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Yes but any decent manager coming in would want to make his own decisions and not be told what to do all the time.Valley11 said:
Don’t be stupid. There will be loads as you well know. We could go the Ipswich or Portsmouth route and promote one of the countries brilliant u21 coaches.redbuttle said:
Name one...Valley11 said:
Plenty. We have become so weak in our mindset that some are now wondering if we’re a draw. Of course we are!redbuttle said:
Problem is this. What managers that could take us forward would want to join?Valley11 said:A result that has strengthened my view to get rid of Appleton. A bloody beige uninspiring appointment from the start, and that’s what he’s delivering.
I’ve never ever been one for chopping and changing managers, and the players are cowards, but this bloke is not going to take us forward. Change it now before he has a transfer window that’ll set us back even further…if that’s possibleRegardless, get rid of this bloke. The most un Charlton, uninspiring, middle of the road manager going
We deserve and should be demanding more
Or failing that go with someone who has already proved they’re an ambitious, progressive coach.
So name one…ok, Gary Rowett. Or another… Dave Challinor.Pick someone with ambition and drive. You know, ideals our club used to believe in, demand and expect.
This idea that we’re an unattractive prospect is bullshit.4 -
Also if that's the case why did we end up with Michael Appleton?redbuttle said:
Yes but any decent manager coming in would want to make his iwn decisions and not be told what to do all the time.Valley11 said:
Don’t be stupid. There will be loads as you well know. We could go the Ipswich or Portsmouth route and promote one of the countries brilliant u21 coaches.redbuttle said:
Name one...Valley11 said:
Plenty. We have become so weak in our mindset that some are now wondering if we’re a draw. Of course we are!redbuttle said:
Problem is this. What managers that could take us forward would want to join?Valley11 said:A result that has strengthened my view to get rid of Appleton. A bloody beige uninspiring appointment from the start, and that’s what he’s delivering.
I’ve never ever been one for chopping and changing managers, and the players are cowards, but this bloke is not going to take us forward. Change it now before he has a transfer window that’ll set us back even further…if that’s possibleRegardless, get rid of this bloke. The most un Charlton, uninspiring, middle of the road manager going
We deserve and should be demanding more
Or failing that go with someone who has already proved they’re an ambitious, progressive coach.
So name one…ok, Gary Rowett. Or another… Dave Challinor.Pick someone with ambition and drive. You know, ideals our club used to believe in, demand and expect.
This idea that we’re an unattractive prospect is bullshit.1 -
We don’t own out ground or training ground, we go through managers at a ridiculous rate, have a paper thin squad, have a skinflint ownership whose structure and location is opaque at best, fronted by an obnoxious character who is highly decisive. When we do develop young players of ability we are lucky to see them for half a season before they are sold and it’s clear that there isn’t a budgetValley11 said:
Don’t be stupid. There will be loads as you well know. We could go the Ipswich or Portsmouth route and promote one of the countries brilliant u21 coaches.redbuttle said:
Name one...Valley11 said:
Plenty. We have become so weak in our mindset that some are now wondering if we’re a draw. Of course we are!redbuttle said:
Problem is this. What managers that could take us forward would want to join?Valley11 said:A result that has strengthened my view to get rid of Appleton. A bloody beige uninspiring appointment from the start, and that’s what he’s delivering.
I’ve never ever been one for chopping and changing managers, and the players are cowards, but this bloke is not going to take us forward. Change it now before he has a transfer window that’ll set us back even further…if that’s possibleRegardless, get rid of this bloke. The most un Charlton, uninspiring, middle of the road manager going
We deserve and should be demanding more
Or failing that go with someone who has already proved they’re an ambitious, progressive coach.
So name one…ok, Gary Rowett. Or another… Dave Challinor.Pick someone with ambition and drive. You know, ideals our club used to believe in, demand and expect.
This idea that we’re an unattractive prospect is bullshit.
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Whatever happens to Appleton, given Scott’s track record thus far on managerial appointments and player signings, can we really trust the man’s judgment going forward or is he just another blagger ?5
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Hmmmm, I hope we have a good January or else things could be worrying.Chunes said:We could still go on a run in Feb...
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If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.7 -
Back from the game and omg it was terrible. No effort, not interested and definitely no class shown today and previous matches. Spoke with some Orient fans on way home and they can’t believe how poor we have become from playing them first game of season. Apples I suspect will be given the transfer window then by Easter if it’s still the same he might be catching the bus leaving Charlton.So bad today. CBT is Kirk in disguise. Please leave.0
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Replace an s with a b.BigDiddy said:
Appleton needs to be sackedSouthendaddick said:What a horrible match to watch, so little quality, so much hoofball
Fraser tried to play a bit but he’s definitely someone that needs quality around him and there was nothing there today, CBT completely sussed with Pratley always covering his inside run
I get that Appleton has injuries but nothing he does or says inspires me and this has turned into yet another drab season, who in their right mind would sign for us
Merry Christmas3 -
Plausible.eastterrace6168 said:Wouldn't be at all surprised if Alfie put in a transfer request if nothing is forthcoming within 7 days of the window opening, he must be feeling "why did I agree to come here"...🤷♂️0 -
Look who appointed him.redbuttle said:
Also if that's the case why did we end up with Michael Appleton?redbuttle said:
Yes but any decent manager coming in would want to make his iwn decisions and not be told what to do all the time.Valley11 said:
Don’t be stupid. There will be loads as you well know. We could go the Ipswich or Portsmouth route and promote one of the countries brilliant u21 coaches.redbuttle said:
Name one...Valley11 said:
Plenty. We have become so weak in our mindset that some are now wondering if we’re a draw. Of course we are!redbuttle said:
Problem is this. What managers that could take us forward would want to join?Valley11 said:A result that has strengthened my view to get rid of Appleton. A bloody beige uninspiring appointment from the start, and that’s what he’s delivering.
I’ve never ever been one for chopping and changing managers, and the players are cowards, but this bloke is not going to take us forward. Change it now before he has a transfer window that’ll set us back even further…if that’s possibleRegardless, get rid of this bloke. The most un Charlton, uninspiring, middle of the road manager going
We deserve and should be demanding more
Or failing that go with someone who has already proved they’re an ambitious, progressive coach.
So name one…ok, Gary Rowett. Or another… Dave Challinor.Pick someone with ambition and drive. You know, ideals our club used to believe in, demand and expect.
This idea that we’re an unattractive prospect is bullshit.5 - Sponsored links:
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Plausible.kinveachyaddick said:Sat in the Directors Box right in the halfway line directly behind Appleton - he didn’t say one thing all game to the players. Just stood motionless. Absolutely begs belief how you can watch that dirge and not say a word.Did nothing. No tactical switches. No subs. No nothing.In contrast, their No.7 came on and won the game for them.A few other Addicks had hospitality and spoke with Andy Scott afterwards making it clear they weren’t happy.Enough is enough. Get rid now!eastterrace6168 said:Wouldn't be at all surprised if Alfie put in a transfer request if nothing is forthcoming within 7 days of the window opening, he must be feeling "why did I agree to come here"...🤷♂️0 -
Concerning what you said about Appleton, is it a response to pressure from above?kinveachyaddick said:Sat in the Directors Box right in the halfway line directly behind Appleton - he didn’t say one thing all game to the players. Just stood motionless. Absolutely begs belief how you can watch that dirge and not say a word.Did nothing. No tactical switches. No subs. No nothing.In contrast, their No.7 came on and won the game for them.A few other Addicks had hospitality and spoke with Andy Scott afterwards making it clear they weren’t happy.Enough is enough. Get rid now!
Good on the fellas for talking to Scott.1 -
Need half a dozen players in (first team only) with a set of bollocks and pack all the children off to the local boxing gym for lessons on how to fight.2
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A manager will find it hard building a team IF they have very little say in recruitment.MuttleyCAFC said:Now it is clear we can't make the play offs, there is little point sticking with Appleton and we need a manager to start building for next season in January. I was for keeping him and giving him a window to bridge the gap but the gap looks unbridgeable already. Do we want him managing us next season, if not the club has to act.
In Appleton's defence, I think he may realise we have to lose quite a few players, but maybe he needed to string them along through December and they are not playing for him as he hasn't. As we were behind the curve going into December this has been a disaster.
Scott needs to give Appleton a free reign on players.
If Appleton was sacked and we brought in another manager who had very little say in recruitment then we are likely to be no better off.
This mob need to BACK the manager.4 -
But we have got better beer and more chips !0
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agreed and i banged on about the need to sign 1, maybe 2 physical strikers - since our injury prone 2 got injured, as they always do, we have been useless - and were useless before they played that month or so - we all said a month ago we couldn't see how we would win a game before the window opens - if you have no threat / route to scoring a goal, you have nothing as a football team and that is where we are now - there are other deficiencies in the side obviously but once you have nothing up top, it kills everything.golfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.0 -
Oh forgot to say, Thanks Charlton for ruining my Xmas.2
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Actually had quite a shit Christmas so far anyway, so fuck you Charlton!Brown59 said:Oh forgot to say, Thanks Charlton for ruining my Xmas.0 -
Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.6 -
In fairness, apart from the issues you have highlighted, everything seems to be going fairly well.IAgree said:
We don’t own out ground or training ground, we go through managers at a ridiculous rate, have a paper thin squad, have a skinflint ownership whose structure and location is opaque at best, fronted by an obnoxious character who is highly decisive. When we do develop young players of ability we are lucky to see them for half a season before they are sold and it’s clear that there isn’t a budgetValley11 said:
Don’t be stupid. There will be loads as you well know. We could go the Ipswich or Portsmouth route and promote one of the countries brilliant u21 coaches.redbuttle said:
Name one...Valley11 said:
Plenty. We have become so weak in our mindset that some are now wondering if we’re a draw. Of course we are!redbuttle said:
Problem is this. What managers that could take us forward would want to join?Valley11 said:A result that has strengthened my view to get rid of Appleton. A bloody beige uninspiring appointment from the start, and that’s what he’s delivering.
I’ve never ever been one for chopping and changing managers, and the players are cowards, but this bloke is not going to take us forward. Change it now before he has a transfer window that’ll set us back even further…if that’s possibleRegardless, get rid of this bloke. The most un Charlton, uninspiring, middle of the road manager going
We deserve and should be demanding more
Or failing that go with someone who has already proved they’re an ambitious, progressive coach.
So name one…ok, Gary Rowett. Or another… Dave Challinor.Pick someone with ambition and drive. You know, ideals our club used to believe in, demand and expect.
This idea that we’re an unattractive prospect is bullshit.3 - Sponsored links:
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Absolute shower of semen. Rotten, boring, directionless and that was Leyton Orient
Again, regardless of how low shit opposition set the bar we manage to limbo under it with ease. Marking space with zero brain cells even with spare bodies to pick up runners, even Arsenal worked out 20 years ago this was not a sensible way to defend your penalty area when the opposition stubbornly refuse to attack as zonally.
No dynamism whatsoever, and our braindead players continue to whack long balls up to 3 players who do not have a prayer of winning a header. Then back to crab, crab, crab give ball away cheaply and show no urgency or desire to win it back (Dobson excused from this as he seemingly exists only to win the ball back that his teammates heartily keep giving away)
Another season and another squad full of coasters dotted with a few players with any desire and even less with any footballing intelligence.
That was shit today but I know we can be worse given the right class of opposition
Whoever this latest mob of chancers are have a decision to make. Back Appleton properly if he is the man to play the defined style of football Scott is in charge of implementing or sell to Barclay if he is even still interested in essentially the name Charlton Athletic and a squad of professional coasters dotted with some kids that need loan time lower down the ladder5 -
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-4097188
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Wonder if he thinks the people who booed him off today were also a very, very small percentage?Oakster2 said:
Actually Appleton has history when it comes to Message Boards, Social Media & fan's opinionsgolfaddick said:
If anyone wants to spend hours searching the threads I categorically stated back in the summer that we need to replace JRS as he almost single handedly kept us up last season (without his goals we would certainly have been in the bottom 4) and that we have no one wide right.SporadicAddick said:
Because having a succession of loanees in critical positions has left us in such a strong position…Valiantphil said:
We have Hector, CBT and May that fit your description - but if you don’t want another Gallagher, Rak Saki, Beilik, Cullen or Maatsen then fair enough.SporadicAddick said:
No we don’t, we need top level League One / Championship level signings. We won’t get them, but that’s what we need.Valiantphil said:We need some Prem quality loanees (not Tedic).
6 months on & we have tried......
Campbell T
Campbell C
Leaburn
May
Tedic
Kanu
at right wing. All to no avail.
For the love of God will someone please listen when fans speak.
“What I tend to find at certain clubs I’ve worked for is that there’s almost an obsession with social media and fans’ forums within the hierarchy. You’re talking about these people on social media and fans’ forums and they’re a very, very small percentage of the actual fanbase but their voice seems to be bigger than what yours is.”
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/michael-appleton-opens-up-on-blackpools-struggles-manager-pressure-and-impact-of-social-media-40971882 -
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.0 -
or there's the third option which is what powell and bowyer did - put a good side together with good players in a sensible formation that suits themYannTheMann said:
The most sensible analysis in this threadGribbo said:Our players and manager are always going to be mediocre as long as we're League 1. Players who are 100% in all areas of their game don't tend to play in League 1, they're usually with Chelsea or City in the Prem.
CBT, for example, getting pelters for not being able to finish a move every time; yeah that's right, because if he did have the finishing touch every time, he wouldn't be playing for Charlton.
Just think the idea is to give a mediocre manager time and support, to get the best out of a team of mediocre players, who each make up for eachother's short falls. The only alternative to that, imo, is to invest heavily, or do a Wrexham and become fashionable overnight.5 -
Sorry but , it’s Booo time, Appleton out….. !!!!!!1
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Sick and tired of this shit!1
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Another game where I couldn't watch (travelling between relatives) and opened the match thread about after an hour had been lost played but at the beginning. Read we were playing an unchanged team, then read that now Kanu was playing on the right and May through the middle. Realised at that point that even with very rose tinted spectacles, Appleton is a fucking moron.2
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Maynard Brewer is 24 years old and has over 40 league appearances. I think he's probably past they point where we can call him a kid any more. This probably strengthens the point you are making.Bailey said:
Sadly it's the kids who's heads drop first as they look at the senior pro's and expect guidance when none is forthcoming. That said, there was only two kids Maynard Brewer and Kanu who started today and it was after substitutions were made, that we conceded. Appleton's frustration is not only with a lack of forwards and the side having very little backbone, it's the lack of quality or appetite of those on the bench. Tedic is really poor and Tyreece Campbell has the look of somebody who has been thrown into arena to grapple with LionsLincsaddick said:
Brown sums it up perfectly .. the manager and most of the 'players' are roving mercenaries 'playing' for the cash and certainly NOT for the shirt .. even the 'home grown' graduates to the first team don't seem to show the fervour for the club that I expect, or am I being too hard here .. whatever, the way out of the club's present limboland will not be easy, signing management and players with the necessary zeal will be expensive and will take a long time i m o .. still Luton managed it and so have countless other temporarily 'fallen giants'. We can only hope that our time will come againCallumcafc said:1 -
Pretty sure unless you're Ian Wright / Jamie Vardy, 40 league appearances at 24, is a sign that you're never going to be any good.....or you are a Charlton player, so are out injured a lot.Stig said:
Maynard Brewer is 24 years old and has over 40 league appearances. I think he's probably past they point where we can call him a kid any more. This probably strengthens the point you are making.Bailey said:
Sadly it's the kids who's heads drop first as they look at the senior pro's and expect guidance when none is forthcoming. That said, there was only two kids Maynard Brewer and Kanu who started today and it was after substitutions were made, that we conceded. Appleton's frustration is not only with a lack of forwards and the side having very little backbone, it's the lack of quality or appetite of those on the bench. Tedic is really poor and Tyreece Campbell has the look of somebody who has been thrown into arena to grapple with LionsLincsaddick said:
Brown sums it up perfectly .. the manager and most of the 'players' are roving mercenaries 'playing' for the cash and certainly NOT for the shirt .. even the 'home grown' graduates to the first team don't seem to show the fervour for the club that I expect, or am I being too hard here .. whatever, the way out of the club's present limboland will not be easy, signing management and players with the necessary zeal will be expensive and will take a long time i m o .. still Luton managed it and so have countless other temporarily 'fallen giants'. We can only hope that our time will come againCallumcafc said:5
