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Charlton squad out of contract for next season - who to keep?
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We don’t really need squad player signings though, we’ve got a lot of players under contract so the priority will surely be players who we expect to be starters.ShootersHillGuru said:I saw enough in Fiorini at Wycombe to give him a deal. Won’t cost much given his lack of games over the last two seasons. Highly thought of at Man City and has a point to prove.7 -
Not surprised Chin is going , will probably get a NL/NLS deal quite comfortably. Williams was very highly rated but seems to just be constantly injured.0
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I’m not convinced that given a good pre season and luck with injuries he wouldn’t be very much not considered to be a starter.Scoham said:
We don’t really need squad player signings though, we’ve got a lot of players under contract so the priority will surely be players who we expect to be starters.ShootersHillGuru said:I saw enough in Fiorini at Wycombe to give him a deal. Won’t cost much given his lack of games over the last two seasons. Highly thought of at Man City and has a point to prove.0 -
Agree. People have mentioned recently keeping the likes of Terrell Thomas as he would be a good peripheral squad player. But for me, that's just not good enough.Scoham said:
We don’t really need squad player signings though, we’ve got a lot of players under contract so the priority will surely be players who we expect to be starters.ShootersHillGuru said:I saw enough in Fiorini at Wycombe to give him a deal. Won’t cost much given his lack of games over the last two seasons. Highly thought of at Man City and has a point to prove.
EVERY player in the first team squad should have enough quality to compete and hold down a first team berth. Not just a mediocre stop gap to fill in when the first choice can't play. And that's where I see the likes of Thomas.
So if this mob are truly serious, then players of Terrell Thomas's ilk should be avoided in harsh reality.3 -
He's been here since Jan and played 45 mins, 16 mins and 14 mins. I hope it's not that easy to get a contract here.ShootersHillGuru said:I saw enough in Fiorini at Wycombe to give him a deal. Won’t cost much given his lack of games over the last two seasons. Highly thought of at Man City and has a point to prove.
No chance he's staying.12 -
Agreed. Of those still in bold, I've not seen anything to convince me that Asiimwe, Ness, Gillesphey, Coventry, Anderson, Campbell or AMB can maintain consistent positive impact across a 46 game season. I'm even in 2 minds about L Jones and Chuks. So if Jones sells them, fine with that call.Croydon said:
Seeing those names in bold really hammers home that we need the rebuild of all rebuilds to anywhere near challenging.Pavoren007 said:Thierry Small Keep
Tyreeq Bakinson Release
Connor Wickham Release - undoubted capability riddled by injury
Michael Hector Release - cannot trust his performance levels will not drop off should he sign a contract
Panutche Camara Release
Terell Thomas Release
Lewis Ward Keep as 3rd
Lucas Ness Kept
George Dobson Sadly gone
Jack Payne Release
Diallang Jaiyesimi Release
Richard Chin Release
Scott Fraser Release/Sell
Harry Isted Release/Sell
Tennai Watson Release/Sell
Louis Watson Release
Fiorini (don’t know his first name 🤣) Release
Ladapo Release
LuaLua Release
Terry Taylor Release/Sell (clearly NJ does not fancy him)
Tayo Edun Release/Sell
McLovehandles Release/Sell
We are going to have a proper clear out 19 to leave, 10-11 signed and the squad trimmed as NJ wants.So, I think we will have:
AMB 2nd choice
Ward 3rd choice
Ramsay
Asiimwe
Small
REG
Ness
Jones
Gillesphy
Coventry
Anderson
T Campbell
May
Kanu
Leaburn
Aneke
I reckon 1x GK, 2 x CB, 1 x LB or LWB, 3 x CM/CDM, 2 x CAMs, 1 x Winger (who can play both sides) and 1 x STR - proper focus on quality… 🙏🙏🙏
Most are OK, but unless Jones can get a better tune out of these 'ok' players, there's not enough match-winners or clean sheet keepers, just a bunch of 'ok'.
Of the out of contract players, Small and Wickham (Dobbo aside) are the only ones I'd keep.2 -
Jones to speak to the out of contract players by mid week. Hopefully that means the club will publish the released and retained list by the end of week.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/charlton-athletic-players-set-to-learn-fate-this-week-manager-nathan-jones/
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I wonder if any players find themselves being told they are not wanted when they assume they are?
Given the season as a whole no one should be that assured but I do wonder if any are under a false assumption.1 -
I don’t think any such assumptions are being made tbh. I don’t want to share who, but know players who want to stay, are under contract for one or more years still, but they are not sure what will happen and are hoping for the best come Wednesday.valleynick66 said:I wonder if any players find themselves being told they are not wanted when they assume they are?
Given the season as a whole no one should be that assured but I do wonder if any are under a false assumption.I think there will be an initial release list, but also expect one or two sales. NJ is not a man who wants to f**k around and nor do the owners imho. If this is to be the moment, tough decisions before right decisions need to be made.2 -
Thanks. I guess it’s good overall that players feel they need to prove themselves to NJ and no one can coast. I sense (but don’t know) in previous years sone have sat tight with no threat.Pavoren007 said:
I don’t think any such assumptions are being made tbh. I don’t want to share who, but know players who want to stay, are under contract for one or more years still, but they are not sure what will happen and are hoping for the best come Wednesday.valleynick66 said:I wonder if any players find themselves being told they are not wanted when they assume they are?
Given the season as a whole no one should be that assured but I do wonder if any are under a false assumption.I think there will be an initial release list, but also expect one or two sales. NJ is not a man who wants to f**k around and nor do the owners imho. If this is to be the moment, tough decisions before right decisions need to be made.0 -
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Plus there will be out of contract players offered a deal on Wednesday who might turn it down, it's not a one way process.Pavoren007 said:
I don’t think any such assumptions are being made tbh. I don’t want to share who, but know players who want to stay, are under contract for one or more years still, but they are not sure what will happen and are hoping for the best come Wednesday.valleynick66 said:I wonder if any players find themselves being told they are not wanted when they assume they are?
Given the season as a whole no one should be that assured but I do wonder if any are under a false assumption.I think there will be an initial release list, but also expect one or two sales. NJ is not a man who wants to f**k around and nor do the owners imho. If this is to be the moment, tough decisions before right decisions need to be made.
The difficulty will be with players who are still under contract for next season, but NJ doesn't want. Can we get rid of Scott Fraser for example without having to subsidise a loan move?2 -
Just get him to run 10k every day for the first 2 weeks of preseason and the pasty Sweaty will be begging to be releasedkillerandflash said:
Plus there will be out of contract players offered a deal on Wednesday who might turn it down, it's not a one way process.Pavoren007 said:
I don’t think any such assumptions are being made tbh. I don’t want to share who, but know players who want to stay, are under contract for one or more years still, but they are not sure what will happen and are hoping for the best come Wednesday.valleynick66 said:I wonder if any players find themselves being told they are not wanted when they assume they are?
Given the season as a whole no one should be that assured but I do wonder if any are under a false assumption.I think there will be an initial release list, but also expect one or two sales. NJ is not a man who wants to f**k around and nor do the owners imho. If this is to be the moment, tough decisions before right decisions need to be made.
The difficulty will be with players who are still under contract for next season, but NJ doesn't want. Can we get rid of Scott Fraser for example without having to subsidise a loan move?0 -
Was told many of the victorious U21 team are being released, mainly the older ones who have yet to break through ie Bakrin, Santos.
Always a shame to see young players go but hopefully all can have decent careers at a lower or even the same level.
Good luck, lads.16 -
Its easy, lay out 40 or so chairs (one for each player we have in the squad) play music then gradually reduce the number of chairs until we have just three groups of 8 chair's (gradually lifting them higher to take it more tricky for the more unfit/lazy ones (giving Alfie a stool first) turn off the music and let them fight it out. A few will fall over, more will forget what they are trying to do, some will miss. The last 24 sitting down is your squad. Bingo!! (or that game could be an alternative method).0
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Santos will be an interesting one. Whenever I've seen him he's always looked technically decent, and is a good free kick taker. At the moment though looks a long way off in terms of strength and physicality.Henry Irving said:Was told many of the victorious U21 team are being released, mainly the older ones who have yet to break through ie Bakrin, Santos.
Always a shame to see young players go but hopefully all can have decent careers at a lower or even the same level.
Good luck, lads.
Could be really beneficial for him to have a couple of years in the National League North/South playing regularly.0 -
Is that not how our squad has been picked for the last few seasons?Hal1x said:Its easy, lay out 40 or so chairs (one for each player we have in the squad) play music then gradually reduce the number of chairs until we have just three groups of 8 chair's (gradually lifting them higher to take it more tricky for the more unfit/lazy ones (giving Alfie a stool first) turn off the music and let them fight it out. A few will fall over, more will forget what they are trying to do, some will miss. The last 24 sitting down is your squad. Bingo!! (or that game could be an alternative method).
Feels like it.0 -
Noticed this from a Luton fan9 -
Henry Irving said:Was told many of the victorious U21 team are being released, mainly the older ones who have yet to break through ie Bakrin, Santos.
Always a shame to see young players go but hopefully all can have decent careers at a lower or even the same level.
Good luck, lads.
Doesn't surprise me, Santos, Bakrin, Chin, Williams, Toure and the like would have had more chances with us if we thought they had a chance.
Always sad when a kid is moved on and I hope those that do get good gigs elsewhere. Felt we were a bit top heavy in that department this year. I wonder if Ladapo and Adigun are offered anything.
Means there will be space in the U21s for the graduating U18s, for first teamers coming back from injury and maybe for 1 or 2 Jamaican/Vietnamese punts given our owners and tie ups...1 -
The number we bring in will be in direct relation to the number we can move on. Too many who are not good enough are under contract for next season. We cannot expect and it's not financially viable to run a first team squad of 30-plus players. Edun, Gillesphey, Lloyd Jones, Ness, AMB, Isted, Fraser, Taylor, and McGrandles are all surplus to requirements IMO. I also see no place for LuaLua or Bakinson in the squad, and other loan players - Fiorini, Watson (L), Ladapo, and Camara can all go back as far as I'm concerned.
Only once we have got rid of these can we bring in better players and make judgements on Wickham, Campbell (T), Hector, and any others that are out of contract - Thomas, Ward, Jaiyesimi, Payne, Chin.
If we have a mega summer, then all the above will disappear into The Valliant 1000 and never be seen again, and we can finally shed the anchor weight of their contracts and start to get better once more.
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Hope Adigun isn't one of the U21s that's been released , think there's something there with him that's worth persevering with , at least worth a 1yr extension to see if he can break through. Sounds like he impressed at Welling.1
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Thierry Small, Keep
Tyreeq Bakinson Get rid
Connor Wickham, Get rid
Michael Hector, 50/50 on this really think he is a good player but can also be shocking at times
Panutche Camara get rid
Terell Thomas, get rid
Lewis Ward, dunno prob get rid, surely if Jones thought he was any good he would have given him a game at the end of the season
Lucas Ness, dunno
George Dobson, Keep if can
Jack Payne, get rid
Diallang Jaiyesimi, get rid
Richard Chin. get rid
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His goal was a good one, but he lifts the ball over the bar all too often to be seen as a goalscoring midfielder.JamesSeed said:
He’s scored, and he gets into scoring positions in every game. And that with not playing many minutes.seth plum said:Bakinson is an odd one, he doesn’t seem to do anything wrong, but not especially affect games either.
I wouldn’t sign him ahead of leaving a space for a youngster to come through.
I actually think he's better as a box to box player than any other CM player we have bar Dobson.0 -
Only difference to you is Keep Ness and Hector.Nicholas said:Thierry Small, Keep
Tyreeq Bakinson Get rid
Connor Wickham, Get rid
Michael Hector, 50/50 on this really think he is a good player but can also be shocking at times
Panutche Camara get rid
Terell Thomas, get rid
Lewis Ward, dunno prob get rid, surely if Jones thought he was any good he would have given him a game at the end of the season
Lucas Ness, dunno
George Dobson, Keep if can
Jack Payne, get rid
Diallang Jaiyesimi, get rid
Richard Chin. get rid
Ness has shown he has quality and has also shown he can be quite raw. That's league 1 players though and for the cost of him I don't think we'll get better value.
Hector well, once he got going he's been mostly solid, with a GK behind him that gives him more confidence I am certain he'll look even better.
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I think Hector needs a bit of quality around him, rather than Hector doing all of the running around to make up for the deficiencies of other players.
If NJ gets a competent goalkeeper who commands his area, and another quality central defender, then I believe Hector will be a stand out player.
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