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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,333
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
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    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
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    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    "100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did" 

    "He did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same"

    At best you're treading a fine line between support/understanding. 
    There's a huge gap between supporting and understanding.
    Ok, defending. 
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    Lyle Taylor is definitely not worth our own supporters getting into an argument over.

    For my 2 penneth he's the definition of a journeyman footballer who hit a purple patch for a few seasons (mainly with us) which resulted in him blagging a big payday. He'll be remembered by many for downing tools in the midst of his team's fight against relegation rather than what he achieved on the pitch.
  • YTS1978
    YTS1978 Posts: 1,697
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
    Taylor sat on his arse doing nothing for 2yrs at forest too tbf. Not slagging either of them off for that. Forest gave them the contracts. Honour them or pay them off. It's different to Taylor's situation with us.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,458
    edited April 2024
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    The thing is, where does it all end?
    Let’s just take this to the extreme example…….just supposing Forest had tapped-up Taylor at the beginning of that season and said we are going to sign you for next season at the end of this season when your contract expires.
    He could have said right I’m not playing for Charlton at all, maybe even trained with Forest to keep fit into the bargain.
    As I say, it’s an extreme example of what (following his line of action/thinking), could happen with I assume little or no recourse.
    So, where could this all end up if players are prepared to pull the plug whenever they choose!
    By the way……as a side issue, who amongst us thinks there’s some mileage in the thought that Taylor feigned injury to avoid playing us in the knowledge that he was going to get 1400 away Addicks giving him absolute dogs abuse.
    My take is that the snake simply bottled it. 🪱
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,669
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?  

    It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf.  Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires?   I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse.  I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.   

    Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do.  The chances of serious injury? Negligible.  

    Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.


  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 844
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    "100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did" 

    "He did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same"

    At best you're treading a fine line between support/understanding. 
    There's a huge gap between supporting and understanding.
    Ok, defending. 
    How is it defending when i say he was in the wrong, make it make sense.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,008
    When in the public eye, perhaps it is best to keep your thoughts to yourself even though your viewpoint may be valid.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,262
    Radostanradical said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    So imagine it is 2020 again. Lyle 6 months on his contract, not renewing as he has a life changing offer from Forest.  Only difference is that COVID never happens. 

    Would he have continued to play to the end of the season then?  There would have been just the same chance of injury.  Why did COVID change that?  It was just a convenient excuse wasn't it?

    I know why he chose what he chose, doesn't make it right.  Hundreds of players run their contracts down each season and play hard through to the very last game. He didn't because he is a gutless prick. That's all 
    Is Solly gutless to then ?

    A fair question.  Solly had a history of bad injuries which had already limited his career so that is a different set of facts in that regard. 
    In reality I never really understood why he did what he did. He didn't have a contract to protect at another club (ended up in non league); would likely not have played again for us anyway as Bowyer had clearly moved on from him.  He didn't really need to make a decision. 
    It was such an odd choice by him and never coming out and explaining it was, and remains, strange to me.
    He was a Charlton legend in my opinion, one club man, local lad through the academy who gave his knees for the club as said above and would have always been welcome back plus likely been employed by us after his career. He has blown all of that.  I am more forgiving of him given his background but wouldn't particularly welcome him back working for us in the future.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,599
    cafcdave123 said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Swisdom said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    Solly gets a pass because he gave us many years, he wasn't a match winner, he wasn't playing regularly at the time and he had been told he wasn't getting renewed.  Very different scenario from Lyle
    Sure that's why Solly gets a pass. Lyle Taylor fired us to the championship then turned his back on us, we don't like him because of it but I don't understand why people cant understand why did it.

     I can understand them not playing the games after their contracts were up but the cockroaches refused to play games they were contracted for 
    Precisely.

    If every soon to be out of contract player did this with a month of the season left we'd never be able to put a team out. Imagine Hector, Thomas, Dobson, Ramsey & Wickham all decided last month that they weren't going to play again just in case they got injured. 
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  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    How things has changed from starting big school for Taylor. Got a feeling he will call it quits in the summer. Not sure he will want the effort of having to trial at League 2/Non-league clubs in the summer.
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,579
    You reap what you sow.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 844
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?  

    It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf.  Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires?   I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse.  I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.   

    Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do.  The chances of serious injury? Negligible.  

    Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.


    What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.

    He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.

    Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?  
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 844
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    So imagine it is 2020 again. Lyle 6 months on his contract, not renewing as he has a life changing offer from Forest.  Only difference is that COVID never happens. 

    Would he have continued to play to the end of the season then?  There would have been just the same chance of injury.  Why did COVID change that?  It was just a convenient excuse wasn't it?

    I know why he chose what he chose, doesn't make it right.  Hundreds of players run their contracts down each season and play hard through to the very last game. He didn't because he is a gutless prick. That's all 
    Is Solly gutless to then ?

    A fair question.  Solly had a history of bad injuries which had already limited his career so that is a different set of facts in that regard. 
    In reality I never really understood why he did what he did. He didn't have a contract to protect at another club (ended up in non league); would likely not have played again for us anyway as Bowyer had clearly moved on from him.  He didn't really need to make a decision. 
    It was such an odd choice by him and never coming out and explaining it was, and remains, strange to me.
    He was a Charlton legend in my opinion, one club man, local lad through the academy who gave his knees for the club as said above and would have always been welcome back plus likely been employed by us after his career. He has blown all of that.  I am more forgiving of him given his background but wouldn't particularly welcome him back working for us in the future.
    A fair summary of the events surrounding Solly, though using that logic applied (which i agree is correct) if one removed any bias from the situation one could reasonably see why Taylor had a greater incentive to refuse to play compared to Solly ?
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,873
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
    One of the reasons for that is…..Harry Arter doesn’t play for us 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,543
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
    Not the same though is it. As far as I’m aware he’s not refusing to play for Forest.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    Swisdom said:
    se9addick said:
    He’s going to wake up one day and realise he’s wasted his career. He’s the opposite of Bonne in many ways. I’m astonished Bonne has made a career as a professional footballer despite having no real talent or attributes. Taylor has wasted the talent and attributes he has and not achieved nearly as much as he could of. 
    Has he wasted it?  Realistically he was a bit of a journeyman player who had a great spell with us and then went off and earned a couple of million at Nottingham Forest meaning he probably doesn't need to work again for a while.
    BUT he's opinionated and pretty erudite so I fully expect him to be on Talksport in the future winding people up and generating calls and income for them.
    If all he wanted from football was money, then you'd have to say he didn't waste his career.

    I'm sure some footballers want a little bit more than that. Like to be remembered with at least an ounce of fondness.
    I think that's a more philosophical question though ? it's about ability though IMO, If iwas a league 1 player i would constantly be looking for the best deal as the fans wont pay my kids needs 10 years after i retire. However if i was premier league player i can afford the luxury of being revered.
    Being remembered with an ounce of fondness is a luxury...? Can't agree with that. We've had plenty of players move on to better pastures who would be welcomed back on Charlton TV for instance. All you have to do is not be a snake. 
    100% its a luxury, if he did break his leg in the matches after Covid and never played again were you going to feed his kids ? I doubt it. I understand why he did what he did but that doesn't mean I like. Lyle Taylor (just like Chris Solly, yet he seems to get a pass. I know he wasnt playing but its still the same principle) did what was right for Lyle Taylor and if i was in his position and I played for a team (or worked for a company) I didnt care about id do the same and so would 99% of people here for a life changing move, id also understand why fans (or people who worked for that business who think i left them in the lurch)  would dislike me but id have to take it on the chin.
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
     In the circumstances ? :D:D:D
    So you can understand somebody breaking his contract which of course he was very happy to sign ? You can understand somebody breaking his contract while the club paid his salary for months after he came back injured when he disappeared to play an international game for some tin pot country? You can understand somebody still claiming his salary while going on strike ?

    I'm glad I don't have your understanding.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Harry Arter does not receive much criticism here and he's not budging on his Forest contract, and barely kicking a ball.
    WTF !!! This isn't a Forest forum & in any case he's not refusing to play.
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  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    edited April 2024
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?  

    It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf.  Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires?   I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse.  I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.   

    Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do.  The chances of serious injury? Negligible.  

    Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.


    What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.

    He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.

    Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?  
    Dear oh dear, while out on your run (should you be running ? be careful you don't injure yourself) just engage your brain, he was contracted to play football until 30th June. This he refused to do, he went on strike, he's a piece of shit but you understand why.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,569
    Had the snake signed a pre contract much like Dobson and he got injured would he be entitled to his wages from Forest when the time came to swap clubs?
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,262
    edited April 2024
    Radostanradical said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    So imagine it is 2020 again. Lyle 6 months on his contract, not renewing as he has a life changing offer from Forest.  Only difference is that COVID never happens. 

    Would he have continued to play to the end of the season then?  There would have been just the same chance of injury.  Why did COVID change that?  It was just a convenient excuse wasn't it?

    I know why he chose what he chose, doesn't make it right.  Hundreds of players run their contracts down each season and play hard through to the very last game. He didn't because he is a gutless prick. That's all 
    Is Solly gutless to then ?

    A fair question.  Solly had a history of bad injuries which had already limited his career so that is a different set of facts in that regard. 
    In reality I never really understood why he did what he did. He didn't have a contract to protect at another club (ended up in non league); would likely not have played again for us anyway as Bowyer had clearly moved on from him.  He didn't really need to make a decision. 
    It was such an odd choice by him and never coming out and explaining it was, and remains, strange to me.
    He was a Charlton legend in my opinion, one club man, local lad through the academy who gave his knees for the club as said above and would have always been welcome back plus likely been employed by us after his career. He has blown all of that.  I am more forgiving of him given his background but wouldn't particularly welcome him back working for us in the future.
    A fair summary of the events surrounding Solly, though using that logic applied (which i agree is correct) if one removed any bias from the situation one could reasonably see why Taylor had a greater incentive to refuse to play compared to Solly ?

    Well of course Taylor had a greater incentive not to play than Solly.  But I don't think there is a single Charlton fan that doesn't get that Taylor refused to play because of the Forest money/contract.  
    It is just most fans don't agree with that stance and think he is a gutless prick who used COVID as a convenient excuse.
    In reality I THINK you are saying the same thing, it's just you are using the word "understand" (where I am using "get"), which when written can have different inferences so the argument is over nothing.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,599
    edited April 2024
    charltonbob said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Chunes said:
    I honestly really, really struggle to understand any Charlton fan who can empathise with Lyle Taylor's actions. It's one thing to know that money has sucked the soul out of the game and it's another support the worst parts of those changes. When your star player can refuse to play in your relegation battle because he's worried he might break a leg before his next big increase? People start supporting that type of behaviour and saying it's OK, and I have to wonder how much worse football can get...

    Whos supporting ? read what i actually wrote not what you wish i wrote. I specifically state that I dont support just that i can understand it in the circumstances.
    I assume you'd understand if nurses and doctors refused to work in the pandemic then?  

    It makes me wanna weep when I think of the risks those people took on our behalf.  Perhaps soldiers should duck out of troubled areas or firemen stop attending fires?   I mean, these are dangerous tasks with a real risk of injury or worse.  I assume they do it out of a sense of duty, honour and commitment to their public, their team members and to themselves.   

    Lyle Taylor was asked to play a couple of games of football ffs - as he was contracted to do - as he was more than handsomely rewarded to do.  The chances of serious injury? Negligible.  

    Lyle Taylor may have a smart line in old chat, but thankfully he doesn't fool too many people.
    What an utterly bizarre view of things you have ? We are talking about a footballer who refused to play because the season have extended beyond its normal course. Ok i'll play along in this fantasy, yes i would understand if they refused to do their job, who wouldnt you just named all the threats they face ? thankfully nurses, doctors and fire brigade rarely refuse to work.

    He hasnt fooled me either ive just applied my own thoughts and can understand why he did it however I dont agree with them.

    Before i head out on a run are there any more hypothetical scenarios you would like to compare how about knights slaying dragons ? Avengers fighting Thanos ? Santa refusing to work ?  
    Dear oh dear, while out on your run (should you be running ? be careful you don't injure yourself) just engage your brain, he was contracted to play football until 30th June. This he refused to do, he went on strike, he's a piece of shit but you understand why.
    I wouldn't bother. Some people just don't get it. It's been said so many times on here it hurts. We all know what he did. He knows what he did. And now other fans are starting to realise that he has little regard for what's right or wrong. 
  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,422
    edited April 2024
    The guy is an a class ‘c***! That’s it. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    edited April 2024
    robroy said:
    The guy is an a class ‘c***! That’s it. 
    Have to say I've never come across (excuse the pun) a c**t I didn't like, he's more a piece of dog shit on the bottom of my shoe after walking across my brand new white carpet. 
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    Snake deserves everything he gets from Cambridge fans. I wasn’t too fussed about him not playing but it was when he was calling us a clown club and goading our fans on insta that pissed me off, he’s a prick! 
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    Callumcafc said:
    Awwwww diddums



    I make the prick right on this.  Many modern football fans are proper tarts dishing it out from the safety of the stands then crying on social media when a player responds in kind.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Don't know if I missed this but why were the Cambridge fans calling him a wanker in the first place ?

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