If not, then I suggest stability such as having same manager at the end of the season as at the start, is the way to go.
One very poor performance, when we lost by one goal BTW and was our first home league defeat for months, shouldn't even be considered a reason to switch managers IMHO
Christ. Football fans are bonkers. Jones is as good a manager as we could have got and he needs to be given time. Real time like in two or three seasons. League One isn’t easy and it would be remarkable if Jones got us promoted this season after all the changes. Stability and progress is the way to go. I think Jones will provide both if he’s supported and given time.
Awful stuff to watch but I reckon we’ll be in or within touching distance of the playoffs at Christmas. We need a good spell from Leaburn though. it was a tactical cock up on Saturday. Hopefully we can get a more forward thinking midfielder in then.
Talk of sacking NJ is madness, we are only a handful of games into the season and whilst not playing brilliantly we are in the play off positions. Give the team a few months to bed in with miles and Edwards coming back we should improve.
Are people actually talking about sacking NJ? Madness if so, especially as I’m pretty sure he has a long term contract so would be an expensive mistake to make.
A small contingent of bellends in the CE F block on Saturday were calling for his head, but they share a single brain cell between all of them so it's nothing new
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
I can't believe people want NJ to leave! He changed us as a team last season and we finally became difficult to beat. He's got rid of players many of us were saying are not good enough, (although I disagree with May leaving). This season we have played 7, won 4, drawn 1 and lost 2 and we sit 4th in the League! This is still a work in progress, and whilst I agree it's not the greatest football in the world, we are much better off than we were last season. It would be lovely (and rare) if we could finish this season with the same manager we started with, our club needs stability. So I hope he doesn't go anywhere and can continue with his project!
He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
With the state that we were in, is anybody surprised we aren’t storming the league? It’s been billed as a project - everyone talks about the project. His aim when he was appointed last season was to prevent us getting relegated ffs!
He has come in and we have seen some positive signs. We aren’t pathetically weak at the back any more (for the most part). He needs some time to work on fluidity and our attacking aspect. I know the football isn’t pretty at times and he has a clear game plan of pressing and winning the ball high up the pitch, but that cannot be the only game plan.
He needs time and some patience. The main goal is getting out of this awful league any way possible. If the defence can hold their end of the bargain, hopefully with some work, the attacking side will work itself out too.
Promotion this year would be a bonus, especially with what seems like one of the spots already taken. I would settle for us being much more competitive this year, another two windows to bring in preferred players, and have a big push next season.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
Not improved the team while already being in a league position we could’ve only dreamed of last season. Mad.
Talk of sacking NJ is madness, we are only a handful of games into the season and whilst not playing brilliantly we are in the play off positions. Give the team a few months to bed in with miles and Edwards coming back we should improve.
This, absolutely bonkers to have talk about sacking him.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
Our whole defence was recruited for playing a 3 at the back system. It’s where they have all had success at previous clubs. I think it would be risky to change from that when our defence has been so strong.
I think it’s better to keep the strong defence in place, and hope the midfield clicks with a bit more time and that Leaburn can make a difference up front
He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
Our whole defence was recruited for playing a 3 at the back system. It’s where they have all had success at previous clubs. I think it would be risky to change from that when our defence has been so strong.
I think it’s better to keep the strong defence in place, and hope the midfield clicks with a bit more time and that Leaburn can make a difference up front
100%, mucking around with the defence was a disaster on Saturday.
Curbs is our most successful manager in modern times, during his tenure there were periods when he could have been sacked, early on and in our 1st season in the Prem but the club bought into him and the project, so we had 7 years of Prem and stability, he leaves and we become a nut job club.
We may not get promotion this season, we are a work in progress, we may finish outside the top 6, but we have seen progress and as long as we can see that, then we should not be talking about undermining stability.
Maybe it's more of a case that Jones is missing his family and will want to go, especially if things aren't working out for him as expected at the Valley.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited. There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else. Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get dejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.
Maybe it's more of a case that Jones is missing his family and will want to go, especially if things aren't working out for him as expected at the Valley.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited. There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else. Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get rejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.
HIs family live on the south coast so would have exactly the same problem if he went to Cardiff
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If not, then I suggest stability such as having same manager at the end of the season as at the start, is the way to go.
One very poor performance, when we lost by one goal BTW and was our first home league defeat for months, shouldn't even be considered a reason to switch managers IMHO
I have no doubt that Jones will have a release clause, it was rumoured that this was one of the reasons that Millwall didn't appoint him.
Would Cardiff pay it? I have my doubts. Also would he leave and risk another Stoke or Southampton scenario which could potentially finish his career?
He deserves the full season and we can decide in July whether the impact has been enough.
BBC article on the Cardiff vacancy. NJ is mentioned at the bottom.
it was a tactical cock up on Saturday.
Hopefully we can get a more forward thinking midfielder in then.
This season we have played 7, won 4, drawn 1 and lost 2 and we sit 4th in the League!
This is still a work in progress, and whilst I agree it's not the greatest football in the world, we are much better off than we were last season. It would be lovely (and rare) if we could finish this season with the same manager we started with, our club needs stability.
So I hope he doesn't go anywhere and can continue with his project!
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
This, absolutely bonkers to have talk about sacking him.
We may not get promotion this season, we are a work in progress, we may finish outside the top 6, but we have seen progress and as long as we can see that, then we should not be talking about undermining stability.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited.
There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else.
Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get dejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.