Next England Manager - Thomas Tuchel

eaststandmike said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

LargeAddick said:

England manager should be English in my opinion. We've done foreign twice and neither of them won anything, Tuchel will be no different. 

We have not won much with English managers either.

The only trophy we have won was with an English manager 

Yeah, that doesn't fit the narrative, so it doesn't count.

fenaddick said:

Genuine question for those opposed to a foreign manager. Lets say we win the world cup would your enjoyment be dampened because the manager is German?

Always wonder if there is a few out there who failed to enjoy the Lionesses' Euros win because we had a Dutch manager.

Personally I thought it was brilliant and she was brilliant.

Kap10 said:

LargeAddick said:

England manager should be English in my opinion. We've done foreign twice and neither of them won anything, Tuchel will be no different. 

Agreed, what other allegedly footballing super power has handed over the leadership of their national team to a non national. Personally for the top 20 national teams i think they should only be allowed to have own national managers, in the same way they are only have players that can claim nationality, although as ROI have shown that can be tenuous. 

As much as i liked Sven and  we had Cappello, Southgate achieved more than either of them.

Literally (almost) in the case of Capello, what have the Romans ever done for us!!

I said this earlier at the dinner table, but I said the top 30 national teams. I can understand countries like Jamaica appointing an experienced guy like they have (could have chosen better though) so they can hopefully develop using that guys expertise and knowledge but teams like England should have a born and bred national at the helm.

And you are right in that Southgate achieved more than Sven and Capello did with none of the experience they came with.

As a country we are slowing losing our identity so it shouldn’t be a surprise that this has happened but it’s a shame it has, in my opinion.

Embarrassing.

Quite how the biggest footballing nation in the world ,of which so much money and talent flows cannot produce a coach of the required quality to manage it's national side is nothing short of disgraceful.
This game is so very f**ked up!

To be honest i think unless we'd got Pep there would've been people moaning regardless.

I think the majority of people would certainly prefer that we had a bunch of world class English managers to choose from but the simple fact is we don't.

Even if we'd got Eddie Howe who is probably the best current English manager, people would've moaned and said he's not elite and what's he won.

My overall annoyance is that we have no pool of English managers to choose from. As the country that created the game this is genuinely shameful. 

I'd rather we didn't have a German as manager however that will be forgotten if he picks the right teams to win us something 

Got absolutely no problems with Tuchel as a choice, was slim pickings once Klopp went to Red Bull , Poch to the US and Pep is still deciding what he wants to do. Don't think the FA would have wanted to pay the kind of compensation that Newcastle would have wanted for Howe but I do think he'll manage England at some point. 

I don't get the "not a German manager" narrative. I would've preferred Pep, but I cant see him leaving City at the moment. TT is a good manager and we need the best for the job. Carsley was never going to be that person and currently I can't think of a world class English manager.
I don't give a stuff about the nationality of the manager, we need a winner, I think TT might be that man!

This should be a wake up call for the FA to lower its coaching badge prices. Countries like Spain charge a lot less and have multiple times the amount of qualified coaches we do, Germany the same.

Unfortunately it won’t.

I'm sure the FA's wish list comprised those they felt most likely to lead us to success, but I've no idea how far down TT was on it.

I think to have restricted their choice by nationality would have potentially make that less likely, and as employing non English non playing staff is permitted, they're gambling on it bringing that long awaited tournament win we desperately crave. Other top nations, who wouldn't contemplate it today, might feel differently if they'd been starved of success for nearly sixty years!

So I understand the thinking and prioritising, but I don't have high expectations of anyone to deliver that success. I'm pessimistic due to the dissapointments of the past and feeling they'll always be a better team, or one with the luck on their side on the day.

Redmidland said:

I don't get the "not a German manager" narrative. I would've preferred Pep, but I cant see him leaving City at the moment. TT is a good manager and we need the best for the job. Carsley was never going to be that person and currently I can't think of a world class English manager.
I don't give a stuff about the nationality of the manager, we need a winner, I think TT might be that man!

I understand where you are coming from but I believe that a National team should be national from manager and through the team. Coupled with the belief that great club managers do not necessarily make great international managers as they require a different skill set away from day to day contact, I'm not particularly whelmed by TTs appointment. That said I'll be as happy as any on this board if we actually win something.

carly burn said:

Embarrassing.

Quite how the biggest footballing nation in the world ,of which so much money and talent flows cannot produce a coach of the required quality to manage it's national side is nothing short of disgraceful.
This game is so very f**ked up!

Agree 100%.

No way Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc would have a non national leading their team.

Can understand it for developing football nations but it's poor.

Even if he wins world cup it's not an English win.. it's a team of English players coordinated and masterminded by a German manager.

Takes the shine off it hugely and would undermine it.

National managers should be of the nation they manage like the players otherwise it makes international football meaningless.

Selling out in pursuit of success is soulless but in step with modern football I suppose.

fenaddick said:

eaststandmike said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

LargeAddick said:

England manager should be English in my opinion. We've done foreign twice and neither of them won anything, Tuchel will be no different. 

We have not won much with English managers either.

The only trophy we have won was with an English manager 

60 years ago, doesn’t have much relevance to modern football

I am not sure relevance has anything to do with it. Plain and simple facts show in 58 years of international football England have won one trophy and the manager was English 

Charlton have managers and players who aren't Charlton fans; doesn't stop me supporting them or celebrating the rare successes we have.

The national job is an almost impossible task.

Not only must the manager win every game and every tournament it must be done playing the most attacking and exciting football while never conceding any goals and playing every "world class" player available even if that unbalances the team.

Southgate undoubtedly took the England team forward, achieving more than any boss since Ramsay, but that was never good enough for many.

We talk about every group of players being a golden generation until they don't win then we decide the next lot are the golden generation and expect miracles.

I'm not bothered about TT or his nationality but when people cite Spain or Germany as having top coaches that win international trophies they nearly always promote in-,house coaches from their U21 and national teams, as we did with Southgate.

The failure of the FA was to not have his successor ready and in place within the system.