult it is not only to set a big score but also how most of these tracks do deteriorate. That would serve to explain the scores of Kent contracted batsmen in the Kent League last season:

    Bell-Drummond: 40 
    Blake: 30, 45, 55, 64, 47, 35, 85, 8, 30, 2, 6 
    Compton: 7, 64, 0, 24, 61*, 17 
    Denly (Jaydn): 2, 1, 33, 13, 0, 1, 23, 1, 17, 0, 2 
    Leaning: 19. 29 
    Muyeye: 13 
    O'Riordan: 2, 10. 19. 11, 13, 18 

    Not one ton and just five half centuries from 38 innings. If it is so difficult for Kent first teamers to produce big scores then it has to be the same for all players at that level. The bowling is going to be, at times, very much as good as they might face in the pro game but the surface simply isn't. So it becomes a bit of a vicious circle for those aspiring players not in the system. The ECB report highlighted the current bias which is why the South Asian Cricket Academy has been so good for the game because the SACA side gets to play against County 2nd XIs - and from there I think something like half a dozen have gone on to secure pro contracts as a result. 

     
    Yes fair points, but I think there needs to be a bit more structure to development, and as you say the amount that actually make it pro is very low.. But a lot of that is down to money as well, as a lot of talented crickets, can earn more money away from the game. 

    2xl cricket isn't that great to be honest, I think they should scrap that! It doesn't offer enough of a transition from club cricket to first class cricket.. In fact, I think 2xl cricket is a dip.. Players turning up more pissed than club cricket, players can't be ars*d. And the cricket isn't competitive either, bit more turning an arm over, and get a bit of form..  
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  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Yes fair points, but I think there needs to be a bit more structure to development, and as you say the amount that actually make it pro is very low.. But a lot of that is down to money as well, as a lot of talented crickets, can earn more money away from the game. 

    2xl cricket isn't that great to be honest, I think they should scrap that! It doesn't offer enough of a transition from club cricket to first class cricket.. In fact, I think 2xl cricket is a dip.. Players turning up more pissed than club cricket, players can't be ars*d. And the cricket isn't competitive either, bit more turning an arm over, and get a bit of form..  
    a few years ago they used to have a Unicorns team which was made up of out of contract and up and coming players . They used to play against the counties in one of the comps. Also the MCCU games don’t seem to be around any more. 

    I suppose 2nd xi cricket goes the same way as age group cricket and age group football. Generally they are only looking at a couple of players and the rest are making up the numbers. 
  • Tommy Ealham, son of Mark and grandson of Alan, has signed his first pro contract for Surrey. Tommy, like his older brother, George, was a part of the Kent age group system but moved to Surrey at the age of 16. George has switched between playing for Kent and Surrey 2s over the course of the last few seasons but has yet to earn himself a contract at either county.  
  • edited December 2023
    Jaydn Denly has been selected in the 15 man England squad for the U19 World Cup due to take place next month.

    As I've said previously, it is interesting the way England have utilised Jaydn. In the two Test matches against Australia U19s he opened the batting with some success with scores of 9, 69, 42 and 74 but was only sparingly thrown the ball in bowling just a dozen overs in total. In the recent Tri ODI Series against India and Bangladesh his scores and batting positions were 0 (3), 50 (3), 2 (1), 0 (7), 0 (8) and DNB (8) but he was very much a "go to" bowler in the sense that he came on at first or second changed in all six matches to return impressive figures of 46.3-1-202-8.


    Ultimately, as @DubaiCAFC suggests, Jaydn might well be an opening batsman in red ball but not yet a front line bowler in that discipline. Whereas in white ball cricket he is a bowler that can contain and create pressure as a result but might need to bide his time so far as batting is concerned particularly as he doesn't yet possess the stamp of some of the power hitters that we do see at U19 level - there again, he isn't 18 for another month so has at least another year in him at this level.


     
  • Looks like Kent are announcing a signing today, judging by social media 
  • Ravi Ashwin and Kane Williamson please
  • Rumours are Aaron Finch, but I can't see it!
  • Harry Finch new contract... haha!
  • They're holding back the Bumrah and Williamson announcement until this afternoon clearly.
  • edited December 2023
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Harry Finch new contract... haha!

    Somehow social media went from Aaron Finch to Adam Finch to Harry Finch. Just goes to show that a little information is a little dangerous sometimes. Having said that and as much as I like Harry Finch, I do think that it is a bit disappointing that our social media department opts to give such a build up to someone signing a one year extension beyond the season he is already committed to. 
  • We have 22 players on our books. With the best will in the world and given our finances, I really do not see that, bar another overseas and possibly one more player that there will be many more players coming in. 
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  • I guess they see Finch is a good enough keeper for the red ball and 50 over games, with Billings having the gloves for the Blast.

    There's no reason why Billings can't play some CC games either, assuming he's got his issues sorted.
  • I guess they see Finch is a good enough keeper for the red ball and 50 over games, with Billings having the gloves for the Blast.

    There's no reason why Billings can't play some CC games either, assuming he's got his issues sorted.
    Indeed and If one or other does get injured then I daresay we will get an emergency loan or, in the case of the 50 over comp, call up a keeper from the Kent League.

    I am far from saying that the intention is not to retain Finch beyond 2025 but, as Billings' contract also ends at that point, it will make decision making more open at that time should we want to keep both and/or re-sign a certain former keeper of ours (signed a three-year contract at the beginning of last season at his current Club - also assuming that he wants to come back that is)  
  • Indeed and If one or other does get injured then I daresay we will get an emergency loan or, in the case of the 50 over comp, call up a keeper from the Kent League.

    I am far from saying that the intention is not to retain Finch beyond 2025 but, as Billings' contract also ends at that point, it will make decision making more open at that time should we want to keep both and/or re-sign a certain former keeper of ours (signed a three-year contract at the beginning of last season at his current Club - also assuming that he wants to come back that is)  
    The plot thickens - the day after Finch signs a new contract so does Billings. Effectively, he and Kent have agreed to tear up the existing one to 2025 and replace it with a white ball only one for the same period. That really does suggest that we need to sign another keeper, albeit maybe a youngster, because if Finch breaks a finger then we literally have no one to keep. 

    https://www.kentcricket.co.uk/news/t20-captain-billings-commits-to-kent-with-white-ball-deal/
  • It also means that 2 years after Billings kept wicket in an Ashes Test, he's effectively retired from red ball cricket.
  • It also means that 2 years after Billings kept wicket in an Ashes Test, he's effectively retired from red ball cricket.
    He's been non-committed to our red ball career for years - last 8 seasons he's played this number of games in the CC: 6, 5, 4, 6, 4, 8, 6 & 7. There's just a bit more honesty from both sides now. We should also remember that had he not insisted on taking the gloves off Robinson then he would still be with us.  
  • He's been non-committed to our red ball career for years - last 8 seasons he's played this number of games in the CC: 6, 5, 4, 6, 4, 8, 6 & 7. There's just a bit more honesty from both sides now. We should also remember that had he not insisted on taking the gloves off Robinson then he would still be with us.  
    If he hadn't been made reserve red ball keeper for England, then I imagine he would have happily given up the red ball gloves for Kent permanently, thought there still would have been the problem of Robinson not being picked for our Blast matches.
  • If he hadn't been made reserve red ball keeper for England, then I imagine he would have happily given up the red ball gloves for Kent permanently, thought there still would have been the problem of Robinson not being picked for our Blast matches.
    Certainly Robinson's release to Durham for the Blast enabled him to invoke a clause in his contract and be released a year early. However, had he been keeper for the duration of the CC and given that he had such a successful Royal Insurance campaign that season for us (534 runs at 59.33 and S/R of 123.04) then it would not have taken much to convince him that he had a future with us in all forms of the game. Relationships between Kent an Robinson are still very good (Kent on social media wished him a happy birthday last week) and I suspect that the door is very much open for two years time. Unlike Cox who appears to have been the "fall guy" for Robinson's departure - both Downton and Billings mentioned when Cox left that he had been given opportunities to the detriment of "others". 
  • Here's something that has just dawned on me - out of a squad of 22 we now only have five capped players namely Denly, DBD, Billings, Crawley and Leaning and of those Billings will only play in the Blast and Crawley will probably be seen more times in England and London Spirit shirt next season.

    That brings home how the squad has evolved and that we really have lost, in recent times, so many capped players that were part of the fabric of our Club be it because they were homegrown and/or because of their contribution namely the likes of Stevens, Kuhn, Henry, Podmore, Milne, Milnes, Robinson, Cox and Blake. I am also slightly surprised that Grant Stewart hasn't been capped too. 


  • Arshdeep Singh proving why he is a better white ball than red ball bowler - finishes with figures in an ODI for India against SA with figures of 10-0-37-5 and taking out four of the top five in the process. 
  • It doesn't look like Sam Billings was picked in the IPL
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