RIP House of Commoners group

cantersaddick said:

Can I just throw the word boomer into the thread and see what happens.

Nice bit of bread that 😎

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Algarveaddick said:

swordfish said:

Algarveaddick said:

Those who moaned the loudest were those who wouldn't accept evidence that contradicted their world view, no matter how much it it stacked up. 

If people who presented opinion as fact, people who pretended those with an opposing view had said something they clearly hadn't and people who made stuff up to "back up" their opinion had been stopped from doing so, it would have been better. 

Sadly they are not used to their opinion being contradicted because of the media they consume (although they often lied about that too).

It was nice to have a platform to contradict the bullshit that many people believe without question. For me, it was never about persuading the entrenched to change their minds, it was about showing the neutral where and why the entrenched were wrong. 

Were there really many neutrals looking into the HoC thread on CL with an open mind in the first place though? I didn't sense that. Those with intransigent views, at both ends of the spectrum btw, were far more dominant and frequent contributors to it.

If it opened one person's eyes to how they were being hoodwinked, it was worth it, Swordfish.   

It was certainly the case for me, as I was staunchly Tory for most of my life. My eyes have been opened now and my views are completely different. 

But you can do that in life, you dont need a one sided forum to tell you that.

I enjoyed the HoC, if you don't enjoy it  then why go into it? It seems that it's those who can't justify their views that want it closed down. 

I was frequently ridiculed on the Covid threads,  but added links to reputable sources to justify my posts. 

I can't see why those of us  who do enjoy political discussions should be penalised by those whose main aim is to shut down political debate. 

People did justify their views though. The almighty didn't like them as it put to bed their biased and ill gained views and then the gang culture took over, Its quite arrogant to suggest ones views are the gold mantra which has already been suggested today.

Look at the crap i got for supporting Farage but all those wont tune into his show as he dispels their opinion in an instant.

You and I started pretty much from the same position i.e. we both voted to leave the EU. It's something I have come to very much regret and I realise how much the truth can be distorted. Everything I have since read/heard from numerous sources, has lead me to the conclusion that leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK and that we were sold a pack of lies.

As Nigel Farage was the biggest advocate for leaving the EU and therefore was one of those who sold us those lies, I don't feel inclined to tune into his show.

The problem is not leaving the EU but the way "the Remainer Elite" have conspired to mess it up since rather than seize the potential freedom offered by it.

However we'd better leave it there and agree to differ.

The HoC was toxic and there's no other way to describe it. 

A bunch of angry people arguing with other angry people about who thought Boris Johnson was the most evil. 

It got to the point where it didn't need someone with an opposing view to make them froth at the mouth, just a moderated or balanced view. The irony of people getting upset about being called anti semitic when the ultimate "gotcha" was declaring people racist at every possible turn, is as laughable as it is idiotic. 

Having said all that, it probably made those people happy in the short term, even if it fills them with hate against some mythical fascist bogeyman coming to take their first born. If having it there means that it can be insisted that the usual suspects stop doing it on the main forum, let them swim in their hatefilled, angry cesspool.

Misery loves company. 

LenGlover said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Algarveaddick said:

swordfish said:

Algarveaddick said:

Those who moaned the loudest were those who wouldn't accept evidence that contradicted their world view, no matter how much it it stacked up. 

If people who presented opinion as fact, people who pretended those with an opposing view had said something they clearly hadn't and people who made stuff up to "back up" their opinion had been stopped from doing so, it would have been better. 

Sadly they are not used to their opinion being contradicted because of the media they consume (although they often lied about that too).

It was nice to have a platform to contradict the bullshit that many people believe without question. For me, it was never about persuading the entrenched to change their minds, it was about showing the neutral where and why the entrenched were wrong. 

Were there really many neutrals looking into the HoC thread on CL with an open mind in the first place though? I didn't sense that. Those with intransigent views, at both ends of the spectrum btw, were far more dominant and frequent contributors to it.

If it opened one person's eyes to how they were being hoodwinked, it was worth it, Swordfish.   

It was certainly the case for me, as I was staunchly Tory for most of my life. My eyes have been opened now and my views are completely different. 

But you can do that in life, you dont need a one sided forum to tell you that.

I enjoyed the HoC, if you don't enjoy it  then why go into it? It seems that it's those who can't justify their views that want it closed down. 

I was frequently ridiculed on the Covid threads,  but added links to reputable sources to justify my posts. 

I can't see why those of us  who do enjoy political discussions should be penalised by those whose main aim is to shut down political debate. 

People did justify their views though. The almighty didn't like them as it put to bed their biased and ill gained views and then the gang culture took over, Its quite arrogant to suggest ones views are the gold mantra which has already been suggested today.

Look at the crap i got for supporting Farage but all those wont tune into his show as he dispels their opinion in an instant.

You and I started pretty much from the same position i.e. we both voted to leave the EU. It's something I have come to very much regret and I realise how much the truth can be distorted. Everything I have since read/heard from numerous sources, has lead me to the conclusion that leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK and that we were sold a pack of lies.

As Nigel Farage was the biggest advocate for leaving the EU and therefore was one of those who sold us those lies, I don't feel inclined to tune into his show.

The problem is not leaving the EU but the way "the Remainer Elite" have conspired to mess it up since rather than seize the potential freedom offered by it.

However we'd better leave it there and agree to differ.

Out of interest it would be interesting to know how you think they messed it up? We've had a majority Tory Government in power for the last 4 years, that was elected on the back of an 'oven ready deal'. How have the 'liberal elite' messed it up and what did you actually want out of leaving the EU that you haven't got?

SporadicAddick said:

ME14addick said:

LenGlover said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Algarveaddick said:

swordfish said:

Algarveaddick said:

Those who moaned the loudest were those who wouldn't accept evidence that contradicted their world view, no matter how much it it stacked up. 

If people who presented opinion as fact, people who pretended those with an opposing view had said something they clearly hadn't and people who made stuff up to "back up" their opinion had been stopped from doing so, it would have been better. 

Sadly they are not used to their opinion being contradicted because of the media they consume (although they often lied about that too).

It was nice to have a platform to contradict the bullshit that many people believe without question. For me, it was never about persuading the entrenched to change their minds, it was about showing the neutral where and why the entrenched were wrong. 

Were there really many neutrals looking into the HoC thread on CL with an open mind in the first place though? I didn't sense that. Those with intransigent views, at both ends of the spectrum btw, were far more dominant and frequent contributors to it.

If it opened one person's eyes to how they were being hoodwinked, it was worth it, Swordfish.   

It was certainly the case for me, as I was staunchly Tory for most of my life. My eyes have been opened now and my views are completely different. 

But you can do that in life, you dont need a one sided forum to tell you that.

I enjoyed the HoC, if you don't enjoy it  then why go into it? It seems that it's those who can't justify their views that want it closed down. 

I was frequently ridiculed on the Covid threads,  but added links to reputable sources to justify my posts. 

I can't see why those of us  who do enjoy political discussions should be penalised by those whose main aim is to shut down political debate. 

People did justify their views though. The almighty didn't like them as it put to bed their biased and ill gained views and then the gang culture took over, Its quite arrogant to suggest ones views are the gold mantra which has already been suggested today.

Look at the crap i got for supporting Farage but all those wont tune into his show as he dispels their opinion in an instant.

You and I started pretty much from the same position i.e. we both voted to leave the EU. It's something I have come to very much regret and I realise how much the truth can be distorted. Everything I have since read/heard from numerous sources, has lead me to the conclusion that leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK and that we were sold a pack of lies.

As Nigel Farage was the biggest advocate for leaving the EU and therefore was one of those who sold us those lies, I don't feel inclined to tune into his show.

The problem is not leaving the EU but the way "the Remainer Elite" have conspired to mess it up since rather than seize the potential freedom offered by it.

However we'd better leave it there and agree to differ.

Out of interest it would be interesting to know how you think they messed it up? We've had a majority Tory Government in power for the last 4 years, that was elected on the back of an 'oven ready deal'. How have the 'liberal elite' messed it up and what did you actually want out of leaving the EU that you haven't got?

If only there were a forum for such debates...

Yes, if only there were.

If someone is going to make a statement then they need to be able to back it up with facts, the fact that some couldn't do that was a big part of the problem. 

LenGlover said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Chippycafc said:

ME14addick said:

Algarveaddick said:

swordfish said:

Algarveaddick said:

Those who moaned the loudest were those who wouldn't accept evidence that contradicted their world view, no matter how much it it stacked up. 

If people who presented opinion as fact, people who pretended those with an opposing view had said something they clearly hadn't and people who made stuff up to "back up" their opinion had been stopped from doing so, it would have been better. 

Sadly they are not used to their opinion being contradicted because of the media they consume (although they often lied about that too).

It was nice to have a platform to contradict the bullshit that many people believe without question. For me, it was never about persuading the entrenched to change their minds, it was about showing the neutral where and why the entrenched were wrong. 

Were there really many neutrals looking into the HoC thread on CL with an open mind in the first place though? I didn't sense that. Those with intransigent views, at both ends of the spectrum btw, were far more dominant and frequent contributors to it.

If it opened one person's eyes to how they were being hoodwinked, it was worth it, Swordfish.   

It was certainly the case for me, as I was staunchly Tory for most of my life. My eyes have been opened now and my views are completely different. 

But you can do that in life, you dont need a one sided forum to tell you that.

I enjoyed the HoC, if you don't enjoy it  then why go into it? It seems that it's those who can't justify their views that want it closed down. 

I was frequently ridiculed on the Covid threads,  but added links to reputable sources to justify my posts. 

I can't see why those of us  who do enjoy political discussions should be penalised by those whose main aim is to shut down political debate. 

People did justify their views though. The almighty didn't like them as it put to bed their biased and ill gained views and then the gang culture took over, Its quite arrogant to suggest ones views are the gold mantra which has already been suggested today.

Look at the crap i got for supporting Farage but all those wont tune into his show as he dispels their opinion in an instant.

You and I started pretty much from the same position i.e. we both voted to leave the EU. It's something I have come to very much regret and I realise how much the truth can be distorted. Everything I have since read/heard from numerous sources, has lead me to the conclusion that leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK and that we were sold a pack of lies.

As Nigel Farage was the biggest advocate for leaving the EU and therefore was one of those who sold us those lies, I don't feel inclined to tune into his show.

The problem is not leaving the EU but the way "the Remainer Elite" have conspired to mess it up since rather than seize the potential freedom offered by it.

However we'd better leave it there and agree to differ.

That’s a widely used argument Len but it has been the Conservative government that called the referendum and since the vote have installed a succession of Brexit advocating Prime Ministers and filled the cabinet with ERG ministers. Quite how or where a “remainer elite” have been able to influence what’s gone on since 2016 is beyond me. The fact of the matter I’d argue is that all the project fear pigeons have come home to roost. You were warned but chose to believe people like Johnson and Mogg. There is no remainer elite just a sad rump of Brexit politicians still trying to convince people black is white. 

It occurred to me while posting the above that this is a perfect opportunity for those of us advocating the re opening of HoC that we can behave like adults and not resort to the type of posts that got it shut down. There are already several flirting with that above. Come on. Let’s make a point. 

seth plum said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I don't think there would be grey areas. I can say your views are wrong IMO but I can't call you a fascist or an anti semite or even an idiot or similar word. I can't tell you to stop posting or imply you are a winker like some did to Seth. Just ignore him or disagree him if you don't like what he is saying. Sorry to highlight Seth, I am using him to make a general point.

I have complained twice about being directly called Anti Semitic, the person in question declared they didn’t have to supply any evidence for the accusation, and then repeated the accusation a couple of months later.
My complaint didn’t trouble the moderators, I suspect because my attacker is a well known and long established poster on Charlton life.
The person in question, if they are reading this, knows full well who they are, and anyway the accusation is totally ridiculous.
However that public accusation still rankles big time.
When something like that is allowed to ride (and fester) it is the kind of thing that leads to the Urban Myths, and the wrong assumption that it must be me that got the HoC closed down.

Yup did it to me too.  I just ignore the scrote.