Even if Jones does or doesn’t become manager the fact he’s interested in having talks is enough to show that despite our current position we still have enough pull as a club and perhaps not as basket case / damage done / club size shrunk as we may have thought.
A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
Nathan Jones managed them for 170 games between January 2016 and January 2019. He got them promoted from L2 in that time and managed the first half of their L1 winning season.
Mick Harford managed them for 21 games between January 2019 and May 2019 (when they won L1).
Nathan Jones then came back in 2020, kept them up in the Championship, then finished 12th and improved again when they finished 6th and lost in the playoffs. He managed them for another 133 games.
Wanted to look this up to understand your point. In the 5 months Harford was there how could he have had a greater influence than the 300+ games Jones was there, in which they improved every season?
two main points .. Harford was the manager for the important five months during which Luton were promoted from L1, secondly he was with the club, and I believe he still is for far longer than 5 months .. and on TWO occasions he has taken over Luton's management following Jones's desertion of the club. Harford was there during Luton's 'success' in the Championship. Jones is a serial loser more than a serial winner and is not to be trusted .. yes he got Luton out of L2, BUT what has he achieved since as a solo act ?
ANYWAY, we all have our opinions about good/bad managers, I say once more, I wouldn't touch Nathan Jones with a bargepole when it comes to managing CAFC
Other than maybe Eddie Howe, the guy has basically the best EFL record in the last 15 years. I mean I know we all have opinions but to call him a serial loser is just ridiculous.
Having read that very good and balanced article about NJ, it has put me even firmer in 'its a Yes from me camp'. However we can't dilly-dally, let's get him in and let him finish off the transfer window with a few more players, that he wants!
Got to admire Lincs willing to die on hill over this Harford thing, impressive
your admiration is grudgingly (but gratefully) accepted lol .. however, IF the sainted Jones is appointed or should we beg Appleton, Garner or Adkins to return, anybody ! they will have my best wishes, cos anyone coming in will need all the help they can get whilst striving to get us out of this downslide
Following on from @Henry Irving post that someone new is being interviewed are we to take it that it’s Warburton or has he already been seen and we’re on to somebody else ?
A team 18th in League One getting Nathan Jones is really impressive. It's just over a year ago a pretty well run Premier League club opted for him as manager. Although it didn't work out, his achievements at Luton are remarkable and I really hope if we give him time, he could do the same here.
the 'remarkable achievements' at Luton were, as I have opined before, more down to Mick Harford than Jones .. as I have also said before, Jones is NOT NOT NOT the manager we need, he is at best a fair to middling player coach
Nathan Jones managed them for 170 games between January 2016 and January 2019. He got them promoted from L2 in that time and managed the first half of their L1 winning season.
Mick Harford managed them for 21 games between January 2019 and May 2019 (when they won L1).
Nathan Jones then came back in 2020, kept them up in the Championship, then finished 12th and improved again when they finished 6th and lost in the playoffs. He managed them for another 133 games.
Wanted to look this up to understand your point. In the 5 months Harford was there how could he have had a greater influence than the 300+ games Jones was there, in which they improved every season?
two main points .. Harford was the manager for the important five months during which Luton were promoted from L1, secondly he was with the club, and I believe he still is for far longer than 5 months .. and on TWO occasions he has taken over Luton's management following Jones's desertion of the club. Harford was there during Luton's 'success' in the Championship. Jones is a serial loser more than a serial winner and is not to be trusted .. yes he got Luton out of L2, BUT what has he achieved since as a solo act ?
ANYWAY, we all have our opinions about good/bad managers, I say once more, I wouldn't touch Nathan Jones with a bargepole when it comes to managing CAFC
Why are the last five months the most important? If Jones hadn’t given them the platform to achieve promotion in the initial months of the season then Harford wouldn’t have had the opportunity to finish the job off. Serial loser? OMG.
He wouldn’t be my first choice, Duff would, but then again to you he’d be a serial loser I suppose. Every manager has failed somewhere, it comes with the territory.
Despite my queries about how successful he truly has been in the past, if it is Jones he will quickly win me over.
A couple of good results and his "passion" will do it as I am honest enough to admit I am shallow, the reason I go to football is to be over emotional, both in the good & bad times.
It's why I try to avoid the match threads or post threads too soon after the game as I probably won't agree with my own posts 12 hours later.
A worthwhile read. Sounds similar to Powell when he first joined. Slowly implemented his ideas mid-season and then overhauled the squad and playing style ahead of the new season. A bit of patience may be required.
I hope we are quite advanced with any of the major candidates that have been mentioned as Huddersfield have just sacked Darren Moore, that could throw a spanner in the works if it's Jones,Duff,Eustace being interviewed by us.
I hope we are quite advanced with any of the major candidates that have been mentioned as Huddersfield have just sacked Darren Moore, that could throw a spanner in the works if it's Jones,Duff,Eustace being interviewed by us.
Would've taken Moore instead of Appleton, but thought the general consensus was that he'd not come down to our level?
I believe that when Jones took over at Stoke he brought in Phil Chapple, who had been head of recruitment under Chris Powell, in a similar role. Also played a few games for us.
Not sure where Phil is now, he was at Brighton, but for those who want "understands the club" he does in spades.
How that would work with Andy Scott I don't know. No, that's not true, I think it wouldn't work but Scott and Rodwell did talk about expanding the recruitment/scouting team.
Phil did really well with us. I was sad to see him go.,
Having read that very good and balanced article about NJ, it has put me even firmer in 'its a Yes from me camp'. However we can't dilly-dally, let's get him in and let him finish off the transfer window with a few more players, that he wants!
What I took from the article was that where NJ was left to get on with things, as the main man, he has done well. When there were other forces at work, possibly working against NJ's ethos, he hasn't. No real surprise! What concerns me (for whoever we get in) is for the new man to have to work against an SMT who haven't demonstrated a particularly great degree of expertise in what they have achieved so far, as well as lift the team to a higher performance and achievement level. My intuition suggests that the SMT are the type that want to call the shots and take the credit for what goes well and direct the blame towards others for what doesn't, even if their minions are following their instructions to the letter. I think there is far too much power and too little accountability contained in the DoF role, which causes a huge imbalance for the poor sod coaching on the grass. I can understand why the DoF role may provide more stability over a period of time, but when things go wrong, the DoF really should be first out of the door.
He who must not be named (from the other forum) appears to be saying Jones is a done deal
Had my reservations about Jones for reasons that I can’t really understand. Just do. Having said that there are so many of you more knowledgeable than I that seem enthused so on that basis I’m in. I’ll stick my neck out now and say I don’t think it’s going to be him.
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interesting reply from former player
However we can't dilly-dally, let's get him in and let him finish off the transfer window with a few more players, that he wants!
I suspect Mick Harford played a much bigger part than the serial loser though.
He wouldn’t be my first choice, Duff would, but then again to you he’d be a serial loser I suppose. Every manager has failed somewhere, it comes with the territory.
A couple of good results and his "passion" will do it as I am honest enough to admit I am shallow, the reason I go to football is to be over emotional, both in the good & bad times.
It's why I try to avoid the match threads or post threads too soon after the game as I probably won't agree with my own posts 12 hours later.
Interesting take lol
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What concerns me (for whoever we get in) is for the new man to have to work against an SMT who haven't demonstrated a particularly great degree of expertise in what they have achieved so far, as well as lift the team to a higher performance and achievement level.
My intuition suggests that the SMT are the type that want to call the shots and take the credit for what goes well and direct the blame towards others for what doesn't, even if their minions are following their instructions to the letter.
I think there is far too much power and too little accountability contained in the DoF role, which causes a huge imbalance for the poor sod coaching on the grass. I can understand why the DoF role may provide more stability over a period of time, but when things go wrong, the DoF really should be first out of the door.