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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Other than "Can't keep changing managers" which I half agree with.
I can't think of 5 reasons to keep him? - let's be honest it hasn't worked out.7 -
Is ex Coventry Mark Robins still without a club?0
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Well I don’t think Danny Hilton and Dan Potts had to politely decline too many L1 clubs fighting for their services…Chunes said:
I think that's dismissing a logical conclusion supported by evidence in favour of pure conjecture. If there's actual evidence that money was the main factor in them rejoining Jones, I'd be open to believing it.ElfsborgAddick said:
Money talks.Chunes said:Seeing as so many of his former players were happy to rejoin him, I can only conclude NJ can't be that difficult to work with.5 -
Yes but why would he come here after getting Coventry to a play off final? He can sit on his hands for a few months and pick up another Championship gig whenever he chooses.Starinnaddick said:Is ex Coventry Mark Robins still without a club?5 -
Bound to be plenty of championship opportunities that Robins can take before the end of the season. Someone will panic when they aren't around the playoffs0
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It’s not like they grow on trees. Looking at the track record of our current decision makers, they’d pick the young coach who fails dismally and actually takes us down to League 2.paulsturgess said:
I haven’t missed the point. To answer his question, I’m expecting we get a carefully selected high quality young coach with potential to grow along the lines of McKenna or Buckingham. Instead we have gone for successive incredibly lazy appointments.fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.Callum seems to be defending Jones and/or the board because we have him (and had Appleton) after “trying” to get Buckingham and Challinor. Buckingham went to Oxford ?! That is not an acceptable excuse to then appoint Appleton, or Jones (who by the way, I imagine cost a fair bit more than Buckingham did).1 -
Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.7 -
Southampton got promoted last season, winning the play-offsCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.14 -
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.0 - Sponsored links:
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Well I feel better about the whole thing now.Scoham said:
Jones in.9 -
Personally i dont see much reason to getting rid of him at the current time, as many have pointed out, reasonably who are we going to get in and what do we expect to happen between now and the end of the season. We are in an odd position at the moment as is a lot of the mid table teams, not far from playoffs and not far from relegation.
If we agree it hasn't worked out as we all thought it might at start of the season (and I think we all do) we may as well let him see out the season as long as we aren't in a relegation fight, then part ways at the end. Who knows maybe we turn a corner win 4 or 5 on the bounce and we are back in with a shout of playoffs ? (unlikely i know but still possible).
At the start of the season i thought we looked a solid if not exciting team and thought we had a shout but definitely saw the foundation blocks of a team that could get us promoted in another season or two, and yes i know we have a certain tranche of the fanbase who expects immediate promotion but back on planet earth we have to accept we don't have a god given right to success because we used to be in the Premier League the better part of 20 years ago.
I'm not one for the injury excuses as he has been backed more than most managers and Holden was sacked with just as bad injury crisis. This all said if we lose the next 2 or 3 we will be right down there and the panic button may have to be pressed, especially if the players have turned against him.1 -
I don't think we'll ever see him back in the home dugout at The Valley, he was royally screwed over and that's damaging even when ownership has changedCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.2 -
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?
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The whole of the senior management team.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
The sooner the American Billionaires who own us replace them with competent people the sooner we can progress as a club.
I've said it before and I'll say it again we will not get promoted with Methven, Scott and the rest of the gang in charge.5 -
Might not be the worst thing? He's got a bit of a knack for beating MK Dons atm, and he's a lovely bloke, but their fans are frustrated currently about the same mistakes being repeated from seasons past.fenaddick said:
I don't think we'll ever see him back in the home dugout at The Valley, he was royally screwed over and that's damaging even when ownership has changedCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.
I don't think there's a single ex- Charlton manager I'd want us to go back for, unless it was Curbs, but that's just more so out of curiosity rather than practicality1 -
So incompetent and poor performers but no leeches.Braziliance said:
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?3 -
And where did that get them? Back to the position they were in when Nathan Jones was manager!IR94 said:
Southampton got promoted last season, winning the play-offsCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.
4 points from 12 games… nailed on for relegation already… NJ would’ve been sacked by now…5 -
While that might be true his erraticism and need for mega buy in doesn't help him. He doesn't come across as uber likeable a lot of the time which will turn off supporters and boards. He's someone who needs a lot of trust but in football more than anywhere, trust needs to be earnedCallumcafc said:
And where did that get them? Back to the position they were in when Nathan Jones was manager!IR94 said:
Southampton got promoted last season, winning the play-offsCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.
4 points from 12 games… nailed on for relegation already… NJ would’ve been sacked by now…2 -
Well, a leech by definition is 'a person who takes advantage of others for their own benefit, often without giving anything in return'.ShootersHillGuru said:
So incompetent and poor performers but no leeches.Braziliance said:
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?
I'd say if you're telling fans that we have a top budget, are wanting promotion and fans can expect to see a team to be proud of, while being paid to do so, as we sit 14th being a pile of s**t, it's fair enough to call those people making these statements leeches.
You can be pedantic, but that's what they are to me until I see our club look like one to be proud of again.3 - Sponsored links:
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Braziliance said:
Well, a leech by definition is 'a person who takes advantage of others for their own benefit, often without giving anything in return'.ShootersHillGuru said:
So incompetent and poor performers but no leeches.Braziliance said:
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?
I'd say if you're telling fans that we have a top budget, are wanting promotion and fans can expect to see a team to be proud of, while being paid to do so, as we sit 14th being a pile of s**t, it's fair enough to call those people making these statements leeches.
You can be pedantic, but that's what they are to me until I see our club look like one to be proud of again.
Methven, Scott and Rodwell are all total chancers. They can do a good interview though, and that alone wins over half the fanbase.
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Absolutely true and very reasonable assessment. He doesn’t help himself but he’s ours right now and we need to stick with him until a time where things become untenable.fenaddick said:
While that might be true his erraticism and need for mega buy in doesn't help him. He doesn't come across as uber likeable a lot of the time which will turn off supporters and boards. He's someone who needs a lot of trust but in football more than anywhere, trust needs to be earnedCallumcafc said:
And where did that get them? Back to the position they were in when Nathan Jones was manager!IR94 said:
Southampton got promoted last season, winning the play-offsCallumcafc said:Neither Stoke or Southampton have gone on to have any kind of success after he left them. Stoke are still a middling Championship club that occasionally flirt with relegation and Southampton are still a poor Premier League team destined for relegation.
This is the first time Jones had faced a period of adversity lower than the second tier of English football.
Surely we can’t simultaneously be saying the only reason his ex players joined is for a big paycheck while also not having enough money to convince a Des Buckingham to join us.We have a decent but not outrageous budget for the level - managers see our club as having to a do a job with one hand tied behind their back and ultimately a risk to their long term prospects in management. That’s why you end up with blokes in last chance saloon like Appleton, or absolute nutcases like Jones.
The only young coach that will take the role right now is someone with an irrational affinity to the club or someone who’s completely unqualified. I’m not even convinced Jacko would come back at this moment in time.
4 points from 12 games… nailed on for relegation already… NJ would’ve been sacked by now…
Right now is IMO not that time.1 -
My bro has got to go. Awful manager0
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Think if NJ was to go then I feel Leam Richardson is worth a look if he fancied it.
Anyone else people can think of?
Lets try and not put any ex-Charlton in there
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If you know what you are doing as a manager And Jones' record suggests he does, you can still get it wrong. But I would suggest it may be better the manager who gets it wrong can have a better idea why things are wrong and not throw the baby out with the dishwasher. It is true that it can go the other way where they lose their way and often the players but it feels that hasn't happened and we might as well back Jones rather than continue a cycle that we know hasn't been working. Sometimes it can be one or two players that transform the whole balance of the side.1
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Potts and Hylton came in when it was unlikely we were getting anybody else. Not sure why so many are fixated on this.5
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Far too may supporters are quick to praise anything our previous owners/SMT/current SMT based on interviews not based on what they are seeing.Croydon said:Braziliance said:
Well, a leech by definition is 'a person who takes advantage of others for their own benefit, often without giving anything in return'.ShootersHillGuru said:
So incompetent and poor performers but no leeches.Braziliance said:
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?
I'd say if you're telling fans that we have a top budget, are wanting promotion and fans can expect to see a team to be proud of, while being paid to do so, as we sit 14th being a pile of s**t, it's fair enough to call those people making these statements leeches.
You can be pedantic, but that's what they are to me until I see our club look like one to be proud of again.
Methven, Scott and Rodwell are all total chancers. They can do a good interview though, and that alone wins over half the fanbase.3 -
The same with Jones, because he gets a bit angry and shows some pashun it means he’s a right lad and doesn’t deserve any criticismCroydon said:Braziliance said:
Well, a leech by definition is 'a person who takes advantage of others for their own benefit, often without giving anything in return'.ShootersHillGuru said:
So incompetent and poor performers but no leeches.Braziliance said:
Well that's one of the problems, where do you start when there's so much to be accounted for over the years.ShootersHillGuru said:
To be honest I think “leeches everywhere in the club” is actually totally wrong. Please can you tell me who or at least where these parasitic worms are sucking the blood out of the club.Braziliance said:
Nothing, we are s**t and have leeches everywhere in the club.fenaddick said:
But that's my point, what's changed? What manager would come in now to what appears to be a poisoned chalice?Braziliance said:
To be fair, why would any of those leave their clubs at the time?fenaddick said:
Think you've missed the point of Callum's post. We DID do that and we got rejected by at least three names (including Ferguson who really knows how to get out of this league) and ended up with Jones because he was the best option left. What has changed to make that any different now?paulsturgess said:
This question is exactly the sort of incredibly lazy and inept coach-selection that is why we are where we are!! Honestly mate I do not know what planet you are on.Callumcafc said:Before we got Appleton in, weren’t we rejected by Des Buckingham and Dave Challinor?
Who do people think will take this job on that’s any more likely to be successful than a bloke who already took a team from bottom half of League 2 to top six of the Championship?
"this guy got somebody promoted from this division once, let's get him"
How about you expect the board of a football club to do some slightly more involved selection process, considering, for example:
- somebody's overall career achievements (i.e. 1 successful job, 2 catastrophic failures);
- their personality;
- their coaching and playing style;
- their man management ability;
- their press / fan engagement ability;
- many other nuanced details that wouldn't be evident to us as fans.
And then make a selection. How do you think Ipswich chose Kieran Mckenna? It wasn't because he had previously got somebody promoted from this division.
Peterborough are a much better ran club and been better than us at football in the last decade for around 8 of those years. He also probably has a good relationship with the owner, despite the dismissals.
Stockport are on the up, Challinor probably didn't want to leave a club where he's really built something, especially to a bang average team like us.
And Buckingham probably knew that if he was patient, a better run club who are better at football would come along and swoop him up.
Peterborough, Oxford and Stockport, all better run clubs than us, all far better at football. It is what it is.
I don't believe there's a single person left who has faith in Nathan Jones based on the football we are seeing, it's solely because of his Luton times.
I was mainly saying there's no harm in getting rejected by those managers, as they had better hands on them at the time.
Based on what I've seen so far, I refuse to believe that out of two hundred thousand qualified football coaches, that not one of them could serve up better football. It's lazy by the owners and people making the big decisions to think otherwise.
Same as the players, signing absolute horses**t season after season. Where are the people in house with football knowledge. It's a joke.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint Appleton, whoever sanctions the woeful signings we make for starters. Some of these players are leeches, but that's nothing new we have had that issue for going on 15 years.
Whoever gave the go ahead for bloody half and half Wrexham scarves.
To answer your question with another question, could you honestly state a bunch of positives around the club right now? Like who are the positive figures who can make a genuine impact for this club in the mid-term future.
Of course there will be good people in the club, but as far as the people in the positions who can actually have an influence on the direction of this club, where are the positives? Who do you think is a valuable asset to us?
I'd say if you're telling fans that we have a top budget, are wanting promotion and fans can expect to see a team to be proud of, while being paid to do so, as we sit 14th being a pile of s**t, it's fair enough to call those people making these statements leeches.
You can be pedantic, but that's what they are to me until I see our club look like one to be proud of again.
Methven, Scott and Rodwell are in total chancers. They can do a good interview though, and that alone wins over half the fanbase.2 -
Not read a single post I align with suggesting Jones job shouldn’t be jeopardy, The only reason I see given is down to ‘we can’t keep changing managers’.Talk of needing 3 transfer windows etc is just not modern day lower league football, where large turnovers are the norm.Jones simply doesn’t deserve that time. He arrived in Feb having been actively looking for Champ / L1 work for a few months. So he’s not come in cold from overseas. had a long run of monitoring these levels.Going into the summer he had months to assess the capabilities, strengths and weaknesses of all individuals in our squad, and a first hand working knowledge of L1 and what is required to be successful. He was given a budget better than most. I was convinced we were going to have a successful season as I thought we were months ahead of the curve with our planning and resources.What’s been compiled has been a disaster.There’s clear squad balance things that need to be readdressed in January. Would you trust Jones further to bring in more of ‘his’ players?I wouldn’t on what I’ve seen. He needs results desperately over the next few weeks otherwise I think an early decision needs to be made before the Jan window.We all wanted him to succeed and I suspect we all still do. But there needs to be some big improvement soon otherwise we are in for another damaging 2nd half of season nothingness and even further away from making NEXT season successful.40
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I'd like to know what our scouting network is like and who suggests players to the club.
It surely cannot be solely down to Scott, and now Jones.3
