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Richard Rufus - jailed for 7.5 years for fraud (p6)
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How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.1
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Absolutely disgraceful, unfortunately people like this can sleep easy at night after they have potentially destroyed other people's lives.
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killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.
It's Charlton - so I assume bread and bitches.
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bobmunro said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.
It's Charlton - so I assume bread and bitches.30 -
I didn't know he'd bought Southeastern.2
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killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.6
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Wait a moment……it sounds to me as if he has had several different offences for which there is a total of 7.5 years.
However, these have very likely been given to run concurrently not consecutively, which means he will only serve around 2.5 years or even less if early parole is granted.
There is a huge difference between consecutive and concurrent sentencing.
The media will “always” give the higher consecutive sentence and “not the true” lower concurrent one as it sounds much more dramatic.
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Lincsaddick said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.Sod giving the benefit of the doubt.Next time you're at The Valley arrange a meeting with Elliott and get him to tell you the crack.Enjoy the weekend mate3
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Covered End said:golfaddick said:Disgraceful. He already got 7 and a half years & now will have to serve another 3 years if he cant cough up the money by March next year. Ludicrous sentencing.
More than people get for rape & manslaughter. Plenty of Irish got released under the GFA when serving life for murder.
Justice........pah !!
He stole £9.3M and it reads like you think he should be allowed to keep the £370K he has left.
You're a great advertisement for financial advisers.0 -
I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.0
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killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.7
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ElfsborgAddick said:Lincsaddick said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.Sod giving the benefit of the doubt.Next time you're at The Valley arrange a meeting with Elliott and get him to tell you the crack.Enjoy the weekend mate0
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Lincsaddick said:ElfsborgAddick said:Lincsaddick said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.Sod giving the benefit of the doubt.Next time you're at The Valley arrange a meeting with Elliott and get him to tell you the crack.Enjoy the weekend mate2
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ElfsborgAddick said:Lincsaddick said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.Sod giving the benefit of the doubt.Next time you're at The Valley arrange a meeting with Elliott and get him to tell you the crack.Enjoy the weekend mate
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stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.14 -
golfaddick said:Disgraceful. He already got 7 and a half years & now will have to serve another 3 years if he cant cough up the money by March next year. Ludicrous sentencing.
More than people get for rape & manslaughter. Plenty of Irish got released under the GFA when serving life for murder.
Justice........pah !!
Btw his benefit figure seems to run well into 7 figures and even if he does come up with the £300k cash now, it can be revisited should it come to light he has squirreled more away later. Or even should he buy a winning lottery ticket when he comes out of prison. Rightly so.8 -
oohaahmortimer said:ElfsborgAddick said:Lincsaddick said:killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.Sod giving the benefit of the doubt.Next time you're at The Valley arrange a meeting with Elliott and get him to tell you the crack.Enjoy the weekend mate
the one and only person I believe
Of course I do not know how true this is.0 -
Bournemouth Addick said:stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.0 -
Bournemouth Addick said:stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.1 -
stop_shouting said:Bournemouth Addick said:stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.0 - Sponsored links:
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Bournemouth Addick said:golfaddick said:Disgraceful. He already got 7 and a half years & now will have to serve another 3 years if he cant cough up the money by March next year. Ludicrous sentencing.
More than people get for rape & manslaughter. Plenty of Irish got released under the GFA when serving life for murder.
Justice........pah !!
Btw his benefit figure seems to run well into 7 figures and even if he does come up with the £300k cash now, it can be revisited should it come to light he has squirreled it away later. Or even should he buy a winning lottery ticket when he comes out of prison. Rightly so.
IPP was brought in in 2005, and abolished in 2012, but the abolition did not automatically retrospectively alter sentences (so some are still in prison for having committed relatively minor offences). The UN Special Rapporteur for Torture has condemned it recently.
And then, of course, there are the many notorious miscarriages of justice (some of which involved Irish people, but almost all of which, like Stefan Kiszko, involved people who were in some way vulnerable and easily scapegoated by the police and media).
The point with the Rufus situation was that he was offered, in effect, the possibility of a reduced sentence if he could make partial restitution. But he couldn't.
I'm sad for him, because I always held him in high regard as a player and feel that he deserved more recognition than he got, but...4 -
Arsenetatters said:stop_shouting said:Bournemouth Addick said:stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.1 -
golfaddick said:Disgraceful. He already got 7 and a half years & now will have to serve another 3 years if he cant cough up the money by March next year. Ludicrous sentencing.
More than people get for rape & manslaughter. Plenty of Irish got released under the GFA when serving life for murder.
Justice........pah !!4 -
I have already touched upon this.
Do we know if the sentences for each charge were to run consecutively or concurrently?0 -
It seems obvious that the judge saw an obvious discrepancy between his fraudulent proceeds and his declared assets and bank spending. Three extra years seems light to me.1
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Stig said:SoundAsa£ said:I have already touched upon this.
Do we know if the sentences for each charge were to run consecutively or concurrently?
In fairness to the judge, said barrister was a deeply unpleasant little shit. He even refused to say good morning to our silk. Such incivility amongst barristers is very rare. It is after all such a small world.5 -
stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
Luckily for me because I had Done nothing wrong the bank refunded my money.
While I was in the bank sorting it all out the bank employee told me of a retired Vicar who was scammed into transferring 30k into a so called savings plan.
Because he had transferred the money himself he lost the lot.
People who scam others out of large amounts of money deserve everything they get.
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killerandflash said:How did he managed to go through £8.5m? It mentions 200k on flash cars, but that's still a small portion of the money.
This provides a quite brief but good explanation of the situation.
It seems Rufus took in a total of approx £15mn. But it was just a Ponzi scheme. So, according to the CoLP, some £7mn plus made it back to investors, leaving the £8mn shortfall. Of that one assumes much was lost to poor, risky financial gambles (I won't call them investments) with at least a few million making its way into his personal accounts to fund his lavish lifestyle.
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Arsenetatters said:stop_shouting said:Bournemouth Addick said:stop_shouting said:I don’t think anyone is saying that he didn’t deserve time and that his crimes aren’t heinous with no doubt, numerous victims. Just that the time should fit the crime. It does seem an awful lengthy stay at his majesty’s pleasure, especially when you see instances of nonces getting a mere ticking off these days.
A victim of fraud might lose everything they own causing them lifelong hardship, loss of independence, confidence, self worth, their health, relationships, etc. etc.
This is why we have sentancing guidelines and don't let the public decide on what punishment fits the crime. Rufus' crime will be right at the top for the culpablity factor and the financial assessments hence he got an entirely appropriate sentence.
Judges have leeway within the limits set by precedent and statutes when sentencing0