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Unofficial timeouts

Leuth
Leuth Posts: 23,313
in General Charlton
Should they be made official? Should they be banned? Are they fine? Is one per game per team allowable but any more and the keeper gets a yellow? What if the keeper's really injured? I haven't seen a team do the 'keeper injury timeout' more than once in a game, that would be a good test of the ref if they tried it... 
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  • follett
    follett Posts: 1,032
    Saw the ref go over to Whitworth laughing as he knew exactly what he was doing. Can’t have too many complaints given Mannion did the same second half. No idea what the solution is, maybe give managers the chance for one timeout a game?
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,730
    edited February 22
    We can’t go down the route of having official timeouts because they will just be used to time waste and break up momentum for the opposition. We’ve done it and it’s worked thankfully but it didn’t for Exeter today . 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    edited February 22
    Timewasting to ridiculous levels needs to be eradicated from the game.

    Not being able to get to The Valley, a mate offered me a ticket to watch Plymouth Argyle v Cardiff today.

    Cardiff went 1-0 up after only 12 minutes - and from then on, it was incessant fake injuries, theatricals and total shithousery to timewaste and break up the flow of the game every few minutes. The weak referee did nothing to stop it. Ruined the game totally.

    In 60 years of watching League football, I've never before seen anything like it to this extent.

  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,843
    Timeouts? Are people serious?

    Why not go the whole hog and split the game into quarters, have cheerleaders and some bloke on an organ playing goal music?
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    Off_it said:
    Timeouts? Are people serious?

    Why not go the whole hog and split the game into quarters, have cheerleaders and some bloke on an organ Drum playing goal music?

  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 999
    edited February 23
    What's the difference between a timeout and going down for a fake injury oh yeah nothing 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,622
    Players never used to leave the pitch whilst a game was going on. Only started happening in the Covid season when the leagues restarted in June & water breaks were allowed due to the hot weather. Then Thomas Franck brought out his whiteboard & from then on anything goes.

    It should be mandatory that players are not allowed to leave the pitch. If they do they are not allowed back on until at least 30 secs have elapsed from the restart. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    I think it’s fine when we do it but so out of order when the oppo do it how can they get away with it 
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    edited February 23
    Think if keeper goes down the captain has to go off for 30 secs as an outfield player would if injured. 
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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,846
    edited February 23
    This really pisses me off (including when we do it).

    When a goalkeeper goes down (and its always the goalkeeper because they don't have to then leave the pitch) all other players should have to go to the centre circle.

    It would quickly stop happening.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,609
    edited February 23
    It’s great when you need a piss, you know you go and get back to your seat without missing any part of the game.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,033
    Just let the ref use his common sense. If the goalkeeper is obviously faking - as both the Exeter ‘keeper and Mannion were yesterday -  then mandate that they need to be subbed. 

    That would end it and, if the ref makes a mistake once in blue moon and keeper really is injured, the worst that happens is an injured player gets subbed off. 

    I really think the Football League & FA need to prioritise this issue, it’s really ruining the enjoyment of the game.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    shirty5 said:
    Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat 
    I don't think that would be a deterrent, make it a red then probably.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    Off_it said:
    Timeouts? Are people serious?

    Why not go the whole hog and split the game into quarters, have cheerleaders and some bloke on an organ playing goal music?

    https://youtu.be/Gf14BFnznjw?si=p_vUQae6uebVBowg
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,218
    edited February 23
    Talal said:
    shirty5 said:
    Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat 
    I don't think that would be a deterrent, make it a red then probably.
    3 yellows in a season results in a touch line ban. Jones has already been on one of those this season when he had to sit up in the stands away at Barnsley 
  • Stuart_the_Red
    Stuart_the_Red Posts: 1,849
    se9addick said:
    Just let the ref use his common sense. If the goalkeeper is obviously faking - as both the Exeter ‘keeper and Mannion were yesterday -  then mandate that they need to be subbed. 

    That would end it and, if the ref makes a mistake once in blue moon and keeper really is injured, the worst that happens is an injured player gets subbed off. 

    I really think the Football League & FA need to prioritise this issue, it’s really ruining the enjoyment of the game.
    To be fair to Mannion the slow motion showed that there was a high foot to the vicinity of his chest before he went down. However, there was a “time lapse” between the high foot and Mannion going down!
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,484
    shirty5 said:
    Talal said:
    shirty5 said:
    Easy way to stop this would be to show a yellow card to the manager of the keeper who has gone down injured if all of his outfield players have gone over to the dugout for a chat 
    I don't think that would be a deterrent, make it a red then probably.
    3 yellows in a season results in a touch line ban. Jones has already been on one of those this season when he had to sit up in the stands away at Barnsley 
    Ah fair enough  didn't realise that.
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 373
    edited February 23
    golfaddick said:
    Players never used to leave the pitch whilst a game was going on. Only started happening in the Covid season when the leagues restarted in June & water breaks were allowed due to the hot weather. Then Thomas Franck brought out his whiteboard & from then on anything goes.

    It should be mandatory that players are not allowed to leave the pitch. If they do they are not allowed back on until at least 30 secs have elapsed from the restart. 
    This wouldn't help at grounds like The Valley. The manager could stand on the edge of his technical area, the players could still be on the pitch, and they would all be close enough to still communicate.

    At some bigger grounds, yes, it would have some impact, but not at most grounds.
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,452
    Keepers should not be excluded from the 30 second penalty. Simple.
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  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,707
    Immediate fix:
    goalies requiring on pitch ‘treatment’ have to leave the field for 30 seconds post ‘treatment’ same as outfield players 
    unless there’s actual blood or tooth or lens loss
    This pisstake rule bending gamesmanship would stop immediately 
    Yesterday’s timeouts were transparent and it’s ruining the spectacle 
  • JohnnyJoeyDeeDee
    JohnnyJoeyDeeDee Posts: 1,040
    roseandcrown said:
    Think if keeper goes down the captain has to go off for 30 secs as an outfield player would if injured. 
    This is the simplest idea and far easier to manage than trying to herd all other players away from the touch line
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,423
    Tunwellsaddick said:
    Keepers should not be excluded from the 30 second penalty. Simple.
    This.
    I’d bring this in and also a rule similar to the concussion sub where if you have to sub your keeper, the oppo get an additional sub opportunity.

  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    The funniest thing is the keeper and physio then going through the whole routine of bending leg, stretching leg etc.

    I hate it, even when we do it. I think they’ll be a rule change this summer to stop it 
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,353
    Make the teams responsible for the break play for five minutes without their captain,  difficult to police correctly but something is needed. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Said it the other week in one of the match threads; it's one thing the player going along with it and going down, but for physio or even a Doctor in some cases, to kneel down and pretend to treat a made-up injury, is something else.

  • YTS1978
    YTS1978 Posts: 1,701
    Made me laugh yesterday, there was a fella down in front of us losing his shit when their keeper went down. He wasnt so bothered when Mannion did exactly the same thing in the second half though 😂🤣
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    golfaddick said:
    Players never used to leave the pitch whilst a game was going on. Only started happening in the Covid season when the leagues restarted in June & water breaks were allowed due to the hot weather. Then Thomas Franck brought out his whiteboard & from then on anything goes.

    It should be mandatory that players are not allowed to leave the pitch. If they do they are not allowed back on until at least 30 secs have elapsed from the restart. 
    That's going to make throw-ins tricky.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,763
    Tunwellsaddick said:
    Keepers should not be excluded from the 30 second penalty. Simple.
    I think that could be counter productive because, in theory, the keeper's team could nominate someone to go in goal for those 30 seconds and because of that a shirt swap would have to then take place. The ball would then kicked out by that team as soon as 30 seconds are up and there would have to be another shirt swap. That is time that would never be added on because, as we know, it isn't for all stoppages.

    However, I do agree that this has to be stopped. So, I would suggest that an outfield player, nominated by the opposing captain, should spend the same period of time that the keeper was down for (a minimum of 30 seconds) unless the keeper ends up being taken off immediately in which case it is a straight swap. Imagine Alisson going down "injured" today and City nominating Salah or, perhaps, VVD which could be even more detrimental to Liverpool.  

    That said, I do feel that something else needs to be addressed - it seems somewhat unfair on the team that has had a player fouled, and injured as a result, that they are the ones that have to play with 10 players. So I would also keep the player that perpetrated the foul, for the same period of time, off the pitch too.  
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Timeouts should be kept for games played in extreme heat .. time wasting needs to be penalised by DIRECT free kicks, if a keeper is delaying taking (e.g.) goal kicks, the kick should be awarded just outside the penalty area .. issue of course is that one man's time wasting is another's legitimate tactic, unfortunately some change to the laws will be needed to maintain consistency of 'enforcement' 

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