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MATCH THREAD (+post p20) : Charlton Athletic V Bromley : BSM Trophy : Tues 12 November 2024 KO 19:00
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I've got to say Large, there is a little part of me that thinks Ronnie does out of sheer devilment. The post tonight was almost timed to contradict previous posts, if you say its shit Ronnie will say it ain't. I don't think that post suggests that he's in the know, more that he believes that the players, although not instructed to ease up, but more they knew there was no sense in busting a gut, its a players sense more than anything. Back to Ronnie though, if, as I believe, Ronnie is playing you, why bite, surely that's giving him satisfaction and encouragement to take the contrary stand once again.LargeAddick said:
He doesn’t present it as such. He wants us to think he’s in the know hence ‘first teamers were TOLD not to get injured’. If it were his opinion it would be ‘I’d like to think the first teamers were told not to get injured’.Bailey said:Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue
Don't read it then, it's his opinion nothing else.Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue1 -
I will say, I have changed my mind about the tournament and think it is a positive way to blood youngsters. It wasn't the youngsters that made us so painful to watch last night. I have been thinking there will be a moment when things click into place but am starting to doubt it now. I think we have been suffering before Sandguard from not having enough players who know where the goal is and then we found one and let him go, although I don't think we could have kept him to be fair. Obviously, that applies to goal creation as well as scoring.
What I feel we need to do is every player we recruit from now on, defender, midfielder or striker has to have goals in their game relative to his position to fix this issue. Yes we have injuries but really the two big losses are two defenders and we are conceding soft goals but not often shedloads. We are not scoring enough and that has been our problem for years now. The problem was allowed to happen and we haven't really solved it properly. I think Curbs has made this point but the fact so many managers seem oblivious to it is worrying. If you Wiki players, not so much youngsters, and look at their career goal records it pretty much tells you what you can expect from them.1 -
Don't forget Tom AllenOff_it said:
Someone's just gone and Googled "famous Bromley residents"!AFKABartram said:David Bowie, Enid Blyton, Napoleon III, Rob Beckett, your boys took one hell of an average beating
Napoleon III actually lived in Chislehurst - in the building that's now the golf club (Camden Place). And his son - the Prince Imperial - was killed in the Zulu war. There's a memorial to him on Prince Imperial Road on the common.
I think they were Palace.0 -
bromleyjohn said:Was 7 rows behind Nathan Jones And the ball was definitely off the pitch. The world has gone mad.
Is insanity infectious? Try moving back afew rowsbromleyjohn said:Was 7 rows behind Nathan Jones And the ball was definitely off the pitch. The world has gone mad.2 -
Went to the Valley for this. Poor game, Bromley were poor and we were only slightly better/
Slow and ponderous so what good football we did play lead to little as we gave Bromley team to get back.
Deserved to win but needed two good stops from AMB to do so.
Taylor was poor, Yrnevoc plays it backwards 95% of the time, Berry was phoning it in.
REG was combative and must be worth trying in midfield.
Zac and Enslin both did well but we shouldn't expect too much from them too soon.
Rylah was the biggest disappointment for me as I've seen him play so much better, albeit at U21 and U18 level but he just doesn't yet seem able to translate that skill and speed to first team games. I'd say loan him to the National League but the U21s have no strikers.
Jones sending off was a bit OTT but he shouldn't be getting anywhere near the touchline. We'll see if we bother to appeal it.
Three wins means 3 x £10k plus the base £20k for taking part so £50k in the bank plus more to come from the next game. Costs of opening the ground probably swallow up most if not all of that.
Still much rather we weren't at a level where we had to play in the competition but we are so it is what it is.
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I’m still annoyed by the header he ballooned over the bar. You could see he was put off by a defender getting within a few feet of him. Made him wince.Exiled_Addick said:
I'd have subbed him as soon as he made that "pass" in the first half, and then fine him. I'm still annoyed by it.Chunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argueJeez.0 -
Ball was going out, Jones put his foot up to stop the ball going further behind him. His foot may have been every so slightly on the pitch. The Lino did not appear to react, seemed to be all from the 4th official. The ref went straight over and gave Jones a Red, for that, does not need Jones to say anything (which I don't think he did)seth plum said:It was hard to fully understand the Jones incident from the stream, the commentator seemed to me to be watching in a studio somewhere and was a second behind the action throughout (maybe picture and audio mismatch), but from what I could discern the referee told Nathan Jones off for something, but it was Jones reaction to the initial censure that escalated it to a sending off, because after the referee bit, Jones apparently went pleading and moaning to the fourth official.
Admittedly that is my take, and others might have a clearer idea about what happened.1 -
George Dobson gave 100% every match with tackles and challenges and despite this full on approach didn't get injured.
You can see when a player is fully focused and engaged in a game and George was the epitome of that, hence he rarely got low marks even when he wasn't totally sharp.
How is 60% measured?
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Any idea how far DK is from returning???1
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Can't disagree with any of that but for me it's always an indication of what a team is missing when you are able to add a player into the mix. We've seen it with Chuks and last night Leaburn, previously struggling players start to find their passes and their confidence visibly lifts, REG was woeful with his passing in the first half but in the second half he looked a different player and he wasn't alone in that level of performance. Seems to me Nathan Jones hasn't got that mix right, either the player or players are not being selected or they are not in the club. One poster last night reasoned that Ahadme looked a different player with the arrival of Leaburn and mused that could be the front two that we've been looking for, he may be right. For me, when Lloyd Jones and Ramsay do return, the focus is on the midfield, countless posters have pointed out its lack of width and pace, its bloody ordinary and that's being kind. The one thing that gives me encouragement, is that Charlton are not massively away from the top six and considering their lack of wins that's astonishing, but it probably means that there are ten or so teams who are just as inconsistent as Charlton and the ones who break and stay in that top six are the ones who find that elusive consistency.MuttleyCAFC said:I will say, I have changed my mind about the tournament and think it is a positive way to blood youngsters. It wasn't the youngsters that made us so painful to watch last night. I have been thinking there will be a moment when things click into place but am starting to doubt it now. I think we have been suffering before Sandguard from not having enough players who know where the goal is and then we found one and let him go, although I don't think we could have kept him to be fair. Obviously, that applies to goal creation as well as scoring.
What I feel we need to do is every player we recruit from now on, defender, midfielder or striker has to have goals in their game relative to his position to fix this issue. Yes we have injuries but really the two big losses are two defenders and we are conceding soft goals but not often shedloads. We are not scoring enough and that has been our problem for years now. The problem was allowed to happen and we haven't really solved it properly. I think Curbs has made this point but the fact so many managers seem oblivious to it is worrying. If you Wiki players, not so much youngsters, and look at their career goal records it pretty much tells you what you can expect from them.0 - Sponsored links:
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His whole schtick is to give the appearance of being in the know, to sound like an ‘insider’.Bailey said:
I've got to say Large, there is a little part of me that thinks Ronnie does out of sheer devilment. The post tonight was almost timed to contradict previous posts, if you say its shit Ronnie will say it ain't. I don't think that post suggests that he's in the know, more that he believes that the players, although not instructed to ease up, but more they knew there was no sense in busting a gut, its a players sense more than anything. Back to Ronnie though, if, as I believe, Ronnie is playing you, why bite, surely that's giving him satisfaction and encouragement to take the contrary stand once again.LargeAddick said:
He doesn’t present it as such. He wants us to think he’s in the know hence ‘first teamers were TOLD not to get injured’. If it were his opinion it would be ‘I’d like to think the first teamers were told not to get injured’.Bailey said:Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue
Don't read it then, it's his opinion nothing else.Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue1 -
There's a few on here who can be accused of that James. I just don't get why it bothers people so much, it's an Internet forum about your favourite football team, it's a reflection of all opinions good or bad and for 45 mins last night it was the posters who were the entertainment not the football, that's when it's at its best, not when people have a meltdown over a posters opinions.JamesSeed said:
His whole schtick is to give the appearance of being in the know, to sound like an ‘insider’.Bailey said:
I've got to say Large, there is a little part of me that thinks Ronnie does out of sheer devilment. The post tonight was almost timed to contradict previous posts, if you say its shit Ronnie will say it ain't. I don't think that post suggests that he's in the know, more that he believes that the players, although not instructed to ease up, but more they knew there was no sense in busting a gut, its a players sense more than anything. Back to Ronnie though, if, as I believe, Ronnie is playing you, why bite, surely that's giving him satisfaction and encouragement to take the contrary stand once again.LargeAddick said:
He doesn’t present it as such. He wants us to think he’s in the know hence ‘first teamers were TOLD not to get injured’. If it were his opinion it would be ‘I’d like to think the first teamers were told not to get injured’.Bailey said:Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue
Don't read it then, it's his opinion nothing else.Croydon said:
Do you not get bored of posting such bollocks? Because it is so fucking boring having to read itRonnieMoore said:
First teamers were told not to get injured .. clear we played at 60% tonightChunes said:If they fine Berry a week's wages for that performance, I don't think he could argue4 -
Weird how the Charlton stream had the general EFL/Sky commentary all game.0
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Arteta did the same the other week and only got booked. 🤷🏻♂️MuttleyCAFC said:Why not have a word with Jones and maybe book him. But to send him off shows a lack of common sense. My son is a ref and doing well and I had a good discussion with him last night. I said that I felt the game is trying to remove common sense from refs, maybe to make decisions accross the piece more consistent and he agreed but said he would always apply common sense as a cornerstone to how he refs. I said that could hold him back and he said basically, if it does it does but he doesn't want to ref like a robot.
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15 hours after the final whistle and I'm still fuming over Berry's lack of effort and attitude last night.
Did he think a former PL player shouldn't be asked to demean himself by taking part in this nonsense of a tournament? Because it sure looked like it as he strolled around, mis hitting his passes and generally looking totally disinterested. Watching him, I had a horrible feeling Ben Watson had returned.
I can understand him thinking at this stage of my career this is not for me but having been selected he could at least put a bit of effort in.1 -
I’m absolutely astonished that over 2,000 Charlton fans went to this0
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You’ve spelt Coventry wrong.Henry Irving said:Went to the Valley for this. Poor game, Bromley were poor and we were only slightly better/
Slow and ponderous so what good football we did play lead to little as we gave Bromley team to get back.
Deserved to win but needed two good stops from AMB to do so.
Taylor was poor, Yrnevoc plays it backwards 95% of the time, Berry was phoning it in.
REG was combative and must be worth trying in midfield.
Zac and Enslin both did well but we shouldn't expect too much from them too soon.
Rylah was the biggest disappointment for me as I've seen him play so much better, albeit at U21 and U18 level but he just doesn't yet seem able to translate that skill and speed to first team games. I'd say loan him to the National League but the U21s have no strikers.
Jones sending off was a bit OTT but he shouldn't be getting anywhere near the touchline. We'll see if we bother to appeal it.
Three wins means 3 x £10k plus the base £20k for taking part so £50k in the bank plus more to come from the next game. Costs of opening the ground probably swallow up most if not all of that.
Still much rather we weren't at a level where we had to play in the competition but we are so it is what it is.6 - Sponsored links:
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I was sat a few rows behind to the right, looking on to the pitch, of Jones. My initial thought when he kicked / trapped the ball was that it was just inside the playing area but no one was around and he did not boot it away delaying play or interfering with the opposition getting the ball. the call was made by the Linesman, i think, as he was in discussion with the referee. I am not a big fan of Jones histrionics but I do not think there were any until he actually got shown the red card.seth plum said:It was hard to fully understand the Jones incident from the stream, the commentator seemed to me to be watching in a studio somewhere and was a second behind the action throughout (maybe picture and audio mismatch), but from what I could discern the referee told Nathan Jones off for something, but it was Jones reaction to the initial censure that escalated it to a sending off, because after the referee bit, Jones apparently went pleading and moaning to the fourth official.
Admittedly that is my take, and others might have a clearer idea about what happened.
This felt very much like a jobsworth decision by the two officials - if they had ignored it no one would have been the wiser, the game would not have been disrupted, the result would not have been affected. Yes they were probably right by the letter of the law but FFS!!5 -
That rubbish was the Sky stream commentary? Some of it was actually painful.killerandflash said:Weird how the Charlton stream had the general EFL/Sky commentary all game.2 -
For anyone who hasn’t seen the red card “offence”
https://x.com/crimp_it/status/1856427699285172540?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
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fenaddick said:For anyone who hasn’t seen the red card “offence”
https://x.com/crimp_it/status/1856427699285172540?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
I can't see how any action we saw there warranted a red card or even a Yellow card ? Surely, only for constant verbals by the Blaenrhodda boy ?*
Edit: Totally wrong it was confirmed by Fleming that it was for encroaching even though it hard to see with the poor quality of vision by the camera.0 -
Why? Some people, whatever the form table says, and in whatever competition they’re playing, like to support their team.se9addick said:I’m absolutely astonished that over 2,000 Charlton fans went to thisI’m quite a fan of this trophy. It’s a chance to see the younger players, you can generally park outside the ground, and you’re home before 9:30.We did stink the place out again though…..6 -
For all that Nathan Jones' reputation might precede him amongst the official's chattering classes, that decision was a level of jobsworthiness that is only matched by Danny Hylton's shithousery expertise.fenaddick said:For anyone who hasn’t seen the red card “offence”
https://x.com/crimp_it/status/1856427699285172540?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw0 -
Nothing to do with "verbals"soapboxsam said:fenaddick said:For anyone who hasn’t seen the red card “offence”
https://x.com/crimp_it/status/1856427699285172540?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
I can't see how any action we saw there warranted a red card or even a Yellow card ? Surely, only for constant verbals by the Blaenrhodda boy ?
The lino has deemed him to have encrouched on to the pitch and played the ball.
Im not a ref but that is clearly, if correct, an offence.
But we gained no advantage from it so perhaps a yellow would have been enough but Fleming has said that the ref said he "had" to send him off.
If that is the rule and the ball was still in play then we can't complain.
But others have said Arteta did similar and got a yellow.0 -
My eyes must be playing me up as well as the poster on here who said he didn't step on to the pitch from his viewpoint 7 rows back.
Can everyone see Nathan step on to the pitch from the video posted? It looks to me he's a step outside his managers area but not over the touchline.
No VAR lines to confirm obviously 🙄
Watching on Sky, some posters didn't realize that Miles Leaburn's goal took a deflection when you saw the posts on CL.
Edit: Just heard Fleming do the after match interview so all about encroachment.2 -
That’s the point refs don’t have common sense, that’s why they become refs in the first place.Todds_right_hook said:
Just seen the replay and was going to say the same. It’s not like he broke up a Bromley attack or kept the ball to prevent a quick counter. The ball was either out nearly out, not a single player near him. This is where refs need to have brains and not be robots.oohaahmortimer said:I’ve only seen it once
no one was anywhere near the ball which was going to bounce out of play and probably in to the crowd he stepped out of his technical area one foot and controlled it and left it there prolly on the line or partially over the line at most if at all , genuinely speeding the game up , no one complained ,seemed really nit picky if it was for that .
im wondering if jones than mouthed back after his telling off1
