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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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You don't save money if you have a s/t.2
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Under normal circumstances I would normally agree with you here mate but in this situation I cant. No Manager of any club ever gets the backing of all supporters as you cannot please all of the people all of the time. However with the total tosh that this bloke is serving up week after week is just not forgivable. We support CAFC not expecting to win every week but we should and can demand a certain level of performance even in defeat. Its fine you saying dont watch if you dont like it but it isnt that simple is it ? I'm already dreading tomorrow as unless he has had some kind of revelation I know exactly what style of play we will see tomorrow but I will still unfortunately watch it because I love this club. Who knows we might scrape a 1-0 victory if a defender makes an error under one of our hopeful hoofs forward, will I enjoy the win yes ofcourse ! will I enjoy the game ? no I wont.KingKinsella said:I'd like to call a truce on Nathan Jones and his role at CAFC. We need to support the team and management or at worse passively and respectfully accept our fate. I'm not joking.
I've posted a lot about the fact I wasn't keen on NJ from the start, and he seems very brittle and unable to take any comment that seems challenging.
Decisions are bizarre (this could be the result of pressure of our indifferent position in the league and unattractive football)
The squad seems weirdly unbalanced and done on the cheap despite a massive budget. What really did he have to spend in the summer?
Steve Brown at Bromley Addicks said the owners seem to have the long term interests of the club at heart. He said we've had some bad owners but this current group appear better.
NJ has a 4 year contract.
Let's give NJ abit of space / slack and let him do his best.
Don't boo the team or NJ. It only makes them worse not better.
With only 4 points between us and the drop we need to get behind the team.
If you really dislike the performances- you don't have to watch. Do something else, save money and your mental health.
Maybe we have to ignore the hype (which NJ contributed to), ignore the first 3 wins (fools gold) and recognise that we are not very good and the team needs support to get over the line.3 -
I'm pretty sure in the 70s and early 80s apart from the odd chant of "glikstein out"that is what we did week in and week out .0
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If he turns things around we will all support him. We can't accept performances like Tuesday. Surely we can't but if we win on Saturday he will turn the dial down. It is up to him to keep turning it down and not unreasonably, performances this season have been turning it up. In terms of a truce, it is for Jones to earn it.1
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I can’t be sure whether Jones is totally delusional in claiming that we’re not far off being a very good side or whether he’s insulting our intelligence by constantly prattling on about “fine margins” and the like. I suspect it’s a combination of the two. Whatever the explanation, it’s a lamentable state of affairs and the ‘football’ being served up is the worst I’ve seen from a Charlton side in 55 years.
i thought that Jones would see out the season if we weren’t dragged into a relegation dogfight but, given the way things are going, I suspect he’ll be gone before that.
if the U.S. owners decide on a total overhaul, I expect that Scott and Rodwell will be accompanying Jones out the door. The former has saddled us with a multitude of sub-standard players, whilst the latter appears totally surplus to requirements, given that Methven has installed himself as CEO. What does Rodwell do all day and how did Peter Varney run a much larger enterprise so effectively ?3 -
I was a big fan of Nathan Jones appointment but I hold my hands up & admit I was wrong.
The football is dire, there appears to be no plan A let alone a plan B & now the fans are turning against him. I think his days are numbered6 -
Keep Nathan Jones out of SE7bromleyjohn said:Keep Nathan Jones1 -
You can always rely on the SMT'S at Charlton to get the manager appointment totally wrong. I give you, Dowie, Reed, Pardew, Slade, Peters, Fraeye, Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton..... and last but not least Jones!!. What a clusterfuck of a club we are!!
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On a positive note, we do have one of the best footgolf teams in the country.
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Jones is "our most expensive appointment" meaning the current owners.DubaiCAFC said:
The fans wanted Jones - SMT also wanted him, that is correct, but from what has happened since the appointment is on Jones, he has been given everything he wanted. Yes, he might have missed out on some targets, but that will always happen... Apart from Dixon signing, every single signing has been 100% his choice. I was told when we appointed Jones, he is our most expensive appointment, if that is salary, clauses, bonus or whatever it is, he is getting paid a fortune at Charlton.JohnnyH2 said:
The SMT appointed Jones, there was no supporters choice that made the decision.DubaiCAFC said:
To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..Uboat said:
Never the owners fault. We get it.DubaiCAFC said:We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up.Piss poor! Fuming
it was better under Appleton.We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.
As CM was only delighted to tell us all when things were going well under Jones, he was the SMT choice before Appleton
There are certain fans, whatever this ownership does, will always be anti them... But from what I have seen, they have made a lot of positive moves around the club, and from the outset, they said they wouldn't just buy their way through the leagues!! Jones has let them down badly so far, and will continue to do so, unless he changes his stubborn ways..
I really want it to work for Jones, but his style of play is woeful.
I don't doubt he costs more than Holden and Appleton.0 -
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If I wanted to save money and think of my mental health by turning my back on Charlton I would have stopped supporting them years ago.KingKinsella said:I'd like to call a truce on Nathan Jones and his role at CAFC. We need to support the team and management or at worse passively and respectfully accept our fate. I'm not joking.
I've posted a lot about the fact I wasn't keen on NJ from the start, and he seems very brittle and unable to take any comment that seems challenging.
Decisions are bizarre (this could be the result of pressure of our indifferent position in the league and unattractive football)
The squad seems weirdly unbalanced and done on the cheap despite a massive budget. What really did he have to spend in the summer?
Steve Brown at Bromley Addicks said the owners seem to have the long term interests of the club at heart. He said we've had some bad owners but this current group appear better.
NJ has a 4 year contract.
Let's give NJ abit of space / slack and let him do his best.
Don't boo the team or NJ. It only makes them worse not better.
With only 4 points between us and the drop we need to get behind the team.
If you really dislike the performances- you don't have to watch. Do something else, save money and your mental health.
Maybe we have to ignore the hype (which NJ contributed to), ignore the first 3 wins (fools gold) and recognise that we are not very good and the team needs support to get over the line.
I have been supporting the club I love for over 55 years and have no intention of “doing something else”
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You don't recall the flak Andy Nelson got and him calling the fans village idiots?timken said:I'm pretty sure in the 70s and early 80s apart from the odd chant of "glikstein out"that is what we did week in and week out .0 -
Same.Gravesend_Addick said:I was a big fan of Nathan Jones appointment but I hold my hands up & admit I was wrong.
Sadly the signs were all there from Stoke/Southampton but I felt as we were in more of a Luton situation than those two that it made sense.6 -
I do wonder if Jones' style just doesn't work in the EFL anymore. I had a look at his previous seasons because I remember games where Luton were beating people 8-0 and 7-1 but I was surprised how far back I had to go to find them. I know he tightened up his style after Stoke but it does feel a bit like his method of pure athleticism and power dominating middling players who are prone to panic on the ball and make poor decisions might be in the past now. Every team presses now, every team knows about cutting angles, press triggers and the need to play over or round a press at times, even at the basement levels. I don't think Jones has adapted to that and now we're seeing the more agricultural teams who could previously be blown away by an aggressive, fast press in the final third are just sitting and waiting and putting the onus on the opposition to come at them and negating our strength. I don't think Jones suits being at a team who are supposed to win all the time.The only teams we've looked really good against are Bolton and Birmingham, because they demanded the ball, insisted on playing out and could be picked off by targeting certain players. We punished Santos' distribution and stopped Paik and Iwata from dictating the play. We can't do that against the poorer teams who will let us have the ball because they know we're so weak on it and they don't bother messing about with it deep in their half because they know that's 100% of our chance creation. Instead we have to lump it forward into that area and hope that either we miraculously win it or they take control of the ball and do something daft. Jones is a bit of an underdog manager who can give big teams a black eye and I don't think he knows how to actually take control of a game when increasingly technical EFL players aren't terrified into constant errors by a high press. He changes formation and shape quite readily but I think he needs to tweak the whole philosophy. Press and counter-press are for certain situations and outside of that there needs to be more patterns of play and chance development that isn't just 'if they won't play the ball in their final third we'll make them'. I worry, because he needs to see and accept that and then figure out what to do about it, which is quite a tall order for a man with limited squad variety and a lot of faith in his own methods12
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Hello, Mr. Manager
- Hello, Mr. Scott.
Are you interested in the Charlton job?
- Possibly. What's the layout of the squad?
Well... We've got two 2nd choice goalkeepers, two left-backs, three right-backs and six centre-backs.
In the middle, we've got one attacking mid, one central mid and four defensive mids.
And to finish off, we've got one winger and seven strikers.
- *Line goes dead*
Hello...?3 -
I stand corrected. Was calling for Jones out, but can't possibly after that breathless display of exciting, attacking football, that will leave not only league one quaking, but the Championship as well. Genius.7
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as i have said before quite how someone so emotional and fired up can set his teams up to be so beige and boring is one of life’s mysteries9
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Get rid of this tosser now, end of debate.8
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Jones won’t take us anywhere without us uncovering a few gems who can run the midfield and sort out the attacking play on their own, as it’s not coming from his coaching.I can see how he’s tightened us up defensively (well, not tonight, with Orient’s 25 shots), but he’s been here the best part of the year and we show nothing on the pitch with the ball and in attack. So many poor touches, decisions, no genuinely effective attacking partnerships, well rehearsed attacking moves etc.
We play like we’re an underdog. Even clubs with small budgets look after the ball better and are braver in possession. Front footed he says.
It won’t take us up and neither is it the style of play to bring through academy players to develop and sell on. So, what’s the plan?10 -
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Right there with ya know…was up for giving him chance after fuckin chance,but that’s it now…fuck him he must go…surely can not be any worse,we are literally stuck with his players & he will have left us rotten to the core,but there must be someone out there who can get these feeble excuse’s of footballers to pass a ball to each other..Hartleypete said:Get rid of this tosser now, end of debate.4 -
He has come in and stripped all creativity from the side in favour of “hard-working” and “industrious” players. Players who have since put in gutless and pathetic performances week in week out. Just fuck him off now.19
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Get rid of NJ now.2
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Luton fan at my running club reckoned Edwards would go if they lose to Stoke tonight. Told him I'd give Jones a piggy back to Kenilworth Road. Bloke said he'd want him back!
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Another poor display on Saturday and surely that's his lot.0
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We've seen enough. Get rid of him now.9
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He was getting the bird off a few fans at the end1
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Just do it now.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Another poor display on Saturday and surely that's his lot.3 -
He’s got to go. Anyone still trotting out the “we can’t keep sacking managers” or “who else can we attract” lines is as deluded as Jones.20
