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Nathan Jones on being ‘absolutely abused’ by Charlton Athletic fans
Danny Addick
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I’m sure this will be divisive but I want to say it anyway. In my opinion, fans lose all credibility when they abuse players or managers. Moan all you want, you pay your money and football is a game of opinions after all, but never abuse. Give feedback, say he was wrong, say he’s awful but don’t swear and abuse him. Grow up.
Adults screaming abuse at a man because he lost games of football? Seriously?
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Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.97
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I totally agree - the reaction after the Stevenage game by some made me feel a bit uncomfortable.
That being said, it has to be made clear that it’s only ever a small section of fans who take it that far.7 -
Goodness knows the age of the fan giving out the abuse, and whether he was around.
But I guess he wouldn’t have been to happy when Curbs was in charge, (imo our greatest ever manager in living history) set a premier league record at the time by losing 8 consecutive matches in a row, I reckon he’d self combust!
The fan I meant, not Curbs.4 -
I wonder if said fan would have the balls to come on here and defend himself?3
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It’s a strange one this. Obviously we don’t know the “abuse” he is talking about and if he has been genuinely abused then that is, of course, out of order. I am not a Jones fan and I have been open about that. And I have been deeply critical of both the absolute shyte he has served us up thus far this season with the odd exception and his demeanour/communications which I think are in danger of setting him up for ridicule. But I like to think that I stay the right side of the line. He got it spot on/got lucky (delete as appropriate) and deserves the plaudits. But one swallow and all that…..Yesterday put me in my place for a while and I’m genuinely pleased about that. But I’m not reaching for the humble pie until I see yesterday repeated consistently and until NJ winds his neck in a bit.12
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Agh, so it was you Silly Billy! 😂Sillybilly said:It’s a strange one this. Obviously we don’t know the “abuse” he is talking about and if he has been genuinely abused then that is, of course, out of order. I am not a Jones fan and I have been open about that. And I have been deeply critical of both the absolute shyte he has served us up thus far this season with the odd exception and his demeanour/communications which I think are in danger of setting him up for ridicule. But I like to think that I stay the right side of the line. He got it spot on/got lucky (delete as appropriate) and deserves the plaudits. But one swallow and all that…..Yesterday put me in my place for a while and I’m genuinely pleased about that. But I’m not reaching for the humble pie until I see yesterday repeated consistently and until NJ winds his neck in a bit.2 -
I think that there's a distinction between being critical (which yes I absolutely was) and abusive. The latter is absolutely not okay and if people really were swearing and making abusive comments to his face then that's just shitty behaviour regardless of results/performances.
With that all said, Nathan Jones of all people getting upset that some people take football a little bit too seriously is slightly ironic it must be said (though of course does not justify any of the really twonkish behaviour from some fans.)10 -
I remember Appleton getting dogs abuse after some games and I’d never felt so embarrassed by some of our fans. If you ain’t happy with a defeat just clear off and don’t clap the team, that message is fairly clear on its own.20
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It's all part of the theatre though, surely? That’s why The Valley will never be described as a fortress by opposition players. I’m not saying it should be foaming-at-the-mouth hostility or personally abusing him, just be the 12th man that other clubs have for their home games. I agree it’s nice to be nice, but I’m pretty sure May and others know the score. From what I could hear yesterday though, he only got a boo for his first touch, and it was pretty quiet after that anyway.se9addick said:Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.6 -
All seems a bit unecessary exaggerated to me. The team has been awful in recent games and when that happens, sometimes fans have a bit of a vent. That’s football and happens at every club. He knows that, he’s been in the game long enough. Charlton’s fan base is far from being the most toxic so let’s not kick ourselves too much.The fans were singing his name at Stevenage and again before and at the start of the game yesterday.He’s a chippy fella, reckon he must fall out with people all the time. Digging out fans after a spell of the team being universally awful just seemed an unnecessary move to me, but hey ho, that’s his character68
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Remember when curbs went on terrible runs (albeit in the prem or div1), Powell did too and Bows. We have a proper manager in NJ, we won’t get better at this level. Hopefully that was our last one this season but if not we need to get behind the team.14
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Was it? Did Alfie May get a kick all game? Let’s make it nice and easy for him and then kiss and cuddle him if he scores! I liked Alfie May in a Charlton shirt and appreciate what he achieved. Yesterday he wasn’t in a Charlton shirt and for those 90 mins, hero status goes and and the only thing that matters are three pointsse9addick said:Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.
I was talking to an ex Millwall player once and he said that Millwall arrive at the valley knowing that there will not be an atmosphere of hate towards them. He said that at the den, millwall could smell the fear
when was the last time we won at Millwall, when was the last time they won here?
abusing a manager after a bad run is brain dead. Making life uncomfortable for the opposition is par for the course.
how many wickets did Shane warne get by getting in the batsman’s head by sledging. Is that brain dead?3 -
Which will happen but the team has to give fans something to get behind. As it did, and some, yesterday. That is the game as it is.0
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Agree with this.AFKABartram said:All seems a bit unecessary exaggerated to me. The team has been awful in recent games and when that happens, sometimes fans have a bit of a vent. That’s football and happens at every club. He knows that, he’s been in the game long enough. Charlton’s fan base is far from being the most toxic so let’s not kick ourselves too much.The fans were singing his name at Stevenage and again before and at the start of the game yesterday.He’s a chippy fella, reckon he must fall out with people all the time. Digging out fans after a spell of the team being universally awful just seemed an unnecessary move to me, but hey ho, that’s his characterThought this comment yesterday was unnecessary, and his whole demeanour in that post match (looking at the floor, biting his nails) was bizarre.
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Noticed he said something about finding out about certain people over the last couple of weeks. Sure he meant with the players and having the character to pick them selves up, but reckon he was also aiming it at some criticism they'd received from other quarters n all1
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The whole thing is unnecessary. Our best manager in years getting abuse, and his comments to the press.AFKABartram said:All seems a bit unecessary exaggerated to me. The team has been awful in recent games and when that happens, sometimes fans have a bit of a vent. That’s football and happens at every club. He knows that, he’s been in the game long enough. Charlton’s fan base is far from being the most toxic so let’s not kick ourselves too much.The fans were singing his name at Stevenage and again before and at the start of the game yesterday.He’s a chippy fella, reckon he must fall out with people all the time. Digging out fans after a spell of the team being universally awful just seemed an unnecessary move to me, but hey ho, that’s his character11 -
When a manager is going mental at pre season games, like he was during the WIN against Pompey, you know it's going to be turbulent at times. Ironic though that he goes bat shit continuously but takes offence to fans doing the same when we've been looking awful.
Good manager but takes criticism incredibly personally... its going to be a interesting year.20 -
I hate listening to his conferences, win or lose. There is a simple solution to that. I now avoid them. But that doesn't matter, his job is to gain performances and results like yesterday and if he does that consistently, we will all be happy. If he doesn't and starts Watson over Ramsay maybe a few of us will make observations!1
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I wasn’t at Bristol but I’m struggling to have it that he’s had much by way of abuse in earshot from the few hundred there. Appleton definitely did, no argument with that. But I suspect Jones is being well OTT.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
The whole thing is unnecessary. Our best manager in years getting abuse, and his comments to the press.AFKABartram said:All seems a bit unecessary exaggerated to me. The team has been awful in recent games and when that happens, sometimes fans have a bit of a vent. That’s football and happens at every club. He knows that, he’s been in the game long enough. Charlton’s fan base is far from being the most toxic so let’s not kick ourselves too much.The fans were singing his name at Stevenage and again before and at the start of the game yesterday.He’s a chippy fella, reckon he must fall out with people all the time. Digging out fans after a spell of the team being universally awful just seemed an unnecessary move to me, but hey ho, that’s his characterAs for that quote about people trusting him to manage and pick the team, the first thing he did after the last game was say that he picked the wrong team!30 -
It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.
I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years.
Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!
Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?
Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.
I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would consider it part and parcel of football. Is it ’abuse’? However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’
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I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all.jimmymelrose said:It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.
I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years.
Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!
Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?
Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.
I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’0 -
Got the impression in his interview that he wasn’t just angry at the fans who abused him though.
Sounded like something had gone on behind the scenes, referring on several occasions to learning a lout about his staff and team.
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That reminded me of an incident on the 161 a while ago. A bunch of teenage girls were taking the piss, calling me baldy etc. After 10 minutes or so i calmly walked to the back of the bus and said to the gobbiest one " i can always wear a wig. YOU will always be fucking ugly" . She burst into tears.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all.jimmymelrose said:It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.
I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years.
Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!
Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?
Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.
I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’22 -
I think it would be the same in any language. The insertion of the extra adjective can be done to make you feel an outsider, or it can be done in mutual jest.
There are great subtleties in any language, and they are not the same between languages and cultures. The greatest example of this was the misunderstanding of Suarez when he used the word ’negro.’ I really believe that Suarez was simply naive.
However I also find it unbelievable that the current Argentinian team, who all play overseas, do not understand that they are being racist.
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That was for leaving his rental untidy and not saying goodbye to his neighbour.se9addick said:Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.43 -
Over analysing this in my view.He likely meant no more than ‘see…trust me I know what I’m doing’ but used the wrong word in ‘abuse’.It’s just football.1
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Never knew you were bald @Baldybonce?Baldybonce said:
That reminded me of an incident on the 161 a while ago. A bunch of teenage girls were taking the piss, calling me baldy etc. After 10 minutes or so i calmly walked to the back of the bus and said to the gobbiest one " i can always wear a wig. YOU will always be fucking ugly" . She burst into tears.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all.jimmymelrose said:It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.
I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years.
Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!
Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?
Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.
I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’3 -
Well I can uunderstand Jones getting the hump if he’s being called “bald”. Whatever else I might think of him I can’t deny that’s he’s got a good head of hair 😉I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all.2 -
it's the style amongst the more mature Covered enders.Gribbo said:
Never knew you were bald @Baldybonce?Baldybonce said:
That reminded me of an incident on the 161 a while ago. A bunch of teenage girls were taking the piss, calling me baldy etc. After 10 minutes or so i calmly walked to the back of the bus and said to the gobbiest one " i can always wear a wig. YOU will always be fucking ugly" . She burst into tears.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all.jimmymelrose said:It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.
I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years.
Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!
Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?
Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.
I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’5
