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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed
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There only be two more players .. max 3 with one or two young players going out , new manager might want a couple of loans , if we have the spacegolfaddick said:so, Nathan Jones gets appointed tomorrow & then we scrabbling around for half a dozen of "his" players before 11pm on Thursday. Great planning guys.
Aneke and Camara ahead of schedule changed our thinking towards the window ..10 -
Seems like a mess, as per usual.
Leaks obviously making things a lot worse because certain board members clearly want their opinion heard loudly.3 -
It is not the fault of having 7 different owners. It is a matter of corporate discipline.
I have no reason to doubt the information being « leaked ». If it happens once (Appletons departure) then you could argue it was specifically a matter of poor corporate discipline.
If it happens twice someone is playing games. No disrespect to those passing it on but you might wish to reflect on why someone is putting this information into the public domain.
Just who exactly does it serve? I spent 40yrs in the corporate world I recognise corporate politics when I see it. Much of it is fair game within the business but putting it in the public domain is quite another matter. Reading across the supposed candidates I can well imagine one or two may not sit well with the current operating disciplines.
Equally there will be different levels of financial package and commitments to each candidate. If one or two executives want to kick a few more tyres before sanctioning the preferred choice of others that is their perfect right.If it is ultimately a matter of performing due diligence then we are all better served. The failure to complete proper due diligence with so many of the business decisions going back to the appointment of Dowie speaks to why we are where we are.
As for Mr Jones the analysis of Mr Harford seems just a little awry.
There is no doubting the latter’s major contribution to Luton but as THE Manager he has featured just twice in the full time managerial role across nearly a 20yr coaching, scouting, recruitment career.
His success at other roles speaks to the rationale & consequence of his longevity in situ.
Did Jones prosper from his support? Did Powell prosper from the work of Chapple? Does recruitment play into any and every managers career? Shall we ask Bowyer, Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden & Appleton as appointment 7 in 4 yrs hoves into view?
Mr Harford’s Managerial Statistics
- Rotherham 2005 for 30 games
- Luton 2008 for 89 games
Mr Harford’s caretaker manager statistics? Across 4 clubs it registers as 41 games - yes including that one 21 game promotion run - all against the 350 games of Mr Jones.
I suggest as a long time No 2 myself (which I found eminently more fun) Mr Harford knows only too well where his talents lay. The guy has, both on and off the field, served the game very well.
The debate over Jones performance is valid but adds little context. Southampton 14 games across Nov 22 to Feb 23, with the mirage of another January transfer window, in the most competitive division in world, hardly resonates as applicable to our circumstances.
Mr Jones has a coaching and structural blue print which has proved successful in League 1, and effective in the Championship. They are the fundamental challenges this club needs to overcome if it is to a) survive b) prosper c) restore itself to former glories.
Right now I will settle for a) & b).29 -
I wonder if the delaying is deliberate so that they don’t have to spend more tomorrow8
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Grapevine49 said:It is not the fault of having 7 different owners. It is a matter of corporate discipline.
I have no reason to doubt the information being « leaked ». If it happens once (Appletons departure) then you could argue it was specifically a matter of poor corporate discipline.
If it happens twice someone is playing games. No disrespect to those passing it on but you might wish to reflect on why someone is putting this information into the public domain.
Just who exactly does it serve? I spent 40yrs in the corporate world I recognise corporate politics when I see it. Much of it is fair game within the business but putting it in the public domain is quite another matter. Reading across the supposed candidates I can well imagine one or two may not sit well with the current operating disciplines.
Equally there will be different levels of financial package and commitments to each candidate. If one or two executives want to kick a few more tyres before sanctioning the preferred choice of others that is their perfect right.If it is ultimately a matter of performing due diligence then we are all better served. The failure to complete proper due diligence with so many of the business decisions going back to the appointment of Dowie speaks to why we are where we are.
As for Mr Jones the analysis of Mr Harford seems just a little awry.
There is no doubting the latter’s major contribution to Luton but as THE Manager he has featured just twice in the full time managerial role across nearly a 20yr coaching, scouting, recruitment career.
His success at other roles speaks to the rationale & consequence of his longevity in situ.
Did Jones prosper from his support? Did Powell prosper from the work of Chapple? Does recruitment play into any and every managers career? Shall we ask Bowyer, Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden & Appleton as appointment 7 in 4 yrs hoves into view?
Mr Harford’s Managerial Statistics
- Rotherham 2005 for 30 games
- Luton 2008 for 89 games
Mr Harford’s caretaker manager statistics? Across 4 clubs it registers as 41 games - yes including that one 21 game promotion run - all against the 350 games of Mr Jones.
I suggest as a long time No 2 myself (which I found eminently more fun) Mr Harford knows only too well where his talents lay. The guy has, both on and off the field, served the game very well.
The debate over Jones performance is valid but adds little context. Southampton 14 games across Nov 22 to Feb 23, with the mirage of another January transfer window, in the most competitive division in world, hardly resonates as applicable to our circumstances.
Mr Jones has a coaching and structural blue print which has proved successful in League 1, and effective in the Championship. They are the fundamental challenges this club needs to overcome if it is to a) survive b) prosper c) restore itself to former glories.
Right now I will settle for a) & b).
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Simple way for it not to look a mess, and that’s not to leak like a sieve, for no good reasonSELR_addicks said:Seems like a mess, as per usual.
Leaks obviously making things a lot worse because certain board members clearly want their opinion heard loudly.5 -
There is a lot of nonsense floating about! Way, way, way too much nonsense!4
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I thought that’s what we were doing!RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Valleyofdreams said:Knew it was too good to be true that we would sign a half decent manager straight away and give ourselves half a chance of getting out of this shit. Jones will get pissed off with waiting for an answer and we will end up with someone like Appleton. Same old Charlton.
To be fair i recall Appleton got off to a reasonable start.
Maybe we'll be a vanguard of modern football and pioneer the "5 game manager" whereby we hire a manager for 5 games, get the new manager bounce then replace them with the next bloke for next 5 games and the bounce and keep repeating the cycle.
Worth a try. Why have one or two football brains a season when we could have ten.0 -
Don’t forget these owners are not like you and I. They are incredibly wealthy - so wealthy in fact they are happy to put money into a business which loses £8m per year. They really won’t be fussed about spending a few 100,000 on players if that’s what’s needed.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the delaying is deliberate so that they don’t have to spend more tomorrow1 -
What do you think the intent of the leak was @DubaiCAFC ? Was it to kibosh any chance of Jones taking the job by leaking that he’s not the choice of the board? Or just needless gossiping?
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Thing is. Football clubs are interesting and lots of people want to know the ins and outs of a ducks arse. I’m told there are even forums for it. That’s why people who might be privy or are privy can’t help themselves but to let their mate or mates in on a bit of inside info. It’s exciting. With the corporate world nobody gives a toss what’s going on in the boardroom or who’s getting sacked or appointed. Long may it continue I say.Grapevine49 said:It is not the fault of having 7 different owners. It is a matter of corporate discipline.
I have no reason to doubt the information being « leaked ». If it happens once (Appletons departure) then you could argue it was specifically a matter of poor corporate discipline.
If it happens twice someone is playing games. No disrespect to those passing it on but you might wish to reflect on why someone is putting this information into the public domain.
Just who exactly does it serve? I spent 40yrs in the corporate world I recognise corporate politics when I see it. Much of it is fair game within the business but putting it in the public domain is quite another matter. Reading across the supposed candidates I can well imagine one or two may not sit well with the current operating disciplines.
Equally there will be different levels of financial package and commitments to each candidate. If one or two executives want to kick a few more tyres before sanctioning the preferred choice of others that is their perfect right.If it is ultimately a matter of performing due diligence then we are all better served. The failure to complete proper due diligence with so many of the business decisions going back to the appointment of Dowie speaks to why we are where we are.
As for Mr Jones the analysis of Mr Harford seems just a little awry.
There is no doubting the latter’s major contribution to Luton but as THE Manager he has featured just twice in the full time managerial role across nearly a 20yr coaching, scouting, recruitment career.
His success at other roles speaks to the rationale & consequence of his longevity in situ.
Did Jones prosper from his support? Did Powell prosper from the work of Chapple? Does recruitment play into any and every managers career? Shall we ask Bowyer, Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden & Appleton as appointment 7 in 4 yrs hoves into view?
Mr Harford’s Managerial Statistics
- Rotherham 2005 for 30 games
- Luton 2008 for 89 games
Mr Harford’s caretaker manager statistics? Across 4 clubs it registers as 41 games - yes including that one 21 game promotion run - all against the 350 games of Mr Jones.
I suggest as a long time No 2 myself (which I found eminently more fun) Mr Harford knows only too well where his talents lay. The guy has, both on and off the field, served the game very well.
The debate over Jones performance is valid but adds little context. Southampton 14 games across Nov 22 to Feb 23, with the mirage of another January transfer window, in the most competitive division in world, hardly resonates as applicable to our circumstances.
Mr Jones has a coaching and structural blue print which has proved successful in League 1, and effective in the Championship. They are the fundamental challenges this club needs to overcome if it is to a) survive b) prosper c) restore itself to former glories.
Right now I will settle for a) & b).2 -
Cawley says “no” when asked if there’s any manager search updates. Jones “yet to have this week’s meet with them though”.0
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Is it done?drawnablank said:There is a lot of nonsense floating about! Way, way, way too much nonsense!1 -
OddsAthletico Charlton said:I am not sure who feeds REAMS and Dubai (assume same person giving info to them both) but find it very odd just how much leaks from this club constantly since this mob took over. It seems incredibly amateur and just causes upset most of the time.
It's a week since Apple's was sacked, we were massively unlikely to have appointed someone by now and no one would be too disappointed, but because of the leaks there is a risk people end up that way.
It's weird and it's unprofessional imo.
Not a dig at people passing info here and elsewhere but a dig at the source of such info.
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Can probably add Hodgson to that list any moment. 😂0
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Speak for yourself.EveshamAddick said:
Don’t forget these owners are not like you and I. They are incredibly wealthy - so wealthy in fact they are happy to put money into a business which loses £8m per year. They really won’t be fussed about spending a few 100,000 on players if that’s what’s needed.The Red Robin said:I wonder if the delaying is deliberate so that they don’t have to spend more tomorrow3 -
It not a mess in fact the recruitment of a manager could be done tomorrow which is very quick .. leaks of people just making stuff up .. don’t honestly think information. Comes out the club so easily.. no .. its all crapSELR_addicks said:Seems like a mess, as per usual.
Leaks obviously making things a lot worse because certain board members clearly want their opinion heard loudly.3 -
Do you need to ask ..Rothko said:What do you think the intent of the leak was @DubaiCAFC ? Was it to kibosh any chance of Jones taking the job by leaking that he’s not the choice of the board? Or just needless gossiping?1 -
yes, frankly. Which is itRonnieMoore said:
Do you need to ask ..Rothko said:What do you think the intent of the leak was @DubaiCAFC ? Was it to kibosh any chance of Jones taking the job by leaking that he’s not the choice of the board? Or just needless gossiping?0 -
Maybe the reason why Jones hasn't been announced as he's taken one look at our squad & laughed. Currently we have a team full of duff defenders & too many non attacking midfielders. Combine that with no wingers I have no clue where the goals are going to come from.colthe3rd said:
Come on now let's not be silly, deals take weeks from start to finish so the idea that anyone coming in after the sacking of Appleton who would have much a say in any transfers is ridiculous thinking. Surely this manager is being appointed based on can you get us out of the shit with this bunch of players and then we'll back you in the summer.golfaddick said:so, Nathan Jones gets appointed tomorrow & then we scrabbling around for half a dozen of "his" players before 11pm on Thursday. Great planning guys.
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I'm disappointed they haven't appointed anyone as yet and if Cawley is correct and Jones has yet to have his planned meeting this week then even more so, suggests no appointment before the weekend.
You would think that any SMT worth their salt on seeing the team not having won for say eight games would start to consider what alternatives are out there should they have to pull the trigger in three, four, five games time. In fact, they should always surely have a constantly evolving list of those who they would be interested in, whether in or out of work. Considering the position we are in then it's imperative they get someone in asap although of course they need to get the right person.
At the moment it just feels to me like they are dragging their heels.8 -
To lower the favourite's salary demand with an inference that we have plenty of other options?Rothko said:What do you think the intent of the leak was @DubaiCAFC ? Was it to kibosh any chance of Jones taking the job by leaking that he’s not the choice of the board? Or just needless gossiping?1 -
If the club were on the point of sacking Appleton on the Saturday then they should have already been talking to managers/agents etc. Not wait until the Wednesday morning & open the desk drawer marked " available managers" and start thumbing through the rolodex looking for their phone numbers.Todds_right_hook said:
Based on? The search for a new manager started last Wednesday. In that time the board would have had to advertise, discard the crap, approach managers, speak to agents, book interviews, reduce the short list, arrange second interviews, make an offer etc.Valleyofdreams said:Knew it was too good to be true that we would sign a half decent manager straight away and give ourselves half a chance of getting out of this shit. Jones will get pissed off with waiting for an answer and we will end up with someone like Appleton. Same old Charlton.
we are 5 working days into the process. Why would jones get pissed off?
realistically, how long would you expect the process to take?
you do realise that katrien didn't really interview 300 managers in 17!minutes.
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No need to advertise. Should already have a shortlist of four/five you would like. Just go get the best of that list that you can. And the search should have started before last Wednesday, he was effectively sacked at the weekend before.Todds_right_hook said:
Based on? The search for a new manager started last Wednesday. In that time the board would have had to advertise, discard the crap, approach managers, speak to agents, book interviews, reduce the short list, arrange second interviews, make an offer etc.Valleyofdreams said:Knew it was too good to be true that we would sign a half decent manager straight away and give ourselves half a chance of getting out of this shit. Jones will get pissed off with waiting for an answer and we will end up with someone like Appleton. Same old Charlton.
we are 5 working days into the process. Why would jones get pissed off?
realistically, how long would you expect the process to take?
you do realise that katrien didn't really interview 300 managers in 17!minutes.2 -
Be a bit pissed off if we havnt got an appointment by the weekend and also if we havnt got any more signings before the deadline, feels like a missed opportunity to get some momentum going in to Saturday.8
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Imagine being an aspiring manager for a team and checking their fan forums to gauge the feeling of the club, anyone would take one look on here and think fuck that!7
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Spot on. Any half decent club has a list of head coaches they want. The next head coach should have been in the day after Appleton was sacked.LargeAddick said:I'm disappointed they haven't appointed anyone as yet and if Cawley is correct and Jones has yet to have his planned meeting this week then even more so, suggests no appointment before the weekend.
You would think that any SMT worth their salt on seeing the team not having won for say eight games would start to consider what alternatives are out there should they have to pull the trigger in three, four, five games time. In fact, they should always surely have a constantly evolving list of those who they would be interested in, whether in or out of work. Considering the position we are in then it's imperative they get someone in asap although of course they need to get the right person.
At the moment it just feels to me like they are dragging their heels.4 -
Be a pretty good pub quiz question. Not sure how many teams have not had a first team manager / head coach at the end of both transfer windows from the same season.5
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Why would he bother going for 2 interviews if that was the case? More likely would be that after meeting the SMT he's thought you're a bunch of clowns fuck this. Charlie can then leak to his mates that Jones wasn't their first choice anyway.golfaddick said:
Maybe the reason why Jones hasn't been announced as he's taken one look at our squad & laughed. Currently we have a team full of duff defenders & too many non attacking midfielders. Combine that with no wingers I have no clue where the goals are going to come from.colthe3rd said:
Come on now let's not be silly, deals take weeks from start to finish so the idea that anyone coming in after the sacking of Appleton who would have much a say in any transfers is ridiculous thinking. Surely this manager is being appointed based on can you get us out of the shit with this bunch of players and then we'll back you in the summer.golfaddick said:so, Nathan Jones gets appointed tomorrow & then we scrabbling around for half a dozen of "his" players before 11pm on Thursday. Great planning guys.
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This interview carry on is a nonsense.
It's football. You've seen their record. Spend the poxy money and bring in the best.
I hear Appleton interviewed well.
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