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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • cafc999 said:
    What formation was we meant to be playing last night?

    It’s hard to tell . I think it was a 4-3-1-2 to start with but god knows what it was by the end ? 
  • A real question what will it take to get rid of him ? If the board are starting to question him surely theres no point hanging around now.

    More so than poor results, the team has zero philosophy on how they want to play. I truly believe he wants out now but wont walk away form the money. He makes illogical decisions I think in sometimes out of spite as he still see's himself as that innovative young coach who was heralded and its almost like he cant make changes as that would be conceding to the fans and he knows better.

    Ok injuries but were they any worse than what holden had before we sacked him ? No and it was him who decided Ness wasnt good enough to be a squad player but somehow players like Potts who is (and we all knew) perennially injured. £1m on Ahadme is crazy and whilst i dont blame Jones fully for Alfie leaving (and feel most of the reason Alfie wanted to go for cash and family reasons) he made it easy for Alfie to want to leave.

    Honestly get rid now and lets go back to Jacko (if he will take us) or even Chris Powell. Men of character  and intelligence and no ego.
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Uboat said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up. 
    Piss poor! Fuming 
    Never the owners fault. We get it. 
    To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..

    it was better under Appleton. 

    We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.

    I am assuming that this is what you have been told, by Methven? and not what you know.  I would argue strongly that Jones is not being paid anywhere near what Curbishley was, I would guess that Curbishley was getting paid (and deservedly so)20k a week.
  • J BLOCK said:
    Even if you overlook the worst football I’ve seen in 20 years, just look at the players he’s brought in this summer. We’ve had a top 4 budget and it’s as bad as it’s ever been recruitment wise, for that alone it’s a sackable offence.

    I’ve been jones in, but tonight I am on the brink. A new low in our dog shit recent history’s.
    The top 4/6 budget they have continued to spin, does this include paying salaries for players still not with us etc?  Also, I'm assuming it includes wages.
    They have not appeared to push the boat out transfer wise, May's transfer fee has gone a big way to the new players coming in.
    If Jones goes then Scott has to as well, at the minimum.

  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Uboat said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up. 
    Piss poor! Fuming 
    Never the owners fault. We get it. 
    To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..

    it was better under Appleton. 

    We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.

    I am assuming that this is what you have been told, by Methven? and not what you know.  I would argue strongly that Jones is not being paid anywhere near what Curbishley was, I would guess that Curbishley was getting paid (and deservedly so)20k a week.

    This - I heard that Curbs was on £1m a year with us in the Prem. No way Jones is anywhere near that.
  • buckshee said:
    I’ve felt recently that it’s like he’s trying to get himself the sack with his comments about the fans and his selections. Continuing to play Alan Campbell when he’s nowhere near the standards we should be expecting is baffling. 

    It's a common thing, Slade and Appleton did it.  When this happens perhaps the owners need to be looked at and not just the managers.
  • redbuttle said:
    Just go Nathan and take Scott , Methven , Elliott and Rodwell with you....

    This is what the Americans need to do, certainly get rid of the latter three for a start.
  • bobmunro said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Uboat said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up. 
    Piss poor! Fuming 
    Never the owners fault. We get it. 
    To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..

    it was better under Appleton. 

    We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.

    I am assuming that this is what you have been told, by Methven? and not what you know.  I would argue strongly that Jones is not being paid anywhere near what Curbishley was, I would guess that Curbishley was getting paid (and deservedly so)20k a week.

    This - I heard that Curbs was on £1m a year with us in the Prem. No way Jones is anywhere near that.

    A certain poster on here will believe any old rubbish he's told to support these clowns.
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  • bobmunro said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Uboat said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up. 
    Piss poor! Fuming 
    Never the owners fault. We get it. 
    To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..

    it was better under Appleton. 

    We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.

    I am assuming that this is what you have been told, by Methven? and not what you know.  I would argue strongly that Jones is not being paid anywhere near what Curbishley was, I would guess that Curbishley was getting paid (and deservedly so)20k a week.

    This - I heard that Curbs was on £1m a year with us in the Prem. No way Jones is anywhere near that.

    Dowie and Pardew would probably have been on more than Jones as well.  Particularly Pardew.
  • edited December 4
    He’s lost the bulk of the fans now. That’s the beginning of the end unless by some miracle suddenly turn things on their head. Can you see it ? Having said that I think unless we go on a full on relegation run he’ll get next season, which means he’ll control the summer. I really thought and wanted NJ to work and had hopes he could be the next Curbs we’ve all wanted but it’s clear he’s not going to be. My preference would be to get rid now but I don’t think it’ll happen. 
  • fenaddick said:
    Can’t comment on today as didn’t see but losing faith in Jones but even less faith in Scott to adequately replace him. If you’re going to sack one you have to sack both 
    I’m not really sure that Methven and Scott wanted Jones but it was pushed through by the owners as first preference. 
  • Had a browse of a Luton forum and found this interesting:

    So what will tomorrow bring? Will this be the last time Edwards picks a team?What will his formation be...does he know?
    When Nathan Jones came to Luton with his ' diamond' he stuck with it,through hell and high water until the players got it, and it worked. Has Edwards got that inner belief, indeed has he got any belief?
    It's hard to see light at the end of this particular tunnel when there's not one there.

    It felt like this was what we were doing with the 5-3-2 at the start of the season but then that was scrapped. Now you could switch their issues with Edwards about ours with NJ. 
  • cafc999 said:
    What formation was we meant to be playing last night?

    The tried and tested junior school playground formation where somebody kicks the ball anywhere, preferably where nobody on their own team is likely to be and everyone runs after it. Sadly the boys in the other team didn’t join in.
    It sounds crazy, but that is basically the limit of his tactics.
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  • DubaiCAFC said:
    Uboat said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We have hardly had a chance.. just lumping it. It is a disgrace. And all down to Jones and the way the team is set up. 
    Piss poor! Fuming 
    Never the owners fault. We get it. 
    To be honest, how can you blame them for the style and the piss poor football.. Jones was the fans choice, he is the highest paid manager in Charlton’s history. He got backed in the summer, he got what he wanted..

    it was better under Appleton. 

    We need outside the box appointment, and give them time.. Jones isn’t the answer for moving this club forward.
    I’m sorry, it’s not just Jone’s fault it’s the SMT too, they hired him like they hired the last manager who was a disaster and the one before that. They backed his bizarre player acquisitions as well as Scott driving out our best players, who have since signed for teams at the right end of the table. I know you’re very much ‘thou shalt not criticise the SMT’ but if we want to progress we won’t do it with them in charge. How many chances do they need? I don’t trust them to hire their fourth manager in under two years and decent managers won’t touch us as we’re still a basket case, there’s been zero improvement since Sandgaard, in fact, it’s been worse.

    They started off by replicating what was done at Sunderland, drinking in pubs and mixing with the fans, poor old Holden was thrown in for this.
    Message board stooges were used to puff out info and get fans onside.
    Still fans fall for the rubbish, BUT now we have been bull******* for too long and the s*** will hit the fan(to excuse the expression) soon.
    Well said!
    Jones out!
    Scott out!
    Rodwell out!
    Methven out!
    Absolute clowns.
  • edited December 4
    Once again, Jones approached pisspoor opposition like we’re the underdog. Scrap for possession, constantly lump it anywhere and hope for some kind of luck a from a second ball or a knockdown. 

    “But we had more shots!”


    Said this to my Dad about Saturday as well. Played a league two side like they were the better team and we had to stop them. The commentators even noted how we got in their faces and disrupted them to stop them playing. No mention at all of us then imposing our own playing style on them, though.

    I've said all along I want a manager who accepts us for what we are as a team, right now, and sets about rebuilding us pragmatically by starting at the back and building from there. It looked like that was what we were doing last season but Jones has now taken that to the extreme and we play like we have a huge inferiority complex.

    I don't particularly want to see him sacked, I don't want to change managers for the sake of it, and yes things do take time but there's been no sign of progression and no real sign that there is a coherent plan on how to progress. If we were comfortably in mid-table, then maybe another few months to the end of the season could be the way to go, give it some time. We are mid-table, but it's not comfortable and things are heading in a bad direction and gathering speed. There's some big flaws in this squad that need to be at least partially fixed in January to keep us out of serious bother. Signings made on Jones' watch have not been good, overall (how much of that is him vs. Scott is hard to know), so can we afford to take the risk of giving him another transfer window to sign the wrong players for the wrong system?

    I am struggling to see how he rescues this from here and have no faith, not even blind, that he's the man to lead our January recruitment drive to get out of the shit. Preferabley if he goes Scott will go with him and we can have a fresh team trying to sign the players we need.
  • A real question what will it take to get rid of him ? If the board are starting to question him surely theres no point hanging around now.

    More so than poor results, the team has zero philosophy on how they want to play. I truly believe he wants out now but wont walk away form the money. He makes illogical decisions I think in sometimes out of spite as he still see's himself as that innovative young coach who was heralded and its almost like he cant make changes as that would be conceding to the fans and he knows better.

    Ok injuries but were they any worse than what holden had before we sacked him ? No and it was him who decided Ness wasnt good enough to be a squad player but somehow players like Potts who is (and we all knew) perennially injured. £1m on Ahadme is crazy and whilst i dont blame Jones fully for Alfie leaving (and feel most of the reason Alfie wanted to go for cash and family reasons) he made it easy for Alfie to want to leave.

    Honestly get rid now and lets go back to Jacko (if he will take us) or even Chris Powell. Men of character  and intelligence and no ego.
    If they're going to get rid then they have to do it soon so the new manager has the January window to bring in people he wants.

    No point getting rid of Jones in February and then (for example) hiring a new manager who likes to play with wide players........and he finds out that we don't have any and he's fucked until the summer.
  • It’s not working with jones. But I have no idea who the answer would be. I’m all out of passion for it now 
    Same position here. I've lost almost all interest in Charlton. I tend to work whilst the game streams are on. 

    My kids even said after Saturday's cup win,

    "Why do they never win when we're there?"

    They dread coming to games already, they're 7 and 4. 😭
  • edited December 5
    I don't think it's going to get better now.  I think this is it - if we are lucky we will manage to stay in L1, probably at another ground.  At some point we will drop down to L2, and bounce between the two.
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