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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Blackpool: Saturday 21st September 2024: KO 15:00
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I'm also finding Brownie's commentary a little grinding, he takes up so much air time around scenarios, when the ball is in play. For those only listening to the match it would be even worse. A good, co-commentator adds little snippets, not drawn out monologues. His Knowledge is unquestionably good, just need to allow the commentary of the action to be in the main.6
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The usual problem with Chuks is still there. He's so much better than everyone else. If only he could last 60 mins.
He needs a strike partner with ability, dare I say it, like May.1 -
Oh the irony!RonnieMoore said:There are times when you witness something that makes you speechless cause it’s so bad it can’t be true .. we seen many a poor ref at the valley over the years .. but after giving careful throught I thing safe to say what we witnessed this afternoon was the “ worst “ ever , given Keith Stroud admitting he hated Charlton and the performances we seen from him this bloke pips him , now he done the same to us last season v Bristol Rovers but today he went to another level , he will need poilce escort out the ground … 3 pen 2 clear as you will get shirt pull on Jones and the hand ball in from the goal were shocking enough but the way he conned and cheated by Blackpool players was amazing .. but just his own his 50/50 tackles all to Blackpool silly bookings for us but somehow none for them .. even in the bbc report the reporter mentioned how bad he was .. what will be done about him nothing that’s what .The game becomes second to this clown because you knew if he was never going to let us get anything today ….Would give credit to Blackpool for there systems that completely stoooed us especially in mid but they don’t deserve nothing if you have to cheat to win a football match then take the 3 points .. feel sorry for the boys who battled and gave it all again but surrounding the ref at final whistle with the songs ringing in his ears of “ your not fit to ref “ 2-0 to the referee really showed what sort of day it was ..I will say the save from Jones header was world class the block on the ball to stop Jones tapping into an empty net was just has good .. but expect he would have disallowed it anyway …5 -
My guess is no... You dare not say it!Dazzler21 said:The usual problem with Chuks is still there. He's so much better than everyone else. If only he could last 60 mins.
He needs a strike partner with ability, dare I say it, like May.1 -
Blackpool totally took the mick play acting but we left loads of room in our full back positions, and if our main plan is long ball we need a good set piece taker.
Not many positives to take but if we can get 4 points from 15th place Stevenage & 19th place Bristol Rovers it'll be forgotten.2 -
Exactly, this is why he is so much better in the studio where he has less time and more focus to analyse certain passages of play.ozaddick said:I'm also finding Brownie's commentary a little grinding, he takes up so much air time around scenarios, when the ball is in play. For those only listening to the match it would be even worse. A good, co-commentator adds little snippets, not drawn out monologues. His Knowledge is unquestionably good, just need to allow the commentary of the action to be in the main.I don’t want to hear him give a prolonged scenario about how he thinks it would have been better if Coventry had dragged the ball back, spun the player and played a perfect 45 yard cross-field pass - because you know if that goes wrong he would be saying he should have played the simple pass into space.The worst thing is it takes away from Gregg doing it, who I think is very good at that role2 -
It was more than the nonsense head injuries. Did you miss the stats of 18 tackles and 18 free kicks?Bailey said:
Callum, Blackpool knew exactly what they were doing, every time they went down they clutched their head, the Referee is duty bound to stop the game in those circumstances. You are right, our first half performance was shocking and going two nil down allows Blackpool to use the tactic of feigning a head injury.Its for the football authorities to clamp down on, not the Referee Personally I think if they declare a head injury then they should leave the field of play for five minutes to ensure no after affects or concussion, not hopeful that would ever be the case though.Callumcafc said:
We were shite first half. The ref didn’t allow the game to flow second half. It can be multiple things that contribute to a result.O-Randy-Hunt said:
Tis why we lost innitCallumcafc said:
Bloke was the softest man on the field and his weakness complimented the Blackpool game plan in multiple ways.
I don’t usually call out the ref but today it has to be.5 -
The ref was shit today and I think we are all in agreement.
But he was not the reason we lost.
We lost because we played crap.28 -
Nicholas said:
And we don’t have the players to play 4-3-3 ffs. Mis match of shit ffs. I’m not getting into arguments with you again you prove every season you ain’t got a clue ffsForeverAddickted said:
We went from 3-5-2 to 4-3-3 today, with the switch in formation bringing us back into the game, whilst it was one of those "Luton" signings who got us back into the game?Nicholas said:Another manager coming in and putting all his eggs in one basket for one formation only. These useless idiots will never learn. We have signed shit from Swindon didn’t work. Still signing shit from Ipswich doesn’t work. Now signing shit from
luton doesn’t fucking work. Something that worked for jones 3-4 years ago doesn’t mean they are gonna be any good this tome
around. Pants managers with no clue.
We actually do have those players Nicholas but when you are third in the table and have a more than reasonable start with the formation, you probably would stick with it. You like me have probably watched every game this season and have been concerned about our lack of creation, might be the opportunity to change that now.0 -
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Totally deserved to be beaten, however the ref was diabolical, he was an enabler for the Blackpool synchronised diving team, never seen such blatant shithousery and gamesmanship ignored by a ref in my life.
Their physio must have had the highest optima stats in history4 -
That's definitely how I saw it Blackpool.blackpool72 said:The ref was shit today and I think we are all in agreement.
But he was not the reason we lost.
We lost because we played crap.0 -
We looked like 2023/24 Charlton without Mitchell especially in the first half. After the break mindful of earlier games, Blackpool played us with their persistent stoppage tactics together with their extra man (the ref) and deserved the win. We will never win games like this when we have no creativity in the side.0
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Very mature interview from Coventry, didn't allow any blame to be deflected away from the team as a whole. Came across very wellfenaddick said:
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Blackwall Tunnel currently at a standstill as 4 Blackpool players are lying injured on the Tunnel Approach.Multiple stretchers awaited.46
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Poor, poor, poor.
We can moan about the ref as much as we like, and he was shocking, but Blackpool did a job on us.
Jones also made some odd team selections which didn't work. A Campbell for Berry? Kanu ahead of TC or Godden.
EDIT and he dropped Mitchell! Bewildering.
TC man of the match. Game changed when he came on, partly as we went 3 up top but mainly due to skill, speed and effort.
Oh, for an attacking midfielder who plays incisive accurate forward passes and scores goals like their No.822 -
Bailey said:blackpool72 said:The ref was shit today and I think we are all in agreement.But he was not the reason we lost.We lost because we played crap.That's definitely how I saw it Blackpool.
Bailey, if you agree with Blackpool72 that the referee was shit, why did you give him the positive rating in the players marks?0 -
TC looked like a top League One player when he came on, in his natural position on the wing.
If only we were able to make the most of him in his best position more.11 -
So much I could say about the game, but what left me so pissed off is the game as a whole is turning into a farce. Grown men, rolling around, conning everyone.
It ain't the game it used to be, and in this sense for the worst
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Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking
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I didnt agree that the ref was shit. I should have said I agree with Blackpool's last sentence, they started the head injury nonsense after they went two nil up, the Referee was not responsible for us going two nil down, our players were. If our players do their jobs then Blackpool don't use the head injury tactic. I'm more annoyed with some our performances than the referee's performance.Scratchingvalleycat said:Bailey said:blackpool72 said:The ref was shit today and I think we are all in agreement.But he was not the reason we lost.We lost because we played crap.That's definitely how I saw it Blackpool.
Bailey, if you agree with Blackpool72 that the referee was shit, why did you give him the positive rating in the players marks?1 -
Was he dropped?Garrymanilow said:Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking0 -
“I changed one or two personnel today because of certain things. Luke Berry has been struggling. I felt I wanted to just play a little bit more, be really aggressive so I brought Rarmani in. It’s my fault for changing team. It’s just tactical [to drop Mitchell]. I made a decision. Whether rightly or wrongly, we weren’t ourselves. It wasn’t just one position there, we were a mile off first-half. I’ll look at those decisions and adjust from there as there’s a lot of frustration around the game today.”paulsturgess said:
Was he dropped?Garrymanilow said:Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking
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Garrymanilow said:Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking
Was Mitchell dropped? Or injured?Garrymanilow said:Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking0 -
We were crap and deserved to be 2 goals down at half time.blackpool72 said:The ref was shit today and I think we are all in agreement.
But he was not the reason we lost.
We lost because we played crap.
We were better in the second half and deserved at least the one goal we got. The argument is that we might have been able to create more if the ref didn’t blow his whistle every 20 seconds.
We deserved what we got and no one is saying otherwise.Only comments on the ref are to point out that that was the most consistently poor refereeing performance that I’ve seen in a long time. He didn’t have many major decisions to get wrong but he had no control over the game and fell for everything from both teams - everything was a foul and a free kick.2 -
ForeverAddickted said:
Got one lifetime... Might as well enjoy it... Rather than being a glass half empty type of person, worrying about what might happen.The Prince-e-Paul said:
Wish I had you positivity!ForeverAddickted said:
I wish I had your memoryAthletico Charlton said:I can't figure it out. Lots of experts on here said last season you don't need to tackle to be in midfield and continually criticised Dobson. We now have a non tackling midfield the envy of everyone. Yet we are shit.
Has to go down as the worst football experience in my 40 Years of watching us.
I'm not always positive, but that tends to be things I can control
However you cant say that todays result was worse than anything we've seen in the last few years, let alone 40
Who said that then? Assume you mean me but I didn't say anything about the result so maybe you should read my post before commenting upon it.
I said it was the worst football experience I have had in 40 years. It was. It was anti football. Watching a load of players going down with every touch. That is not entertainment, it's pathetic. I loath cheating and that's what they did for 60+ minutes.
To top that off, the ref missed tonnes and never booked them for time wasting; I rarely ever complain about refs but today's was an embarrassment. After 10 minutes I said this ref will destroy the game as he blew for every single touch.
On top of that, we were utterly shit playing attritional hoofball towards Gassan who clearly isn't a striker who is going to dominate an aerial battle.
The entire 102 minutes was dreadful. If games were like that every week I simply wouldn't bother going. Football is in the entertainment business. That was not entertainment.
I have seen tonnes of utter tripe 0-0 games of total boredom, I have seen us get pumped by 4/5/6. That isn't my point. It wasn't the boredom, it was the anti football and constant cheating combined with the lack of a single saving grace from either team or ref. Just shit.8 -
If Mitchell was dropped I can't see how it was just for tactical reasons. He was out pre match warming up apparently so not injured but if it were tactical surely he'd have been on the bench? I don't see it. Back three have been solid, why change it? Think there is more to it myself.3
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Excuse my French but leaving Mitchell out is fucking mental25
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Mitchell is verbal and talks across the back four/five, bad decision to leave him out, Jones still hasn't explained the Kanu decision though and he might want to add Allan Campbell to the list of 'I got it wrong'Garrymanilow said:Really, really weird that Jones dropped Mitchell. I think REG is a generally decent player but Mitchell is the kind of player you want to be ever-present. If he'd dropped Gillesphey for Potts I would have understood but taking out the bloke who is the difference in personnel Jones was talking about last season for a back 5 we could have turned out last season is absolutely bizarre. Sort of feels like the 11/12 Stevenage game where Powell dropped Solly and put Morrison at RB to deal with Stevenage's physical threat and it was a disaster. Powell never did it again, hopefully Jones follows that line of thinking4
